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toubab1020
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 Posted - 21 Feb 2008 : 12:51:59
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This report in The Point shows the intolerance to homosexuals in Senegal,does such intolerance exist in Gambia ? It is a fact that such behaviour in some Western cultures is widely accepted is this wrong ? or should people rely solely on their own feelings over what is right and what is wrong? Is this another form of love?
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2783.htm
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 Feb 2008 : 13:25:16
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| I have no qualifications to define what is right or wrong, but I think people should have the right to choose how they want to live their lives in a way that gives them happiness, even if that means a relationship between any consenting adults. However, I do not see any biological basis of homosexuality, and I strongly think homosexuality is a deviant behavior from a purely biological perspective. Legally, domestic partnership should be allowed, but the title 'marriage' should be reserved exclusively for its traditional sense of heterosexuals. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2008 : 15:45:10
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there are different forms of relationships. homosexuality is one of them. neither i nor anybody else earn the right to condem people just because they live their lives in a different way. provided they are two consenting adults, whose business is it to poke their noses at what people get up to in the privacy of their own bedroom. i will not go down the line of whether it is 'normal/ not normal'. i do not have enough information on the subjecct - perhaps because i have never been interested in the subject. however, what i do know is, what is normal to one person may not be normal to another. futher, i have always noted that the 'normality question' tends to be circulated by the religious establishment. this beggers believe. considering the fact that the church is full of homosexuals and the arabs muslims are the biggest homosexuals of them all, this just goes to show you how hypocritical the so called great religions of the world can be and have been.
live an let live. thats what i say. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2008 : 17:08:20
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I agree, Tamsier. Live and let live. I am hetera, but who am I to tell others whom they should love and have (consentual!) sex with.
I think that homosexual love is like any other love. I see it with my cousin, who is a Lesbian. She and her partner love each other dearly, and they both benefit from their relationship.
The oldest written epic of mankind, the Epic of Gilgamesh (Mesopotamia, ca. 2600 BC), depicts Gilgamesh as bisexual. Obviously not a big thing in the Sumerian society.
We should relax about the question. As I said in a former posting: Mankind is not at all in the danger of dying out. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2008 : 23:27:53
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Really?
Amazing the way we look at things. Every time such float in the air you get such views flung out.I just had to look at the chicken, goats ,cows and horses in the farms around and what i see with my eyes wide open is the male chasing the female to get release.Even our favorable pet the dog does the same ; I mean the male goes for the female not for another male dog so to speak.Of course it is any ones choice to do what ones likes in the domain of sexual satisfaction .That however in my opinion does not make ones way normal ,it makes it unique or peculiar .The animals way are for me very good examples of normal behavior in this domain .brrrrrrh.Sorry if I again hurt some sense and sensibilities and accept a big whack on the backside for being nutty woye suma ndaye! |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2008 : 23:59:16
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kaanibaa, i read your posting and couldn't stop laughing. it was so funny. my favourite was you last phrase 'woye suma ndaye'. i haven't heard that phrase for such a long time - i almost wetted myself.
seriously now, although i can understand were you are coming from, i just want to draw you attention to one minor detail. although you are right that in the animal kingdom - the male pieces tend to go after the females, sometimes the males also do go after the males. this is a minority just as in the human pieces the gay community are a minority. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 00:45:33
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| I give up bro.Dama waaaru te gisuma geeneh . I guess they have the right to do as they well please who am i to deny them and i sure cannot change things as they are. cheers Tamsier |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 03:50:36
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| Another area of homosexual lifestyle that I particularly (as liberal as i am) find troubling is the impact on children who are brought up in such households as empty as two consenting adults. Doesn't children have a right to be brought up in a natural home, instead of an artificial home designed by the whims and caprices of another's chosen aberrant lifestyle? Why drag children into this situation? Why does homosexuality has to be like a world movement that appears to threaten the traditional institutions of family and procreation with deep biological roots? |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 08:12:44
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I find as arrogance!
Incase, Just in case that we all have that the same type of habits
will we then bear, can we survives?.
Yes its their choice but I believes it so, that to survive biological can happen only through reproduction, as we then also heard that some creature that simply has dispears or dying out, not necessarily just through catastrophe an so on, but also lack of reproduction.
That's why i see it as not reasonable! |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 11:48:37
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| i was not going to make any further postings on this issue, but i feel i must - my last and final. for anyone who think being gay is a choice, well they are entitled to their opinion - may be it is a choice - may be it isn't. the only think i can say is that until few years ago, i had a friend who was gay. he was one of my best friends, he was like a brother to me. i remembered him confiding in me and telling me he had never told even his family or any body else for fear of rejection. he hated himself so much - he once told me 'if there was a medicine for it he would take it in order to get rid of this disease'. i tried to be understanding and helpfull - because as far as i was concerned, it didn't border me - he was still my friend, even more so for trusting me - by confiding in me. besides i have always been liberal to some extend. however, that was no use as far as he was concerned -, he was so ashamed of himself he tried twice to commit suicide unsuccessfully. on the third attempt, he succeded. does this sound like someone who would choose to be gay? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 22 Feb 2008 11:53:46 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 12:16:43
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Being gay may not be a choice, but living a gay lifestyle is a choice. There may be nothing wrong with that choice if it is between consenting adults, but even Alvin Toffler was worried about the dramatic impact on our concept of marriage, family, motherhood, and fatherhood when children are borned and raised by same sex parents.
It is a biological fact that human beings have very little behaviors that they are born with; most of human behavior is learned. Humans are perhaps the only creatures that do not have an instict... |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 14:48:57
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So by that token, Kay, it's a super upbringing for young Gambian children to watch the men in the compound sitting about all day drinking their green tea while the women do ALL the work?  Role model, anyone?????
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It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
Edited by - MeMe on 22 Feb 2008 14:49:39 |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 16:10:28
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| I am flabbergasted by the suggestion that all male Gambians are pathologically lazy Chinese tea drinkers who shun their family obligations leaving that to the wives to take care of things. As opinions go any one can say what one likes but the fact remains that a great number of our parents were very responsible and took extra ordinary care of us as such we can stand on our own two firm legs as grown ups today.By parents I mean both mother and father . I don't think that description was fair in my opinion .I also wonder what that has to do with the responsibilities of parenting by none reproductive homosexual partners .My big mouth again waiting to be clobbered but zzzzzzzzzz its my opinion.sorry if i u know whamsaying...... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 19:06:42
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| ok! i lied. i said that i was not going to talk about the gay issue again - and that was my last and final posting on the subject, yet here i go again opening my 'trap'. however, there is a degree of truth in my promise because this posting of mine is only to respond to meme. first of all meme, i dont drink tea or coffee - chinese or otherwise, i've stopped years ago. secondly, i come from a generation of hard working men. i am a business man, my late father was a hard working man [i will not state his job because he was well known and respected through out the gambia, and by stating his job that would identify my family - he was at the top of his profession]. he worked all his life to provide for his family and ensure his children got a good education. he worked so hard that it ended up killing him - eventhough he should have retired 20 years before his death. my elder brother also followed my fathers profession, my younger brother is an architect, my grand fathers on both my mother and father's side were merchants - and i can go on and on. the gambian men in my circle of friends as well as my relatives are hard working men in their chosen field. and when i go to gambia, the men i see rushing to go to work to provide for their families are many. it is true that you do have some lazy-so-and-so gambian men, but you have that through out the world. also, gambian men dont have a monopoly over laziness, there are lazy gambian women too. again lazy women are not just limited to the gambian women, but it also exist through out the world. and to add to that, in general, the gambian women are one of the most hard working women i've ever met just like their male counter-parts. you talk about drinking tea -[atire]. this is a social gathering normally done after work [mostly in the evening, weekends,]. it is not necessarily about the tea itself, but a way of socialising. in fact my late aunty, who by the way was a high school teacher - used to make it for us in our household when were were children. my late father loved it after work. he would give us the money to go and buy the tea so my aunty could make it [by that time she was living with us]. although my father loved it, he never made one himself, he would not know were to start. my brothers were useless at it too. not to be big headed or anything, but i was better, because she was not just an aunt to me, she was my best friend and my big sister. therefore, she taught me. women also do make 'atire' meme, she was not the only one and certainly not the last. you may have had/seen lazy gambian men but remember! - they are 'NOT' the majority, just like lazy gambian women are 'NOT' the majority. the same argument hold through out the world. because if it didn't, the world wouldn't move - regardless of how poor or rich a country is. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 22 Feb 2008 19:46:18 |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 20:58:51
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As a Muslim, i subscribe to those who denonce it. Its a forbidden practice in Islam. As far i know all major world religion condemn it.
If you live in a place like the UK where most people are irreligious, then you can freely do as you like. As liberals have the right to belong so do we as practising muslim denonce the act of homosexuality.
So professed Christians and Muslims may be involved , but that does not legitimize it. Infact when it comes to Islam, the most populous Islamic nations are not Arabs. Arabism doesn't mean Islamism.
When Allah(GOd) talks to us in the holy scriptures the Holy Quran. HE eithers addresses us like YA-HAYYU-ANAS (Mankind) or says YA-AYYULAZINA-AMANU(Believers). So no race has monopoly over the other when it comes to Islam.
Indonesia has the largest Muslim populous in the region of 65million, Iran too is a great Muslim nation yet both are not Arabs.
Arabs too like other peoples e.g Africans were idolators before the advent of prophet Muhammad(SAW) and Islam.
If we want peace in this world lets LIVE and Let LIVE. In your liberal world practice whatever suits you, we won't complain, but for mutual respect dont ask us to ignore things we dnt entertain. |
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inez
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Posted - 22 Feb 2008 : 21:33:41
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So what about those dogs jumping on human legs and trying to do their thing, how "normal" is that? 
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Originally posted by kaanibaa
Really?
Amazing the way we look at things. Every time such float in the air you get such views flung out.I just had to look at the chicken, goats ,cows and horses in the farms around and what i see with my eyes wide open is the male chasing the female to get release.Even our favorable pet the dog does the same ; I mean the male goes for the female not for another male dog so to speak.Of course it is any ones choice to do what ones likes in the domain of sexual satisfaction .That however in my opinion does not make ones way normal ,it makes it unique or peculiar .The animals way are for me very good examples of normal behavior in this domain .brrrrrrh.Sorry if I again hurt some sense and sensibilities and accept a big whack on the backside for being nutty woye suma ndaye!
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