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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 08:48:35
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Men are men the world over!  
Any comparison would be full of stereotyping and personal experience. Not sure how factually correct that can be?
I have found Gambia men to be polite, charming and good fun. They are materialistic. They are also very secretive and dishonest. They are hypocritical about their religion. Doing it for show and what suits them. They think they are superior to women and treat Gambian women badly. 
You see that is my personal experience. You cant generalise that to all Gambians. I have no experience of Turkey or Turkish men to compare with. |
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snuggels
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 11:24:56
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"They think they are superior to women and treat Gambian women"
badly.
The one experience I had of that was late night walking from Senegambia back to Kololi it was during a visit by the president to Senegambia Hotel so lots of milatary along the road.
As I was walking along the road there was a military guy having a heated debate with a young girl. Who I would say was 18 to 25. As I got closure and with no violence from her he took out his baton and started to beat her about the head. I tried to intervene but he also hit me. She collapased to the floor under the rain of blows to the head he then started to kick her with his heavy military boots.
By then other milatary officers along the road stated to arrive and I thought best to get away. I was very very shocked by what I had seen the man was a animal and related this to the management and staff back at the hotel. Thier responce was not of consern and thier attitude was so what. One comment was this is Gambia |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:14:25
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bev
my question was a joke. But it is great you respond it.
snuggeles. I have witness a similar situation. I was at wow, and i see a non-gambian prostitude. She was little drunk. I am not sure why but I think she bumped a gambian boy and they started yelling each other. The girl was very noisy. And the boy pushed her. And she pushed him back. And a few other friends of this boy started pushing her, one even landed big push and she fell. And I knew these guys pretty bad and know the security personal with my bodies I asked them to rescue her. They took the girls and kick out of the wow. It was good for her, but in my opinion they should have kicked out these boys. Later on, i find that out, these boys kinda rich guys. The girl went to tourist police there, she was prostitute. i think, nothing happened. It was very bad witnessing a few guys are beating up a prostitute. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:20:36
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Originally posted by turk
hiz princess
we might have another post for the comparison anaylysis of gambian and turkish decent men. but we need participation from the british ladies.
Hmmmmmm ok Turk I can give you my opinions based on my own personal experiences on both nationality's as I know both countries reasonably well
I Have to say my experience with both are similar I have never been in a relationship with a Gambian man, my relationships are friendships and professional ones . I have found over the past 10 + years that these men have integrity, morals and a kindness that makes me proud to call the my friends and colleagues. I have never been 'ripped off 'conned or even been asked or money or material things etc etc.
Many times I am driven about without the request of payment ,taken out to dinner, have been given a bed for the night (to save excessive travel) while the owner sleeps on the floor .I have had doors opened for me as par of the course as 2nd nature and have been treated exceptional with nothing but respect.Even the beach boys that ive know or sometime are nothing but courteous respectful and the only time money changes hands is in payment for a sun bed or refreshment.
I have heard the horror stories that float about and obviously draw my own conclusions as to why this has happened but I am not Judge or jury
MY experience with Turkish men is no different my best friend from childhood is Turkish and we had the experience of sharing her culture growing up we share an 'Ana'. My children (unlike their mother ) understand Turkish. We visit at least once a year again as with Gambia we tend to stay in a village and have little to do with tourist/tourism so am emersed in the culture not the nonsense. The men in Turkey ,some I have know for over 20 years show the same Integrity AND values as the Gambian men i have met which I assume the similarity may be to do with their religious faiths but I don't know for sure.
On our last visit to Turkey earlier this year we stopped at Bodrum and also Oludeniz and I was saddened to see whats happened. The deteration, in my mind was incredible. It was like the senegambia strip in the height of the season, both places to me are turning into benidorm so sad.
However if I was to have one negative comment on both it would be the sexist attitudes I have come across although in time and with sheer pig -headednessand determination I think we all know where we stand |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:38:00
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well turkish men can be as bad as anyone else. Or there may be good ones. Here is my motto, every ethnicy has bad apples, good apples. In turkey, last year, a italian lady who was travelling to palestine for peace was raped and murdered by a decent family man. There are hundreds of tourists or young turkish women being raped. Just like many other parts of the world.
I was just kidding about the comparison (innuendo that which is the better lover), but thanks for the comparison.
In turkey, most tourist go to agean beaches as there are many nice beaches and historical places. I suggest tourists to go black sea and country side to taste the 'best hospitality' (this is not overstatement as turks have reputation for being best hosts) in the world. But in cities and touristic areas there are many bumpsters.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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black orchid
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:54:42
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hello Hiz princess, you said that quote
"I have heard the horror stories that float about and obviously draw my own conclusions as to why this has happened but I am not Judge or jury"
it would be interesting to hear your opinion as to why you think you were treated with respect, and other people like my husband and I have been treated on some occasions discourteously and "ripped off". |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:56:39
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Originally posted by turk
well turkish men can be as bad as anyone else. Or there may be good ones. Here is my motto, every ethnicy has bad apples, good apples. In turkey, last year, a italian lady who was travelling to palestine for peace was raped and murdered by a decent family man. There are hundreds of tourists or young turkish women being raped. Just like many other parts of the world.
I was just kidding about the comparison (innuendo that which is the better lover), but thanks for the comparison.
In turkey, most tourist go to agean beaches as there are many nice beaches and historical places. I suggest tourists to go black sea and country side to taste the 'best hospitality' (this is not overstatement as turks have reputation for being best hosts) in the world. But in cities and touristic areas there are many bumpsters.
Totally agree there's good and bad in all natonality's .
I was just offering my opinions from my experience.
I was aware that crime has risen especially against women.
I rarely visit the tourist areas in Gambia or Turkey so I see these countries from a different perspective.
If I want to party and enjoy being a tourist I fly to Canada |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 23:00:51
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| canada. I am also canadian. I live in Toronto which is the one of the best cities to visit/live. The only reason i am in australia because of work. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 23:26:08
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Originally posted by turk
canada. I am also canadian. I live in Toronto which is the one of the best cities to visit/live. The only reason i am in australia because of work.
I lived in Vancouver, still have a place there, came back to the UK for many reasons, but get back when I can. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 23:29:08
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Originally posted by black orchid
hello Hiz princess, you said that quote
"I have heard the horror stories that float about and obviously draw my own conclusions as to why this has happened but I am not Judge or jury"
it would be interesting to hear your opinion as to why you think you were treated with respect, and other people like my husband and I have been treated on some occasions discourteously and "ripped off".
Hi black orchid,
Without listing reams of explanations
I think in my case it simply boils down to attitudes and expectation |
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black orchid
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 00:35:02
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 00:38:11
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Originally posted by black orchid
ah thats a shame as it is such an amazingly unexamined statement.
ok ill get back to it and give you my observations and why I think maybe my experiences maybe different to others  |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 08:33:03
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Hiz Princess....
I dont usually get personal, but you are full of yourself!
It must be because you are such a special Princess that you have never had a bad experience with men in Gambia or Turkey.
I have reread your posting and I'm afraid they come across as snobbish in the extreme.
Most people in Uk have 2 weeks abroad a year if they are lucky. Many wont even be able to afford that now. Most people just want to go for a relaxing time in the sun. If they choose Benidorm or similar who are we to judge. Not everyone has friends in remote villages and not everyone wants to 'slum it' on holiday. Many people want a bit of luxury from time to time.
We are all different and thats what makes the world go round.
If Turkey is letting place be spoilt that is a shame and they need to look at their planning rules.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 08:58:07
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gambiabev
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism#Most_visited_countries
as turkey is the 9th most visisted country, you would expect these kind of incidents with large number of visitors. Millions of people compare to the Gambia has only a few hundered tousands.
And here is the good link for gambian tourism info
http://www.wttc.org/bin/pdf/temp/gambia.html
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 11:56:17
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Hiz Princess....
I dont usually get personal, but you are full of yourself!
It must be because you are such a special Princess that you have never had a bad experience with men in Gambia or Turkey.
I have reread your posting and I'm afraid they come across as snobbish in the extreme.
Most people in Uk have 2 weeks abroad a year if they are lucky. Many wont even be able to afford that now. Most people just want to go for a relaxing time in the sun. If they choose Benidorm or similar who are we to judge. Not everyone has friends in remote villages and not everyone wants to 'slum it' on holiday. Many people want a bit of luxury from time to time.
We are all different and thats what makes the world go round.
If Turkey is letting place be spoilt that is a shame and they need to look at their planning rules.
You can get as personal as you want. If my postings bother you don't respond to them, why do you stress yourself ?
As there is no way of telling the inflection behind the font it is easy to put your voice behind the words giving a completely different meaning I can assure you my post was not written either snobby or to come across extreme.
You seem to want to turn this into a 'bev crusade'
Im curious as to why are you so hell bent in making everything such a drama? Why read something into nothing?
If you read my post the opening phrase was..
'Hmmmmmm ok Turk I can give you my opinions based on my own personal experiences on both nationality's as I know both countries reasonably well'
I responded to a question I will not embellish my experience to suit you or anyone. I answered honestly and openly if your experiences are different fine but do not attack me because we do not share the same common ground. Not everyone has negative experiences with men or women why tar everyone with the same narrow minded brush?
I did acknowledge that some people have problems ive spent enough time in the country to see and hear that, I can assure I dont walk round with rose-tinted spectacles, but I judge each person on their own merits not clump people together.
If this makes me full of myself then so be it, I take that as a compliment, as a teacher you should know never to take confidence as arrogance.
I don't do band wagons
The comment about Benidorm was in terms of the build up and I assume you knew exactly what i meant as your comment about planning rules seems to suggest.Please tell me how this makes me judgemental about peoples choice of destination?
Where did I criticise people wanting luxury ??
Why use the term 'slum it' when did I suggest this is what I do?
Yet again you try and make something out of nothing within my post. |
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