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Santanfara
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 Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 00:19:26
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no malicious intent .i was told today by a sanyang kunda friend of mine that his friend is travelling to the casamace region for the annual event of kasaye boyo or nyaka boyo ( annual jola festival ) . i was puzzled .the man is close to 42 years why attend such an occassion beg me ask some questions. what is the significance of attending the occassion ? i am not familir with jola cultures and i don't intend any malice by trying to know why some one can travel from england to casamace to grace that occassion. the man they said believe that he has been having bad omens because he did not attend any kasaye boyo.
can some one explain what is this all about ? what happen there in brief and why should people attend it from far away ? kasaye boyo ( annual male circumcision )
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 01:07:14
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| I did attend many and will always attend. I get a sort of feeling during the occassion that find hard to get. Its engraved in my bones. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 12:14:23
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Originally posted by kondorong
I did attend many and will always attend. I get a sort of feeling during the occassion that find hard to get. Its engraved in my bones.
alpha kondo ,tell us if you may as to what happen there . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 17:46:58
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Originally posted by Santanfara
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Originally posted by kondorong
I did attend many and will always attend. I get a sort of feeling during the occassion that find hard to get. Its engraved in my bones.
alpha kondo ,tell us if you may as to what happen there .
Well according to tradition, the SOLIMAS are not supposed to know and the internet being accessible everywhere there is a connection, i cannot seperate the hay from the seed.
I am a KIN TANG and hopefully i would like to graduate to higher rank. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 18:58:12
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| What is a SOLIMA? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 20:14:40
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Well according to tradition, the SOLIMAS are not supposed to know  |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 20:59:12
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Originally posted by mansasulu
What is a SOLIMA?
I think it means the un-circumsised. Consequently being not matured since they never under-went the rite of passage into adulthood. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 22:25:58
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Kondorong:
On what role do you attend this occassions ; by-stander ,spectator or participant. If you were a participant ,what function do you specifically perform?
I acknowledge that this are events of some very cultural significance , but considering the waste,"witch craft" , and superstition involved ; i am often skeptical of these events. I am so glad you brought up the issue of internet vis-a -vis "solimas". I think these events and concepts are vestiges of "primitive" societies. They are not likely to be found in modern , progressive societies. Certainly I cannot put my kids through these... |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 22:36:41
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Kondorong:
On what role do you attend this occassions ; by-stander ,spectator or participant. If you were a participant ,what function do you specifically perform?
I acknowledge that this are events of some very cultural significance , but considering the waste,"witch craft" , and superstition involved ; i am often skeptical of these events. I am so glad you brought up the issue of internet vis-a -vis "solimas". I think these events and concepts are vestiges of "primitive" societies. They are not likely to be found in modern , progressive societies. Certainly I cannot put my kids through these...
With the kind of statements above, i reserve my comments. Are you saying that circumcision is not progressive?
Its sad that for our "civilised" africans, anything of culture is considered primitive and backward.
Like the WolOf say: LINGA DON SO KO BANYE, DAFA FEKA NGA GEN SAI NYAW |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 03:16:48
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Kondorong:
"Its sad that for our "civilised" africans, anything of culture is considered primitive and backward."
BornAfrican:
Kondorong, your physical size might be that of a midget (lol) but you see too far.
one thing i appreciate about Jolas is the degree to which they kept their culture. they haven't let go their culture for foreign ideologies which plagued Africa over the past centuries.
Professor Ali Mazrui talked about the de-africanisation in his book:"The Africans, A triple Heritage". He restricted this de-africanisation process to those africans who were taken away during the slave trade to Europe and America. the slaves were told that they are black but not Africans. they were made embarassed to be called Africans.
unfortunately, one doesn't need to look critically to see that this process (de-africanisation) isn't restricted to only those African decendants in the Diaspora. Africans within Africa are made ashamed to associate themselves with their cultures. this is due to the fact that when both christianity and islam came, our cultures and and beliefs were branded evil. we were made to ditch this rich and precious way of life that generations of Africans died to perfect and we even turned against each other. those traditional africans who refused to embrace these new and foreign cultures became outcasts of their societies which were built with their own sweat and blood. if memory serves me right, it was as a result of this foreign influence and dominance that Foday Kabba Dumbuya turtured the Jolas.
Konds you are right, our cultures are branded primitive by ourselves. we are letting go everything that have been practiced and perfected by our ancestors.
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salimina
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Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 03:52:26
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Bornafrican,
I wish the trio;you, me and kondoron can meet at one place celebrating this historical significance. It might not be some peoples cuppa but i think it says a lot about us.Culture is unique.The western values that we all adhered to has cultural connotations.People of any origin be it chinese,indian, whites celebrates their cultural gabbages if you like but they hold it as part of their heritage.Let us not fool ourselves. Mr kondo and BornAfrican where can i find the next KASAYE BOYO? |
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ylowe
USA
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Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 05:46:32
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| Kondorong, you can count me cause i heard some good stuff about this event. i am not a "solima" by the way. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 07:23:19
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Kondorong:
Please read my words (maybe I wasn't too clear), I did not say that "circumcision" (for boys) is primitive. I did however say that I am skeptical of the circumstances in which it is conducted : waste , witchcraft , and superstition. Witchcraft and superstition are certainly primitive. They have no place in a modern society be it African or western. The kind of superstitious teaching received in this rituals do not arm you to succeed in the modern world but rather they may become a fetter to reason and enlightenment.
BornAfrican talked about Dr. Mazrui's celebrated book "Africa the Triple Heritage" (also in audio-visual). In that book Mazrui went to great pains to distinguish "modernization" and "westernization". We as Africans do not deserve to live today like our ancestors did hundreds of years ago. We don't have to use the mortar and the pestle , we do not have to eat with our bare hands,we do not have to squat under the cow every morning to draw the milk by hand, we do not have to practice witchcraft and believe in superstitions. Are these what you guys call culture?
What is culture ? Is culture static ? or is culture in a constant transition? What you guys call African culture or western culture is actually nothing but illusion.If you take a thorough examination of yourself , you will probably see elements of many cultures across the world. That is the characteristic of modern man.
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 14:32:00
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| kondo , by the way i am not a solima either. you may have an idea where i come from .i have attended ngansin kanto cultural janbori but i am making a distinction between an ordinary circumcission occassion and the jola celebrated nyaka boyo or kasaye boyo. this occassion i was told involve many things deemed peculiar. that is what i was referring to. i lived among jolas in talinding for three years but the subject of nyaka boyo or kasaye boyo is not openly discussed. grown up males and females attend this bush tucka rituals and the extra-matrital stuff's that take is what many adhore. i am a cultural man and i want us to reserve progressive cultures and way of life not just wallop every thing together disquise as culture. i wanted fisrt hand account ,and you kondo doesn't seems to have an idea either .i was told ,in the occassion ,a man's wive is not his when at the occassion ,she can cohabit with any one ,i don't really believe in this account ,that is why i am a bit surprise as why my friends friend mr badjie would travel to casamace for this occassion. well i will leave it at that not to offend any ones feeling . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 17:21:56
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Originally posted by mansasulu
What is a SOLIMA?
I asked this question not because I dont know the answer, but I wanted this discussion to open up. I am a serer by birth, but speak mandinka as my mother tongue, so I do know what solima is in the literal sense. However, my question is does one have to attend the traditional KASAYE BOYO to be classified as a "FULL NON SOLIMA."?
I have heard some of the troubling stuff along the lines of what Santa said as far as some of the things that take place at these "cultural" events. I have never attended one or being in one mainly because when I was circumcised, I recuperated at home and not in the tradinional KASAYE BOYO setting. We took showers, changed clothes, and we not subjected to any of the hazying or that type of thing.
Frankly, we can talk about preserving culture all we want, but there is nothing to preserve in witchcraft, sexual promiscuity, and other deviant acts in some of these cultural events. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 17:58:05
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Kondorong:
Please read my words (maybe I wasn't too clear), I did not say that "circumcision" (for boys) is primitive.
Kayjatta
Did you borrow that phrase from George Bush Senior when he said "..read my lips..."[:D]
That statement cost him his re-election
I understand culture is dynamic and changes with time. However, it does not completely change and i believe this programme is one of those things someof us retain as we evolve in life. To believe that everything changes is to dream with one's eyes open. |
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