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Santanfara
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 Posted - 19 Jul 2007 : 01:05:38
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today i was watching a palestinian cultural festival and a smooth arab music was played. there dance is just like the irish dance. you know dancing on toes. someone told me the irish stole the dance from the arabs .is this true ? how can that be possible ? i know elves stole rock and roll from african americans and then turn it main stream white music but tap dancing from arabs ? meme what say you about this ....
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 19 Jul 2007 : 09:46:48
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| Santanfara, what are you doing watching a Palistinian festival? I though you would be cruising my beautiful country these days! Did you give away your ticket to Holland to travel to the Middle East? Didn't you know the Dutch can tapdance on clogs (our famous wooden shoes) - no, this is a joke of course, we have music festivals in here with music from all over the world. By the way, i love this Irish (Celtic?) tapdancing, the rythm is addictive. You're right, let's see what MeMe has to say. I'm sure she's a great Scottish tapdancer herself (did you know that while dancing they jump over swords?). |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jul 2007 : 15:06:10
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Originally posted by Santanfara
today i was watching a palestinian cultural festival and a smooth arab music was played. there dance is just like the irish dance. you know dancing on toes. someone told me the irish stole the dance from the arabs .is this true ? how can that be possible ? i know elves stole rock and roll from african americans and then turn it main stream white music but tap dancing from arabs ? meme what say you about this ....
Well, commenting as a fellow Celt (I'm Scottish though not Irish)I can see there could be some truth in this as it is widely believed that the bagpipes have their origin in the Middle East. Starting their lives as a sort of flute with a bag attached they are even mentioned (in the original language,Aramaic)in many sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra. Aramaic is the main language of the Talmud. During the twelfth century BCE, Aramaeans, the native speakers of Aramaic, began to settle in great numbers in modern-day Syria, Iraq and eastern Turkey.
The earliest non-religious or spiritual reference to a bagpipe occurs around 400 BC, when Aristophones, the Athenian poet jibed that the pipers of Thebes (an enemy of Athens) blew pipes made of dogskin with chanters made of bone. Several hundred years later, the Roman Emperor Nero is reported to have said he would play the bagpipe in public as a penance for not winning a poetry contest. There have been findings of statuettes of bagpipers in Roman era archaeological digs in England which would suggest that they introduced them to good old Britannia. There are a few Pictish (old Scots)and Irish stone carvings which record the continued existence of bagpipes during this time too.
Of course we (us Scots!) then cleverly took this magnificent instrument and used it to put the fear of all that is holy into any/all enemies before and during battles! After all, unlike the rest of mainland Britain, the Romans couldn't conquer us 
Sorry, Santa, have taken us away from the dancing here .....
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 19 Jul 2007 : 19:33:09
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MeMe, i am flabbergasted. Had no idea you were so well-read (thought Barbara Cartland was more your style).
Oh my, wasn't i proud to see these Dutch farmers doing the klomp-jumpstyle :-( Thank you so much for sharing this with us on Bantaba. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 10:43:47
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Santanfara
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Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 23:59:49
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anna , i watch the event as part of a cultural awareness week for palestine. people then to put out only the religious conflict but in palestine ,christians and some other minorites have some influence as well.they also have there distinct culture and dress sense. i am an african ,we have more than a handful of our own problems but for palestine ,there welfare is never ending .
with my holiday plans ,it is still in the pipe line. i book a hostel in amsterdam last week but i couldn't make that .i have some other family issues .the hotel is call hert of amsterdam .it is a hostel for short visitors and the price is very reasonable. i don't like hotels .
our scot sister did not accept or deny the origin of the tap dancing music. meme . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 11:19:20
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You got me there, Santa I've browsed my beloved Wikipedia and here's what I found .... The traditional Irish dance you and Anna were talking about is a form of step dance - a dance style where the footwork is the most important part of the dance with body and arm movements either restricted or considered irrelevant. Other step dances include Tap, Clogging, Canadian step dance, Cape Breton step dance, some forms of Scots and English folk dance and Malambo from Argentina. Another form of step dancing, Stepping, has been popularized by National Pan-Hellenic Council (an umbrella organization for nine historically black, international Greek lettered US university fraternities and sororities). Each of the nine NPHC organisations evolved during a period when African-Americans were being denied essential rights and privileges afforded other college students. This step dance has African roots and is an African American tradition as well as part of Black History.
So you see we could all be from the same family, you, me and Anna
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 12:27:46
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| meme ,so you scots ,the irish and english who are the better dancers ? for gambians they like music but they can't even dance .the senegalise dance better .gambians always copy the senegalise dance style.funny. do the english like to copy the scots dance ? the dutch i was told a are better dancers than the germans ,is this also true. i am not into any of it so i cannot verify any of it. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 14:39:32
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| I've got two left feet so it's no good asking me |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 15:08:18
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Originally posted by Santanfara
meme ,so you scots ,the irish and english who are the better dancers ? for gambians they like music but they can't even dance .the senegalise dance better .gambians always copy the senegalise dance style.funny. do the english like to copy the scots dance ? the dutch i was told a are better dancers than the germans ,is this also true. i am not into any of it so i cannot verify any of it.
Santanfara,
You can speak only for yourself.The only difference is that they have their school of Arts where they learn dansing. If you know Joe Buzanski of Senegal then you might have an answer. Joe is not a European. He is from Guinea but lives and teaches in Dakar. There is also Tom from the Ivory cost.
Remember the Senegalese cannot dans "SAARA" or "KHOHMBEL". They cannot even beat to their rythms.
I hope you follow the developments of the culture at home. Senegal copies a lot from the Gambia. PUSSGAMBALis another style from the Gambia during the "FANAL" days. Most of these steps are not known to the Senegalese. |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 18:39:40
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MeMe, i have got two left feet as well. So yes, we must come from the same family - i bet Santanfara is not a good dancer either.
Santanfara, i don't know about Germans being worse dancers than Dutch. But when i am in the Gambia and there's a dance going on and some Gambian dancers invite white tourists to the dancefloor, i get to be embarrassed 90% (because there are always some exceptions to the rule) of the time: white people cannot move like black people can. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 Jul 2007 : 14:21:16
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| anna , i will let my uncle alhasan train me some moves then .or may be toubab . alpha kondo can train me on the chore mama tamba wulen anna,you may be lost on that one .it is a traditional kankuran dance .momodou i was told know some moves in the kankuran dance .true or false .alhasan what moves can i start with? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 08:28:31
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Santanfara,
Avery nice piece. As I am not good at Kankurang dancing, I would recomend the people from FURLUNG or Janjanbureh. They are experts otherwise the Kabunkas too have their own. I am not sure if they are the same ie. Kabu Kankurang and the ones from Furlung or Janjanbureh. I can dans DAGADAG and NJUK or NDELUM if you know them. I am more of a talking Jeli. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 11:04:14
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| alhasan ,thanks .but i was lost there . i never heard of dagadak and the rest. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 11:25:32
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Santanfara,
Dagadag is a Serer dance. The Serer have a lot of dances similar to the Wollof. It has the same basic moves but different from the Wollof. N'delum is another dance only done during the male circumcision time(LELL)It is only danced when the period is over. IE after calling "MAM". This is typical Wollof tradition. The last time I witnessed Ndelum was during the Queens visit at home and it was performed by elderly men. The Wollofs on the bantaba can elaborate more on N'delum |
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