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njucks
Gambia
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 Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 19:36:32
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Originally posted by Alhassan
Njucks,
You must have to ask the people of KAFUTA before you say that I am wrong.................
I did not say that, you said it. What i said was that it was unlikely that migration was happening from East to West through a straight line following the modern borders today.Most of these settlements are also influenced by the construction of roads passing through them. this was the point i was trying to make
if it pleases you, i can say that i think you are right. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 20:02:33
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| Juldeh used to be no-nonsense GAINAKO. Very fluent in the local languages especially Jola and Mandinka. Wen i la st saw him for nearly 20yrs ago. He was getting old den lost the big muscles. Was still carrying his bushy beard though. I dnt know the mbenga well, but there is a Jawo and Bah families that i know very well. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 22:39:52
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Can you then tell me what is right. Dont just condemn and offer no answer. Thats not the way to teach someone.
Kondorong,
I do not mean to condem you at all. The original name of the village is Sare Mawnde. It was him (Mawnde) who was the first settler. Even in mMandinka arround Yundum it is known as Mawnde Ya.
Most of the small villages in the Gambia are named after the first settler. There are many examples. EG, all Wollof village names that begin with KERR, most Fullah village names that begig with SARE, most Mandinka village names that end with YA it goes on. the small settelements arround Wellingara are named after the first settler. This is common in the SeneGambian region.
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 23:08:32
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Originally posted by njucks
quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
Njucks,
You must have to ask the people of KAFUTA before you say that I am wrong.................
I did not say that, you said it. What i said was that it was unlikely that migration was happening from East to West through a straight line following the modern borders today.Most of these settlements are also influenced by the construction of roads passing through them. this was the point i was trying to make
njucks,
There was migration. As we know today some of the people of the Senegambian region came from east of SeneGambia.The Mandinka camefrom Manding, and the Bambana(Bambara) came from TILIBO.That is why we call them TILIBONKO. Where is Manding today?
The Wollof and Serer have all along been settling arround the region of Saloum , Sene Saloum, Walo and Cayor. The story goes on.
If we follow from the time of the colonial history , then it would not be accurate. All these people have been there before the colonialist came. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 00:11:04
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Originally posted by Alhassan
[brKondorong,
I do not mean to condem you at all. The original name of the village is Sare Mawnde. It was him (Mawnde) who was the first settler. Even in mMandinka arround Yundum it is known as Mawnde Ya.
Most of the small villages in the Gambia are named after the first settler. There are many examples. EG, all Wollof village names that begin with KERR, most Fullah village names that begig with SARE, most Mandinka village names that end with YA it goes on. the small settelements arround Wellingara are named after the first settler. This is common in the SeneGambian region.
Well i did not refute your history of the town. What i added was that the place is also now being called Nema Nasir due to the influence of the Niasse family who live there.
I hope you undesratnd my addition. Who dares ague with the Jelli |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 20:57:04
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Originally posted by Alhassan
....... EG, all Wollof village names that begin with KERR, most Fullah village names that begig with SARE, most Mandinka village names that end with YA it goes on. This is common in the SeneGambian region.
ok Alhassan you are right. if i may add to your posting above, in the Foigny districts, many villages also start with Kan e.g Kansala, Kanilai, Kanmamadou, kankuran, kanwali etc this is also a common pattern i think. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 21:14:58
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Originally posted by kondorong
What is the name of the first manding Settlement?
Supposedly, you mean in the Gambia. or…?
The question reminds me of the egg and the hen…... which one came first.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 21:23:46
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Originally posted by njucks
ok Alhassan you are right. if i may add to your posting above, in the Foigny districts, many villages also start with Kan e.g Kansala, Kanilai, Kanmamadou, kankuran, kanwali etc this is also a common pattern i think.
The Kan in Kanmamadou and kanwali are titles like Afang Mamadou, Afang Saikou |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 22:30:14
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| You are right "Kang" is a title to some respectful individual. Usually with the advent of Islam in west africa. "Afang" is another example. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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brusubi
Netherlands
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brusubi
Netherlands
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 01:52:40
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Brusubi
Where ever you see on the map the word "Factory", it is a slave trading settlement. They were the gathering points of slaves from many sources and ships come in to collect their cargo.
I could not find Pisania on the map which was where Mungo Park camped before his journey into the interior of Africa. Well that was in 1789 and this map was in 1732.
Interestingly, I was able to find Niani Maro which was also a slave factory on the map. It’s safe to say that Niani Maro was settled before Kuntaur. You could not miss Kuntaur if Niani Maro is on the map.
Similarly, I could not find towns like Farafenni, Soma, kaur, Kalagi, Brufut and Basse.
In the case of Georgetown, Lemaine is indicated on the outskirt of the banks and not the island itself. Could this settlement be Lamin Koto as is known today? Moro Kunda is also located near where Georgetown is and accounts of the British expedition in 1823 confirmed that there was a Moro Kunda on the island itself consisting of about 200 people under a Marabout leader when they bought the island. But then, the name Moro Kunda seems to be replicated all over the map. That worries me. In fact on the map, Lemaine is further from the river and the closest settlement is Janko Kunda. There is no such settlement today in that area.
For the map to be authentic, Lemaine should be indicated on the island unless two things happened.
1. That the French map of 1700 was wrong in the location of Lemaine or
2. That, if the French were right, then settlement of Lemaine on the island had moved in land by 1732
In 1823, there was no settlement called Lemaine. The island was called Moro Kunda.
In accounts of the history of the area, Lemaine was the original name of Georgetown and that appeared in French maps in 1700 much earlier than this map. This map does not even have the island named. Lemaine is indicated well inland. That needs to be sorted out.
Another observation is the large number of settlements called Foley Kunda. At least by an accident of history one of these towns would have survived. I don’t know of any such settlement in the present day Gambia.
Another worrying feature on the map is the many settlements called Kings Town. These kings were barely 50 miles away from each other. Perhaps they were some opinion leaders otherwise, it only confirms what I said here before that Gambia was ruled by chiefdoms and not any centralized system of Government large enough to be a kingdom.
I saw some utensils purported to have belonged to Sir Cecil Armitage, one time Governor of Gambia and the story indicated that he collected those artifacts while in Ashanti kingdom. Records have showed that he never served in Ghana in the Colonial Administration.
I have my doubts with some artifacts being sold on the internet. The map looks genuine but showed very few settlements and some deficiencies. Could it be that Gambia was virtually an empty space in 1732?
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 10:37:05
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Originally posted by Janko
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Originally posted by njucks
ok Alhassan you are right. if i may add to your posting above, in the Foigny districts, many villages also start with Kan e.g Kansala, Kanilai, Kanmamadou, kankuran, kanwali etc this is also a common pattern i think.
The Kan in Kanmamadou and kanwali are titles like Afang Mamadou, Afang Saikou
Janko,
Is Kan not the same as KARAMO(Teacher)? What is the difference between Kan(Karang) and Afang(arafang)?
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 10:55:59
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| alhasan ,i will try to make a distinction between the word kan and karang and afang .the word kan is usually refered to the late comers into islam such as the korings and nyanchos .you only usually hear kan sanyang ,kan sonko etc .so for karan ,this is a jahanka word .karan in mandinka mean learned .so jahanka like calling there scholars as karan whilst the mandinkas will use the equalent afang .afang means himself .this is attributing respectability and honour to that person ,example you can say afang ko ten ,meaning the afang himself said this .kan is for the kabunkas most of the time ,they where late comers to islam .i don't know the wisdom behind calling them kan .lalo keba usually sing it in his songs .he said i quote '' since the korings and nyanchos became knowm as kan sanyang and kan sonko ,the jalis became comfused ''. what he meant was ,the unnecessary wars and killings which create bravery and status has disappeared becuase islam forbid murder and trangreession which is what the korings and nyanchos do best .so they became kan ,which means they are not distinct enough to be afan . |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 12:47:49
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Santanfara,
Thanks for the explaniation. I speak mandinka well but have been pussuled by these words. |
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