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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 16:33:59
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All this while i thought i was the only one fed-up to the back teeth, with crap coming from some online newpapers, but on the whole there are out there respectable Gambians who are fed-up as well.
I would like other online outfits to see the Gainako.com as a benchmark on maturity and professionalism in journalism. The Bantaba is also where the standards are equally high.
Articles from D.A. Jawo a doyen of contemporary Gambian journalism ,Cherno Baba Jallow a prolific writer and Omar Jallow a progressive gambian gentleman further elucidate on this issue.
http://gainako.com/fejango/Issue~229-2008/
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 18:24:08
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BANTABA
"When runaway journalists like Cherno Baba Jallow started making last minute impressions, in a bid to appease the powers that be- it’s worth scrutinizing the purpose and tone of his counter productive presentations. Yes, we call his presentations counterproductive."(FREEDOM NEWSPAPER)
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 19:43:31
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Janko! Those FOOLISH REACTIONS from FREEDOM ON-LINE NEWSPAPER should be IGNORED. I would endorsed that MANY PRESENTATIONS (ESPECIALLY ITS BREAKING NEWS) COMING FROM FREEDOM ON-LINE NEWS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE 
Thanks Madida! Well impressed with Cherno Baba Jallow, Omar Jallow, D.A.Jawo & editorial board (D.Baldeh & Yerro) of Gainako.com on their REACTIONS TO CHALLENGE ALL ON-LINE NEWS & TABLOIDS PROMOTE GOOD JOURNALISM, QUALITY & FACTUAL NEWS; SETTING THE STANDARDS AS PROGRESSIVE GAMBIANS & PRESERVATION OF FOURTH ESTATE. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Apr 2008 : 20:38:42
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Kobo
I am not evaluating but presenting the reaction to the reaction, the whole picture. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 09:35:32
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Brother Kobo and Janko thanks for weighing in. As brother Madiba said, it is time Gambians reclaim what rightly defines us - decency. I believe that the higher the standards the better the product and no single human being can be a good judge for themselves.
We all need outside perspective to see where we are short and where we can learn and improve. There is always room for improvement in whatever one does. So people to call for decency and higher standards is actually a healthy thing in our society.
One thing I need to point out here, where there is a vacuum idle minds or not so standard practice is bound to step in and fill the gap. In the absent of good there is bound to be bad or not so palatable.
This is the same scenario that is infected the government of the Gambia. When Jawara outlived his usefulness to the nation and manage to scare away every potential great successor, the end results is Jammeh and his co taking over the machinery of government.
So when intelligent and responsible people sit on the side and let things handle themselves, this is what happens. If no one cares about what product they read, then people can put out anything they want and it will fit right in.
Honestly for us we accept the challenge and turn right back and challenge each and everyone of you to get involve and demand higher standards. Critique what is put before you and if it doesn't fit taste send your comments to any paper or editorial for publication.
We are what we eat and we all can always do better.
What say you??? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 11:02:06
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if madiba can be silent about the bad editorials and biasness of the daily observer what moral grounds those he or cherno baba hold to tell the online papers what is or what isn't ethical? let's be honest here.
yes, one may disaggree with pa, but what about the issues that no home base newspaper having the courage to publish simple articles taking the monster yahya and his institutions on? what about that? yes, let madiba back chee, many will disaggree with the both of them. when there is true and vibrant democracy, we can talk and discuss about ethical media. for now, let there be news, whatever news, we need it. if one feels the online papers are junk, be my guest. the hypocrcay must stop. how many journalist are reported missing ,do we see madiba saying thing about that? why is the independent news paper still closed ,any idea decent gambian madiba? pa was right to ask what is che doing to balance thinsg out? a once in while critism is not the solution. let him have his ethical and decent news paper, then he can talk of an alternatives. his own alternatives. he should also write an open letter to the director of grts telling him to let the other side have a time on air , the opposition more like. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 13:37:57
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Santafara,
I condemn whenever i feel a wrong has been committed anywhere in the world, moreso in The Gambia. Lies, slander can NEVER be alternative to the Jammeh rule. You may have a small memory but go thru the archives and see for urslef where i have condemned the APRC and the Observer.
I know the truth always hurts. If you are Pa's big time guest that ur right of association. BUt for heavensake dnt tell us to shove his junk down our throats.
If there is a hypocrite here it is you. You were recently caught pants-down on ur bias politriking against PDOIS but you said you were only joking.
The reason that Jammeh has stifled press freedom in the Gambia, does not mean we should be fed with lies, slander instead of credible information. We deserve more than that. True there is void becos most journalist cannot practise under the prevailing hostile conditions back home.
Despite our despeartion for a change of power in The Gambia with a full fledged democracy I SHALL NEVER BE A PARTY TO ANY FORM OF DECEIT. The wolofs say " one should not drink dirty water because of thirst."
Finally if you are a believer moreso a true muslim , you should never be a party to any form of lies no matter your agenda. Becos in Islam we are taught that lying is a MAJOR SIN.
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 18:13:58
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SINCE YOU WISH TO BE NASTY ,LET'S TAKE A RIDE. for a start what alternative media outlet do you have to substitute pa's freedom? how can you insult the whole village and then said ,the alkalo is not among? even the bantaba is an online medium. all that you are doing and has been doing is try to put a wedge between the men in the online media business. that is the number one goal you wish to achieve. secondly, we all know who pa nderry is, but do we know who you are to talk to us about media ethics? when you tell us the authority you have and the person who give you that authority to tell us about pa's unethical journalism ,then one can take you seriously. the few instances you mention jammeh were always with very heavy heart. you cannot hide behind those passing comments. yesterday was the comemoration of the student killing ,what did you say to that? instead of focusing on the serious issues at hand ,you keep on looking for socall madia unethicality. tell me even in britain that you live news papers don't make mistakes and appologise or even pay compensation to ordinary people? that mistakes doesn't make any media outlet unethical. or since your pants are up ,then venture into mile two prison and tell us how many political prisoners we have down there? please do that for us. that alone will help in a long way. be a true investicative journalist for us madiba.
the media blackout that your love one yahya is presiding over ,what say you on those? pa will continue to expose yahya come day or night and you can hide behind your madiba ghost name to tell him what to do. when your love one stop messing with gambians ,then pa will stop diging up his mess.
as for pdois ,yes ,i don't support the party ,you want make that an issue, be my guest.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
Edited by - Santanfara on 12 Apr 2008 18:18:13 |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 18:48:03
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cutesy of Gainako at http://gainako.com/fejango/Issue~229-2008/
D A Jawo's comments
........................A Reaction To
Cherno Baba's Observations
...................................By D. A. Jawo.......................April 10th, 2008
I wish to refer to Cherno Baba Jallow's piece; "When Journalism is the Enemy", which dealt with the unfortunate falling standards of Gambian journalism, and I tend to agree with most of the observations he advanced.
Of course, the onslaught unleashed on the Gambian media since the advent of the AFPRC/APRC administration has no doubt contributed quite a lot to these falling standards. The very fact that there are now more Gambian journalists outside the country than inside is an indication that the atmosphere is far from congenial. Therefore, a majority of those who still remain in the country are compelled to practice self-censorship in order to survive.
That has no doubt contributed greatly to the fall in standards as many issues are either not reported or they are just scratched on the surface, for fear of offending those in power and being exposed to the hungry mosquitoes at the GPMB or even an encounter with "Hell Manager". In fact, the private radio stations seem to have solved the problem by completely steering away from anything political and instead only talking about sports and other "safe" issues.
Therefore, as Gambians are not getting the full dose of information that they require from the local media, they are compelled to turn to the online newspapers and other internet discussions forums for it. We live in the internet age and as such, no amount of repression can prevent people from getting access to information about anything. In fact, any attempt by any government to control the type of information its people get, would be counter-productive as the people would be compelled to seek that information from less credible sources. I have no doubt that if the regime had allowed full freedom to journalists to do their work as well as allow the GRTS to broadcast undiluted news and information, including giving access to divergent views and opinions, like is being done in other countries, most of the online newspapers would have folded up a long time ago, because hardly anyone would have visited them.
However, like Cherno Baba said, the standard of journalism in most of these journals leaves quite a lot to be desired. I sometimes feel very much perturbed by some of the things I read from them. Of course, being away in Almighty United States, the beacon of free speech and democracy, they can say anything and no one would ever make them disappear like Chief Manneh or shoot them to death like Deyda Hydara, but as professionals, we certainly owe it to our readers and the profession to get our facts right before we write. There is absolutely no justification in bulking together news and opinion as I have observed in some of the things I read in the online papers. It is not right to present unsubstantiated rumours as hard facts as I see in some of the items being published. It is always our duty as journalists to verify such rumours before publishing them.
Of course, it is perfectly okay for people to write their opinions about anything, but when it comes to writing news, our opinions should be completely out of it. It is therefore sad to see heavily opinionated stuff being presented to the readers as the news, even sometimes referring to it as "Breaking News". This is certainly not doing justice to Gambian journalism.
I feel that, no matter how eager we are to "expose" the regime, we should never present wild speculations as facts. We always owe it to our readers and the Gambian public, both at home and abroad, to present to them the facts about anything. For instance, if President Jammeh's HIV/AIDS "cure" has indeed had a positive effect on the stigma associated with the pandemic in the society, we should not shy from saying so just because we do not believe in his claims to have found cure for it.
The facts are always the facts, no matter what.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 19:23:11
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I am NOT NASTY. So please lets discuss the issues. To begin with i did not make a generalisation. I said it here categorically that SOME and NOT All online papers. I singled out GAINAKO and BANTABA. I am ONLY a drop in ocean to be able to drive a WEDGE between the media fraternity. Remember i dnt even own a paper.
The authority i have are two fold. First am a Gambian, Second a human being. So i have a right to contribute whenever my Gambian or human interests are affected. Or dnt i?
What did you do to commemorate the students killing?
Did i hear you say mistakes? It is one thing to make a mistake and another to wilfully lie. Credible papers back home like The Point, i have seen them many times run apologies or do they call it a CORRIGENDUM? But how many times has your friend Pa run such even when he has been proven wrong? If mistakes are deliberate they become LIBELLOUS, for which you could be dragged to court.
You see the hyprocrites , even when they give out charity,they do it in public. I help out those who happened to be victims of this regime in the way i can and if need be in much discretion as possible.
Santa, have you bothered to ask youself why the noise is about Pa and no-one else? Even the Senegambia a former colleague is less errant than Pa. Is Pa more patriotic than all Gambians?
madiba is not a ghost name, it is PEN NAME, NOM DE PLUME
Santa no need to be strangle urself please. We are trying to bring more credility to the free press to enhance its voice for positive change back home.
"I feel that, no matter how eager we are to "expose" the regime, we should never present wild speculations as facts." D.A Jawo
Santa the above quote frm the doyen sums it all. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 12 Apr 2008 20:52:38 |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 20:27:10
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MADIBA, I couldn't agree more with your observations. We shouldn't stoop too low in an attempt to be relevant. There is one thing to be an alternative to the newspapers back home, but there is a more important fundamental principle that journalism should operate under-truth and probity.
I wish to register my commendations for Gainako as well. My brothers, you guys are doing a fastastic job. May Allah reward you for your services. There is too much journalism going around and you guys at Gainako have truely earned my respect! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 21:06:10
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Mansa tanx for ur comments.
That's exactly what am saying. The independent press is muzzled back home. FACT. We need an alternative voice.FACT. These online papers could possibly fill the void, but devoid of untruths. FACT.
That anynews is good as long as there is no press freedom back home. SCANDALOUS. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 21:40:22
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Yes also that FREEDOM NEWSPAPER is doing a GOOD JOB (POLITICALLY & WHATS ITS GOOD AT IN CYBERWAR AGAINST CURRENT REGIME!) BUT MOST OF ITS NEWS PEDDLED AROUND ARE INTRUSION OF PRIVACY, FALSE, UN-RELIABLE, FULL OF EXAGGERATIONS, PERSONAL HATRED & BIASED OPINIONS OF EDITOR.
They should APPRECIATE CHE'S COMMENTS, D.A.JAWO and others; like GAINAKO'S ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS Its just A CHALLENGE FOR IMPROVEMENT OF THE PRODUCTS (NEWS & GOOD INFORMATION)!
Courtesy of The Point Newspaper; What Our Editors Should Do under http://www.thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/4/7/what-our-editors-should-do |
Edited by - kobo on 12 Apr 2008 22:23:07 |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 09:01:26
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You know guys this is really an interesting but essential debate we should be having in our daily consumptions of news and reports.
I think we should go a little deeper and ask ourselves some critical questions. Allow me to put forward a few of those questions.
If we condemn Jammeh and his regime on a daily basis for his intolerance of differences, how come we cannot witstand a drop of criticism on our daily activities?
If we were to present a credible case say to the United Nations or the United States Congress for Jammeh's wrongs on the Gambian people, can we be credible by exposing his sex life?
Didn't we learn from history that appealing to our enemies consciences is much more effective than substituting wrong for wrong?
If anyone of us, say myself or uncle Suntu's blood family is falsely featured in gainako or freedom which leads to the total destruction of his or her life, how would we response to that?
Ain't we our own enemies when we refuse to adhere to higher standards for our own good?
Can our problems be solved by destroying one another anytime one of us raises concerns about what we consume?
The facts remain, those of us who claim to be doing checks and balances of the government or public servants, should be willing to be put to scrutiny as well.
I honestly disagree with my colleages at Freedom, or the Echo on taking Cherno Baba and DA's comments as personal. Until we are able to detach our egos from the work we do daily, we cannot learn and improve.
This is the essence of checks and balances. Do on to others as you will want others to do on to you. It is that simple.... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 10:39:25
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madiba, did you forget your exchanges with dalton here on a news piece he carried on gainako? so you change your mind so soon. it is delebarte on your part to peach the online media against each other and if any one of the editors buy into your self-proclaim decency, they will make a fool of themself. for a start, i did not say that all that which published on the freedomnews paper is good or relevant but i hold no moral journalistic authority to tell pa how to run his paper and neither do you mister decent madiba.
yahya make sure no news damaging to his nasty rule comes out. the only better way is for internal informants to leak the news. that you and any socall decent gambian cannot stop. yes have your say, but for you be able to make any meaninful impact, help us get the accurate news you so much talked about.
i respect the gainako ,they are doing a wonderful job, but similarly i respect the freedom,the echo,senegambia,the jorunal,allgambian,gambianow ,the lot of them. must of you can claim a moral authority no problem, but how do you expect gambian to react when a murderer get's away with murder on regular basis? you want to us to say ,well no news is credible because it is not from so and so news paper?
if yahya can politrik and manipulate his news, why not others do the same? for many the goal is to expose a murderer whatever it takes.
where is ebrima manneh? or that is not the issue, the state house press officer did not say any thing about it. why is that no sane journalist who love his life and family will write true account of the gambian prison population and conditions? you want ethical news, wait for the rest of your lifes ,you will get it one day i hope.
did you read the true account of the coroners report in the daily observer or state house web? desperate times requires desperate measures.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
http://newsbuster.com/
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
Edited by - Santanfara on 13 Apr 2008 10:46:59 |
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