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Karl
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 16:42:46
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
One elderly relative of mine use to say about PDOIS; 'They cannot even manage a wife much more a country'. I never disagree with him because the statement gives me so much to laugh about.
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Nyari,
With all due respect, Personally, I think this statement even if is not your direct point of view is irresponsible and irrational for an intelligent person like you. As Momodou rightly put it such a concept wrongly classifies wives or women in general into an unfortunate position of objects. This is wrong, and who ever believed in that is definitely standing at the wrong side of this day and age. Just this single statement has defined you as a whole and it is irretrievable, no matter what you stands for politically or socially,. I am disappointed my brother!! |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 17:41:31
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infact ,both halifa and sedia where married. Gambian tend to like the politics of intrusion .if sedia at one point is a devorced man that doesn't affect his leadership quality or standard. marriage is a private matter to individuals.that is not a political debating point.
ofcourse our older generation subscribe to the notion that unmarried men are some how lacking some substance but that is far from the truth.
halifa too is/was married and i believe he is still married.he may have devorce his wife at one time ,i can't tell but that is his private problem . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 18:27:44
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Originally posted by Momodou
Sony, That person must be a man chauvinist who sees a woman as an object is managed. PDOIS consists of men and women of dignity who see each other as equal partners.
Do you want to tell us that this is how UDP sees women and leadership is only reserved for men who manage their wives?
Hey! Hey! hold your breath, ok. This is just a quote from an elderly relative. I didn't even thought of UDP when I was posting neither did I ever said that I am UDP. So, no twisting ok. You have expressed your view in respect of his statement and went on to describe him as 'a man chauvinist'. I have no problem with that as it is your opinion. I, however, find it inconcievable that you would want to swipe at a party that is not connected and is not in approval of the statement anyway. That tells me that you guys merely react out of panick. You are a bunch of insecure folks.
Another thing about PDOIS is lack of respect for elders. I was told Halifa Sallah [the self-style Ayatollah] in particular had been so disrespectful and antogonistic towards Assan Musa Camara, an over 80 yr old statesman, during the NADD debacle. How can we even thought about such people as leaders of our great nation? I think we need a break from this fantasism.
By the way, You are purpose to address me by my username. I have always respect you here. So please don't abuse your previledge sir.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 18:36:41
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Originally posted by Karl
Nyari,
With all due respect, Personally, I think this statement even if is not your direct point of view is irresponsible and irrational for an intelligent person like you. As Momodou rightly put it such a concept wrongly classifies wives or women in general into an unfortunate position of objects. This is wrong, and who ever believed in that is definitely standing at the wrong side of this day and age. Just this single statement has defined you as a whole and it is irretrievable, no matter what you stands for politically or socially,. I am disappointed my brother!!
Karl, I understand your point but if you read my posting carefully, i did stated that the statement was uttered by an elderly relative. So it is clearly not mine. But he is not alone. I know a lot of elders in the province who would say worst than this. Whether irrational or irresonsible, I suppose they are entitled to their opinions.
I posted this statement because any time I remember the old pa and his stance against PDOIS, I would never be able to hold my laughter. That is why I chose never to disagree with him because otherwise I would not have something to laugh about, well not something as funny and good as this one.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 18:40:05
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Originally posted by Santanfara
infact ,both halifa and sedia where married. Gambian tend to like the politics of intrusion .if sedia at one point is a devorced man that doesn't affect his leadership quality or standard. marriage is a private matter to individuals.that is not a political debating point.
ofcourse our older generation subscribe to the notion that unmarried men are some how lacking some substance but that is far from the truth.
halifa too is/was married and i believe he is still married.he may have devorce his wife at one time ,i can't tell but that is his private problem .
Santafara, you got it right but it doesn't mean we shouldn't laugh especially if they are just that funny. I suppose that is because PDOIS is just a laughing stock.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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sankalanka
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Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 20:42:40
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For the PDOIS detractors, there is going to be a new challenge and it will not come from Halifa neither from any of the other PDOIS leadership. People who lacked the competence to debate on the issues, but instead spread negative perceptions about people who they do not agree with, will be exposed for what they are or dumped in the garbage of political irrevelancy where they belong.
When we commence this debate, we will expect every statement to be substantiated by facts; every criticism to be backed by an indepth analysis for the basis of that criticism. If one has to disagree with any provisions of the PDOIS agenda for Democracy and Development,for example,it will be intellectually honest and indeed beneficial for one to state what it is that one is criticising and on what basis. It is also equally important to state counter arguments and debate the merits of those arguments. It is only in such an atmosphere that we can give relevance to our political discourse, and argue the merits or demerits of the different political orientations that we pursue.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 13:41:00
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
quote:
Originally posted by Santanfara
infact ,both halifa and sedia where married. Gambian tend to like the politics of intrusion .if sedia at one point is a devorced man that doesn't affect his leadership quality or standard. marriage is a private matter to individuals.that is not a political debating point.
ofcourse our older generation subscribe to the notion that unmarried men are some how lacking some substance but that is far from the truth.
halifa too is/was married and i believe he is still married.he may have devorce his wife at one time ,i can't tell but that is his private problem .
Santafara, you got it right but it doesn't mean we shouldn't laugh especially if they are just that funny. I suppose that is because PDOIS is just a laughing stock.
Thanks for your thoughts
thanks nyari .i am not trying to spoil your fun . have fun .i am not sure if sanka will like that .pdois is great party but that doesn't spear them from radicule .our politics should be bit jovial ,lets not get over worked up about others dislike of our respective parties.
sankalanla is person whose posting i enjoy ,sanka ,don't get angry with ayaris comments ,he may just be trying to create some debating mode .i will speak to Sedia and tell him about the old person's comment ,trust me he will crack over it .as sanka stated ''lets argue on substance and facts''but aslo we can have a bit of fun on the way .we are here ,the gambia is here and the ideas of halifa and co is written in pages of history .so sanka fear nothing . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 14:13:29
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Am repeating this post again!
To overcome all odds and WINNING A GAME is all about IDENTIFY GOALS & OBJECTIVES, STRATEGIC & TACTICAL PLANNING (VARIOUS FORMS OF MODELLING APPROACHES), MOBILISATION OF RESOURCES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO ARCHIEVE THE GOALS.
My Gambian compatriots please lets stop CHEAP PETTY POLITICS, DITRACTIONS, LACK OF FOCUS, COUNTER-PRODUCTIVENESS, UNDER-MINING OF PROGRESSIVE EFFORTS, SMEARING CAMPAIGNS AND PERSONAL VENDETTA. Why can't you focus on the programmes, agenda, manifesto and policies.
Halifa & co. (P.D.O.I.S) are not THE TARGETS IN GAMBIAN POLITICAL BATTLE!. All the slander against them are just MOCKERY TO GAMBIAN DEMOCRACY, THE CHEAP POLITICS, CHARACTER ASSASINATIONS, BAD SPIRITS & POOR MENTALITY WE ARE GROOMED ON AND INTELLECTUAL DIS-HONESTY THAT BEATS UR CONCIENCE WHICH ARE SIGNS OF UNDER-DEVELOPMENT.
Food for thought:- "OUT OF MANY ONLY ONE GOAL!" |
Edited by - kobo on 15 Oct 2007 14:25:11 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 14:31:29
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| STRONG WORDS KOBO.but even in develop democracies politicans get smeared and are personally targetted .it is part of the game.you cannot talk politics and leave out what it is accompanyed with .follow australian politics,scotish ,american ,french ,talk less of the british politics. it all have every thing in it.if you want the gambia and gambians to adopt secular democracy then get use to what free speech comes with.what ever goal one wish to achieve ,it hardly takes a straight route to accomplish the mission.kobo !calm dowm ,its in the game.the agenda of pdois is very clear ,that is a position of strenght for them .use there strenght to propel them ,don't allow to be side tracted by perceive negative comments .show me where political game is clean ,i will asure that we will avoid death in some way.politics is never a clean fight ,those involve in it knows that .this is why we have pr,gurus ,spin doctors,opion polls,etc.before president bush context for his presidency he was accussed of alcohol addiction,visiting prostitutes ,but that didn't stop him winning two elections.halifa can do the same as well .work from a position of strenght and use that to maximum .britain gordon brown refuse to declear election for this autumm because he knew it will be a tough fight for him .he is label as a coward and all sort .he retreated and he is taking strenght to counter the tory force.but trying to silence those who don't like halifa or pdois will only prove futile.the one who post the negative message wish to draw you in his battle field ,don't allow that ,fight your fight in your own way. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 14:47:57
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Any constructive criticism, comments & feedback on POLITICAL ISSUES ON HAND & PDOIS' Agenda for Democracy and Development (ADD).Satanfara you are welcome on your views but can only engage you on them (i.e on POLITICAL ISSUES ON HAND & PDOIS' Agenda for Democracy and Development (ADD).).
You can paint any picture or image as a CARTONIST! & FOR FUN!. To me thats just foolishness, idle and un-productive.
PARTY POLITICS! AND NOT PETTY POLITICS!
Anything that does not focus on them in this topic are considered trivial and waste of time, energy & resources in my opinion. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 15:12:27
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Originally posted by kobo
Any constructive criticism, comments & feedback on POLITICAL ISSUES ON HAND & PDOIS' Agenda for Democracy and Development (ADD).Satanfara you are welcome on your views but can only engage you on them (i.e on POLITICAL ISSUES ON HAND & PDOIS' Agenda for Democracy and Development (ADD).).
You can paint any picture or image as a CARTONIST! & FOR FUN!. To me thats just foolishness, idle and un-productive.
PARTY POLITICS! AND NOT PETTY POLITICS!
Anything that does not focus on them in this topic are considered trivial and waste of time, energy & resources in my opinion.
foolishnesssss .good .you are not a politician then .trivial .that is what politics is all about .
by the way your man che's aniversary is this months i believe .i listen to some of his tapes recorded in the u.n .he was asked what is a revolution and a revolutionary ? he answered them very well. he said '' the revolution makes the revolutionary and the revolutionary makes the revolution ''.thanks alpha kobo ,i sign out.i will be reading you time permitting . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 15:45:04
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Am never a politician but inspired as a political activist for PEACE & defender of HUMAN RIGHTS & JUSTICE; challenged overtime as a participant in OUR GRAND NATIONAL POLITICAL DEBATES through this forum amongst others FOR MOTHERLAND DEAREST! (FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!)
Am not infront of any firing line but behind the scenes!  I have never join any political party formally and my recollection and truth on my votes (exercising my constitutional rights) were cast as follows;:-
1) Voted once for P.P.P under Jawara as President
2) Voted two or three times for Darboe (U.D.P) as Presidential candidate and since U.D.P existed I voted for them.
3) Vote twice for P.D.O.I.S; once for Sam Sarr (P.D.O.I.S) and another P.D.O.I.S candidate at the Kombos.
4) Never voted for A.P.R.C or a P.D.O.I.S. or N.A.D.D Presidential candidate.
As trends are going in Gambian politics A.P.R.C cannot be dislodged from ruling the country for next decade democratically. There is no credibilble opposition party or alliance that can defeat them through elections from my assessment of Gambian politics. It appears as if all oppostion parties are DEAD APART FROM P.D.O.I.S (Halifa & Co.) vibrant in civic education, probity on government policies & good governance, accountability & transparency, all aspects of Gambian politics & constitutional issues for its citizens
I follow ANY POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS, CURRENT ISSUES, POLICIES, POLITICAL PARTIES & THEIR LEADERSHIP and consider them very seriously Towards the common good! That All May Live In Unity! Freedom! & Peace! Each Day! And Ultimately; To Let Justice Guide Our Actions!
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Edited by - kobo on 15 Oct 2007 17:26:53 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 19:11:00
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Hey Santanfara, did you notice anything here? This topic is no longer sticky. The sticker has been blown-up by the Old Pa's statement. What a powerful one.
Keeba Kumo... Aabukaboye.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 12:10:36
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You are a con trickster, ruthless hater and detractor. At times you try to sell us your brilliance / intelligent /logical senses but when it comes to P.D.O.I.S Agenda (Halifa & Co.) you don't care about being a sensible, reasonable and balance person. Stop being childish, foolish, personal vendetta against Halifa & co. With all your education you can't forward any LOGICAL, CONSTRUCTIVE, COMMENTS & OPINIONS ON THIS TOPIC AMONGST OTHERS so that others can engage you in our GRAND NATIONAL POLITICAL DEBATE!
AM SICK ON INTELLECTUAL DIS-HONESTY as manifested by you! Grow up Nyari and stop being rude! Lets deal with ISSUES that are at stake!PARTY POLITICS! AND NOT PETTY POLITICS! can move the NATION FORWARD!
More on P.D.O.I.S' AGENDA FOR DEMOCRACY & DEVELOPMENT from one of Foroyaa's latest editorial / articles under Bantaba Gambian pollitics topic: Rulers and Leaders http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4629
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Edited by - kobo on 17 Oct 2007 13:13:35 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 19:30:03
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We missed a lot on these series of Focus on Gambian Politics compiled by P.D.O.I.S and released in parts on web through courtesy of allfrica.com.
However with immediate effect, updates will be featured through this topic as follows: Gambia: Focus On Politics - The First National Education Conference under http://allafrica.com/stories/200710190837.html |
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