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bread man
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 Posted - 04 Apr 2008 : 18:35:17
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Gambia's 1994 July 22 military takeover of political power is best accounted as one illegal operation. Had they been caught in the process, the ring leaders and many of their subbordinates would have been counting prison years by now.
Yeah fine for you to sit there and talk about its illegality. Tell that to us that suffered under the former regime. You see my brother, we would have gladly accepted the interference of War Criminal Charles Taylor at that time, so Jammeh was a blessing in the disguise of illegality. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Apr 2008 : 19:14:49
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Bread Man wrote:
"You see my brother, we would have gladly accepted the interference of War Criminal Charles Taylor at that time, so Jammeh was a blessing in the disguise of illegality."
Hard chunk of beef for easy digest. Please help to explain this statement if you will.
Can't get a head around the other bit concerning sufferers of the PPP regime. Are we to take it that because PPP made some people suffer, A/FPRC has reason to make the rest of Gambia suffer? I am certainly missing out something. The chain link between one form of suffering and the other beats reasonable imagination. Is this part of the rule that any regime that comes to power will cause suffering as a mark of revenge even on innocent sufferers? A reasonable and humanly advice to holders of public position would be for them to stop selfishness and greed. When people get selfish and greedy, they invariably encroach on the resources of others. That is a ready recipe for conflict. Ordinary people when they feel cheated by those in custody of public resources, reactions can be unfavourable and distasteful. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 13:47:09
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| "You see my brother, we would have gladly accepted the interference of War Criminal Charles Taylor at that time, so Jammeh was a blessing in the disguise of illegality." (Means anything was better than what we had then. Maybe the same for you today with Jammeh in power but am just still grateful that Jammeh came when he did.) |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 15:12:37
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Legality of APRC continuity can only be CONSOLIDATED WHERE & HOW IT ALL BEGAN; RAMPANT CORRUPTION, ACCOUNTABILITY, PROBITY & TRANSPARENCY
I don't think PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY & STEWARDSHIP OF STATE RESOURCES should be DICTATED OR EMPOWERED TO AN INDIVIDUAL as Mr.RIGHT! (WHO YOU ARE BOUND TO OBEY AT ALL COSTS
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 17:19:31
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After taking up arms to chase what you deem a bad government, what next? Head of the A/FPRC regime ever since demonstrates the most greedy form of selfishness by dishing everything for himself. What is Jammeh's source of personal wealth, to start with? Is staging a coup another name for looting? Did Jammeh rob power to change Gambia for good or to steal for his pocket? His desire for personal wealth is no secret. That is not the only bone to pick on Jammeh. In the process he imposes unbearable hardship on the whole population, treachery, tension, fear, despair, threat to life, death by brutal force. After some years, it is possible we can recover all lost money and materials. What we cannot recover though (and very precious) is the lives of many victims over the period presided by this head of government who swore by the Quran many times that he stands to defend Gambia and Gambians. That is a duty he fails day by day. If you are not worried about this man biting deeper into our tiny skins, many Gambians are. The coup and past regime apart, we are about NOW. Gentleman, be fair enough with Gambians. The force of gun power is not applicable here. There are so many competent Gambians. Therefore, one person misruling a country for 13 years is ABNORMAL. To have him insist beyond the next minute is fatal. Jammeh is not Mugabe and Gambia is not Zimbabwe. There was no liberation fight in Gambia unlike the experience of Zimbabwe. Where is all the noise coming from about this July 22 Revolution? Hey, none of the July clubbers fought to liberate Gambia. Let us stop dreaming and move with open eyes. The longer Jammeh stays in power, the more entangled for him and his lot.
Here, we can never underestimate the power of sycophancy. Even if deep down in Jammeh he knows he lost balance of sitautions, it is the club of sycophants who push him to extremes by inflating his ego beyond the point of elastication. That is what happens to Mugabe too. Greedy rulers and dictators are easy prey for sycophants. That is the unfortunate situation in Gambia. The good news is that the plague is already discovered and controlable. Jammeh unlike Mugabe, did not fight for Gambia. He is only there for his personal pocket. Some sycophants are also enjoying the booty with and that is where all the noise is generated. Think of Gambia OUR HOMELAND. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 07:18:27
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Breadman:
I think we often run the risk of logical fallacy by thinking that if one regime (Jawara's) is bad, anything that removes and replaces it (Jammeh's) is good. Even when our eyes are opened to the new regime's (Jammeh's) excesses, we tend to ignore or brush it aside because we simply have a bone to pick with the former regime of Jawara. Jawara's wrongs does not make Jammeh's wrongs right.
As Gambians, both individually and collectively, we must be guided by principles, and those principles must be the yardstick with which we evaluate and judge our governments and leaders. Our personal values weighed against the prevailing sound economic and socio-political values that guarantees human liberty and prosperity are the principles we need to stand by at all times. We must not hesitate to criticize any leader who fail to measure to these standards. This perhaps is the only way we can build consistency in our political thinking and development. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 11:10:14
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kay, to coloborate what you stated above, the briliant mathew jallow has call for the removal of yahya by any mean necessay http://www.thegambiaecho.com/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1152/Default.aspx
the total number of suspected human souls taken during yahya's regime is close to 140 individuals. who is yahya any way? why all this people went missing without a trace? no proper burial for many of them, its indeed sad. mathew has stated some good facts that the imam ratib of banjul should ponder over. if yahya's removal of jawara was legitimate ,then his own removal is even absolutely necessary without an iota of doubt. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 11:37:33
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| That is a powerful piece by Mathew... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 19:01:32
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Kay,
No better way of putting it than you have clearly done. To assume that everything was bad with the past regime is an opinion anyone is entitled to. There was trumpet noise about TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, PROBITY. Now, Jammeh and his A/FPRC club members defiantly refuse to respect those very values the absence of which they baffled the whole Gambia as justification for taking up arms in staging a coup that now results to total ruins for Gambia. As citizens, we have a right to question why Jammeh refuses to respect GAMBIAN LAWS. Is he above the laws at all? How will Jammeh die-hards feel if a worse tyrant topples Jammeh today and plugs his lethal claws on us all more than Jammeh is doing? We have to watch the water levels before a whole nation erodes into the deep wild sea where devils command. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 20:07:27
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| I remember an old political speaker at a village in the Fonis reacting to the claims that the former PPP politicians were rats (dirimos or fukundonaf) his response was that if even that was true the new ones are also dirimos but younger ones. The difference between them he said was that whereas the old dirimos do steal they do drop some of their loot for others to pick up but for the new guys they are so strong that they are capable of carrying all their loot back to their holes without dropping anything and make sure that no one picks up after them. This was at a political rally at Sintet Village organized by the UDP in 1996. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 20:09:08
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Breadman:
I think we often run the risk of logical fallacy by thinking that if one regime (Jawara's) is bad, anything that removes and replaces it (Jammeh's) is good. Even when our eyes are opened to the new regime's (Jammeh's) excesses, we tend to ignore or brush it aside because we simply have a bone to pick with the former regime of Jawara. Jawara's wrongs does not make Jammeh's wrongs right.
As Gambians, both individually and collectively, we must be guided by principles, and those principles must be the yardstick with which we evaluate and judge our governments and leaders. Our personal values weighed against the prevailing sound economic and socio-political values that guarantees human liberty and prosperity are the principles we need to stand by at all times. We must not hesitate to criticize any leader who fail to measure to these standards. This perhaps is the only way we can build consistency in our political thinking and development.
Couldn't agree more with the 'principles and standards' we need to uphold our leaders and governments to. In the same vein, to assume or make the presumption that the PPP regime was legitimate is a fallacy and an attempt at mocking the intelligence of all Gambians. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 07 Apr 2008 21:44:25 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 20:10:12
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Originally posted by Karamba
Kay,
No better way of putting it than you have clearly done. To assume that everything was bad with the past regime is an opinion anyone is entitled to. There was trumpet noise about TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, PROBITY. Now, Jammeh and his A/FPRC club members defiantly refuse to respect those very values the absence of which they baffled the whole Gambia as justification for taking up arms in staging a coup that now results to total ruins for Gambia. As citizens, we have a right to question why Jammeh refuses to respect GAMBIAN LAWS. Is he above the laws at all? How will Jammeh die-hards feel if a worse tyrant topples Jammeh today and plugs his lethal claws on us all more than Jammeh is doing? We have to watch the water levels before a whole nation erodes into the deep wild sea where devils command.
devil commands indeed karamba. did yahya found any of his missing demons? i thought his foni neigbour dalton would have helped in the spreading of the missing person notice .
any way, yahya jumped the system of coming into power. he forcefully and threateningly ceased power. that was breaking the gambian supreme law. should yahya put himself in front of the gambians courts for trails just like his governemnt tryed and jailed my good friend Alieu Jobe who will be in jail for over ten years? what was the crime of Alieu and his co-conspirators? any answers? i am baffled. yahya took power through coup yet he jailed attempted coup ploters for years .did he himself knew that staging a coup was illegal? i bet he does. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 20:35:44
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"In the same vein, to assume or make the presumption that the PPP regime was legitimate is a fallacy and an attempt at mocking the intelligence of all Gambians."
For sake of accuracy and decent records, at what stage in the political history of Gambia was PPP rule illegal? A sound expert contribution is best suitable. What is your source on this critical notion that PPP was illegal, Mansasulu? |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 21:23:25
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| It is only through the tainted glasses of certain individuals that one sees the illegality of the PPP. You know what; a criminal king pin in London once opined that stealing/or theft is not a crime but that it is a crime to be caught stealing. The one who steals and get away with the act did not commit any offense it is only the one who was caught in the act ergo found guilty who is to be crowned with the title of criminal or thief. That is what seems to be said by Mansasulu if I get him right .We refuse to be blinded by the fury of the PPP haters as we are called Yahya haters but the fact remains that Yahya and The AFPRC stole our democracy !!!! ehem.Jawara was voted in even if he too stayed on for too long. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 21:59:14
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Originally posted by Karamba
What is your source on this critical notion that PPP was illegal, Mansasulu?
Just like the current dictator's failures in his "constitutional" duties, the PPP regime became illegal when it failed to carry out its "constitutional" duties. Instead of providing a better life for all Gambians (and not just a privileged few) they embacked on systematic process of looting and plundering the meager resources of the Gambian people. They became illegal when they held on to power for way too long without provide the Gambian people with basic necessities like clean water, electricity etc. In short, they were on the look out for their pockets and themselves. The list goes on and on and on. My point is in as much as we are sick and tired of Yahya Jammeh and his cronies we are equally insulted by the notion or any presumption that the PPP fared better. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 07 Apr 2008 22:03:14 |
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