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toubab1020
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 21:03:27
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Well this is apparently getting very ugly. Remember Turk wanted this volunteer work in Africa, well Maby apparently has also announced his interest in the job :) hey...
Kay: I told you there would be trouble ! !
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 28 Oct 2007 : 19:21:15
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| I know, just throwing some jokes at my buddies, Turk and Mbay. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 11:14:40
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Can some one correct me righ? I think even in the Gambia in our fula community around Basse, when a man is taking a bride, He is normally taken to the bush and given a hard beating? This they call "KEBBA SONDI"? Ask thos from Mansajang and soroundings.Am not sure if the practice is still in place but for sure it was.
Jayang
Kebba Sondi? Thats was something. There is another in mandinka called FULANDING NYA BONDO. I fully remember the twine called SAMBEWO which can send one running towards hell if hit seriously.
Jayangfara i dont think you will be getting a wife from your uncles. Kondorong is this practised in Yorro Bawol?
But seriously i think this is a silly/dangerous practice that should be illegal. But on a more serious note i was watching Aljazeera last week and they had a good programme on the rise of Breast Cancer in developing countries includng the middle East especially Dubai.
The arabian doctor being interviewed mentioned how this was normally a disease of women in developed countries but its becoming a global problem in developing countries as women live increasingly westernised lives having less children, breastfeeding less, diet etc. Even in the US, where they spend a cool US$ 8bn its a major health problem.
i'm sure its not related but i think this practise in Cameroun will not help.
Time magazine has breast cancer in developing countries like China, Kenya , India on its October 2007 cover. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 16:57:10
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Njuks
It used to be but not now. Besides, its not something sanctioned by the society. Its more or less, a response to power and author1ty in a group where members test each other. It was common among teen agers of each age group. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2007 : 21:53:37
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Can some one correct me righ? I think even in the Gambia in our fula community around Basse, when a man is taking a bride, He is normally taken to the bush and given a hard beating? This they call "KEBBA SONDI"? Ask thos from Mansajang and soroundings.Am not sure if the practice is still in place but for sure it was.
Jayang
Kebba Sondi? Thats was something. There is another in mandinka called FULANDING NYA BONDO. I fully remember the twine called SAMBEWO which can send one running towards hell if hit seriously.
This used to be times when members of an age group decide that it was for a while that authority in the group was compromised and it was out for a grab. It led to individual challenges until a dominant person stands out. These challenges were done in the forest unbeknown to anyone in the village outside of the age group members.
I must admit, i never could stand the beating and quickly gave up my desire. I was the diplomat in the group prefering to negotiate rather than fight.
Even now you could hear some old people joking at the bantaba challenging their mates to go to the bush reminiscing about times gone by when they were young.
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njucks Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 11:14:40
Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Can some one correct me righ? I think even in the Gambia in our fula community around Basse, when a man is taking a bride, He is normally taken to the bush and given a hard beating? This they call "KEBBA SONDI"? Ask thos from Mansajang and soroundings.Am not sure if the practice is still in place but for sure it was.
Jayang
Kebba Sondi? Thats was something. There is another in mandinka called FULANDING NYA BONDO. I fully remember the twine called SAMBEWO which can send one running towards hell if hit seriously.
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Jayangfara i dont think you will be getting a wife from your uncles. Kondorong is this practised in Yorro Bawol?
But seriously i think this is a silly/dangerous practice that should be illegal. But on a more serious note i was watching Aljazeera last week and they had a good programme on the rise of Breast Cancer in developing countries includng the middle East especially Dubai.
The arabian doctor being interviewed mentioned how this was normally a disease of women in developed countries but its becoming a global problem in developing countries as women live increasingly westernised lives having less children, breastfeeding less, diet etc. Even in the US, where they spend a cool US$ 8bn its a major health problem.
i'm sure its not related but i think this practise in Cameroun will not help.
Time magazine has breast cancer in developing countries like China, Kenya , India on its October 2007 cover.
Kondorong,
Fulansung Nyabondo( Oh kon. you are at it again, you never forget).This was very common in those days I remember, because I was not very good at throwing my opponents down, I used to hide some sand in my pocketand that trick leads me winning always.But oneday, there was an elder boy who was supervising the fight and had to search us all and took all the sand from my pocket.I can never forget that day....Guest what, I was severely beaten with my mouth, nose and shirt cover with blood.I ran home and accused the elder boy of beating me instead. I was ashamed to tell my mum I was beaten by my age group.
As you can see Villages near to a mandinka village, mostly speak Mandinka. We used to share the same tributary with many boys from a big mandinka village and anytime we meet, we will do a wrestling compitition. I used to enjoy wrestling expacially the dancing to thr rythemes. Intresting isn't it?
For Brother Njucks,
Well for my uncles, I don't think I shall need their their daughters anymore for they refused giving me one when I most needed. Now I am happily married and there is no way I will go a second.
Africa has a lot to offer and once we mordernise some of our cultures, we would stand second to no other continent. I learnt that the United Kingdom used to have town criers who rings big bells accross the town announcing events, just like we do have town criers in our villages and towns.The Romans, Arabs and many other tribes also used to have Waht Kondorong calls Fulansung Nyabondo.There used to be bouts and people would come out and call out the name of the one you want to challenge to a fight and he cannot refuse as that would be seen as cowardly...I shall tell you more latter.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2007 : 23:15:35
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Originally posted by kondorong
Kondorong,
Fulansung Nyabondo( Oh kon. you are at it again, you never forget).This was very common in those days I remember, because I was not very good at throwing my opponents down, I used to hide some sand in my pocketand that trick leads me winning always.But oneday, there was an elder boy who was supervising the fight and had to search us all and took all the sand from my pocket.I can never forget that day....Guest what, I was severely beaten with my mouth, nose and shirt cover with blood.I ran home and accused the elder boy of beating me instead. I was ashamed to tell my mum I was beaten by my age group.
As you can see Villages near to a mandinka village, mostly speak Mandinka. We used to share the same tributary with many boys from a big mandinka village and anytime we meet, we will do a wrestling compitition. I used to enjoy wrestling expacially the dancing to thr rythemes. Intresting isn't it?
You have taken back centuries
The mandinka word for age group is (BORO). Thats different from the word "run". Its synonymous to running since people in this age group tend to run around together, play together, sleep together and marry around the same time in their life. Each age group are united from birth till death.
I enjoyed the wrestlings but more particularly the ones who are the guides to the wrestlers called MBIRI JOBO in Mandinka. They handle the magic waters and do their rituals before a wrestling match. They are also good dancers and very skilled orators scaring opponents.
It reminds me of the Lion and the Jewel. The contest between the Chief and Lankule. The clash of african and western cultures which Ali Mazuri calls the "..dilema of an African Intellectual..." who is sanwiched between his own culture and the western ideals. In the book Woli Soyinka did allow the african culture to win and hence the Chief marrying the wife.
I still attend wrestling matches and march and dance to the beat of the African drum in the village square especially during SAATEH BAARO(general cleaning of the village after the rainy season.).
I wear my DABA KOOR TO ( A very loose African pant biggere than a Moroccan Boubou dress). My Fulani neighbors busy as always swaying left to right to the sound of the NYA RIRU (SUSA in Mandinka, whilst the Fulani Habobe dance to the beating of DABU DOLO KUM, DABU NO TI DA)
Its only during these times, in the dead of the night that Kondorongs come around as they like wrestling. By dawn, many of us look so white from the dust in the village square but happy that we could relive lives of years gone by.
WANA MAI BEH TAN YOORR MI NI(Fulani). Its not only the dead that are sympathised. Even the living can be in misery. SANKOFA (Go back to learn) (Adu Boahen; Histroy of West Africa.)
SI PUCHU REPPI, KO MBABA DA DA TA EIN (Fulani) |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 22:16:30
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Kon,
"HALI JABA, ATIMMU.("REPLY TO SOMETHING SAID HAS A STAGE")
SOFI LARRI, AADAR JU" ("IF YOU RUSH YOU MISS")
Kon, "TARROO TARROO LUMBATA MAYO"(" GOING ROUND ROUND, CANNOT MAKE ONE CROSS THE RIVER").
RAWANDU DOGATA JOMA MUDUM"("A DOG DOES NOT RUN FROM ITS MASTER")
YOU ARE BECOMING A POET
I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY YOU HAVE MADE MY NIGHT.
THOSE WERE DAYS WHEN MEN WERE MEN!AS OKWONKWO IN "THINGS FALL APART", WOULD SWAY HIS FEET AS MADUKA WRESTLES WITH THE BEST FROM THE VILLAGE OF MBAINO.
BUT YOU SEE Kon,
WHEN THINGS FALL APART, THE CENTER CANNOT HOLD, AND THE FALCON CANNOT BEAR THE FALCONERR.
SADNESS AND ONLY SADNESS BEGETS LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ABANDONED THEIR ANCESTORS. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 22:32:59
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| Thats pure Fulani. MBALEN JAM |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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