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Santanfara
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 Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 16:23:18
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i was send a dvd of jalibas music but the sender did not indicate himself. i suspect it may be one of my close friends. i did not watch it ,.am i right to say that jaliba enhance wastage in our society.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 16:53:11
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| Perhaps I as a Scottish person shouldn't be replying to this, Santa, but I have watched a video of Jaliba in concert and was amazed at the fact that members of the audience were continually going up to the stage to shove a wad of bank notes into a basket in front of this guy and even trying to put the money about his person. Some of the audience even came back several times to do this. When I asked one of the Gambians who were also watching this music video if Jaliba was perhaps performing a sort of benefit concert and these people were making a donation I was met with much laughter and told that he is praising people and being paid for this (but also getting paid to perform and for the rights of the video too, no doubt?). I've read about the griot tradition and understand that there are those who earn their living this way (at naming ceremonies, etc I think) but surely this is a bit over-the-top when it comes to a professional artist's concert. Maybe I'm being naive here though and please don't think I'm commenting on Gambian tradition or even feeling superior in any way .... I suppose I'm used to our western disposable society and its wastage and am only too aware of the great divide between rich and poor even here in the UK yet I was still shocked at the phenomenon. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 20:03:19
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Originally posted by MeMe
Perhaps I as a Scottish person shouldn't be replying to this, Santa, but I have watched a video of Jaliba in concert and was amazed at the fact that members of the audience were continually going up to the stage to shove a wad of bank notes into a basket in front of this guy and even trying to put the money about his person. Some of the audience even came back several times to do this. When I asked one of the Gambians who were also watching this music video if Jaliba was perhaps performing a sort of benefit concert and these people were making a donation I was met with much laughter and told that he is praising people and being paid for this (but also getting paid to perform and for the rights of the video too, no doubt?). I've read about the griot tradition and understand that there are those who earn their living this way (at naming ceremonies, etc I think) but surely this is a bit over-the-top when it comes to a professional artist's concert. Maybe I'm being naive here though and please don't think I'm commenting on Gambian tradition or even feeling superior in any way .... I suppose I'm used to our western disposable society and its wastage and am only too aware of the great divide between rich and poor even here in the UK yet I was still shocked at the phenomenon.
MeMe,
The girots(GUEWEL, JALO, GAWOLO) of West Africa still live as they have done for the past centuries. They have contributed a lot in the history fo our people. Apart from bring entertainers, they have been peace makers, history narrators advisers to the Royal families and the most important integration. Marrage between people outside the language grup was a taboo.In the olden days the division of labour was very distinct. A gold and silver smith(NUMO) or lether workers(FARABO) could not marry other people of other occupations although they were all farmers. The Jeli(giriots) coulld marry neither of the abive nor the socalled GUERR in Wollof. Most people said they had spirits(NYAMAKALAYA) that they take you so that when ever they ask you for something you would give it away. This was not true but the fact that people enjoyed the and felt it in their marrow bones just gave all they could so that the music goes on. The singing of prases was another. It was the giriots who started to marry accross the language groups because they saw tit was to their advantage. They could learn the language of their partner for a better understanding and so on. After that others copied their examples of integration and the resulst are quite distinct. Today we have names from all language groups withn other language groups.
Jaliba is not a professional artist in the western context. He has not been to music schools or accuared a digree or diploma. But he has the professional skills. He combines both to suit his platform. Jaliba has no recording contract to ensure him stable incom in comparism to Youssou N'dure or Solo Sissokho. Although Solo too does Jaliya withn his SeneGambian friends. It is difficult to explain here on the forum because of space and intepration of som African terms ect.
The Gambians in the Diaspora that engage Jaliba should try to have contacts with producers to enable them to have contracts. His juniors from Birkama Sanchaba Jobarteh kunda has the same skills but have come very close to professional promoters to enable them make CDs for distribution in the US and Europe up to Japan. One of Gambias best koraplayers(Tata Dindin) does not stay at hoime for a long time because of recoding contracts. Gambians normally do not promot their musicians. They would rather bring them to Europe or the US to play for the Gambian communnity only and then go home. No contacts with journalists or workshops or seminars to showcase the talents of the musicians.
Meme because of space and time I would refer you to www.jalikunda.se for more info about the Jaliya.
These are some of my observations as one of the Jalis on the forum.
I hope this debate would end up with goo suggestions and results as I am particular in giving our culture aplatform in the European instutions. We have started with the school of Music College in Malmö, Sweden.
Choose the English version if you can't understand Swedish. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 10:43:34
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Thanks, Alhassan, I'll definitely check this site out .... in English though as the only Swedish I know is tacksemuke (spelling will be wrong, I know!).
I suppose I was measuring Jaliba's supposed income by the fact that he's so famous and well-travelled and I imagined that he must be richer than many of those who were giving him their money - maybe I assumed incorrectly though? |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 15:27:00
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| lady meme ,you are very right to assume that people throw money at jaliba without proper consideration. and many of this people are not ilitrates some are graduates and high officers. i show a vedio of one jaliba shows where the former morjority leader in our parliament throw a bundle of cash at jaliba as soon he started singing baba jobe some thing some thing .what a nonsence.report heard it that after that ,baba was handcuf.this is crazy ,even yahya himself splash the cash out and about .this encourages corruptions and showmanship .i adhore it . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 18:37:33
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There is little to blame Jaliba. Word has it that Jaliba was in the bad books of president Jammeh. To sustain his operations in Gambia, Jaliba resorted to survival strategies. One such strategy was to accept staging a show for the ruling party elites. These are not people only seeking social recognistion. They also stand in the crowd to show solidarity with their chief patron Jammeh who started dishing out plain new bunch of bank notes in public without counting how much. For other party big shots to do that, is only a show of their readiness to copy what the big man wants. It is above all, a way to show that Gambia is nice. Therefore, Jaliba is not to blame but the men and women dishing out money without counting, are to blame. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 11:11:07
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Originally posted by Karamba
There is little to blame Jaliba. Word has it that Jaliba was in the bad books of president Jammeh. To sustain his operations in Gambia, Jaliba resorted to survival strategies. One such strategy was to accept staging a show for the ruling party elites. These are not people only seeking social recognistion. They also stand in the crowd to show solidarity with their chief patron Jammeh who started dishing out plain new bunch of bank notes in public without counting how much. For other party big shots to do that, is only a show of their readiness to copy what the big man wants. It is above all, a way to show that Gambia is nice. Therefore, Jaliba is not to blame but the men and women dishing out money without counting, are to blame.
well karamba ,that is another way of looking at it .but i just feel that he jaliba can better protect his trade by being systematic.he may charge gate fees for those who wish to attend his shows or charge a fix prize for those who personally invited him. i remember solo darboe inviting amie koyter in 1980 in his son's naming ceremony ,that boy was name after sekou touray of geunea .he splah so much money ,people became worried .but that is his business income .he gave her a brand new benz ,i don't see the wisdom behind all that culture .pay at the gate on entry to the show or gave him in private. our neigbours the senegalise don't do that at shows ,or do they do it as well ? i remember yahya saying he will stop that practice when he newly seized power.may be he forgot about saying ,since jaliba is jilankaraning him. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 15:35:00
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| Brother Santa, i heard of an incident in Sukuta where the boys confiscated his money at the end of one of his shows on the pretext that it was their mother's and sisters nakoo (garden produce) money. I hope some of our brothers and sisters from sukuta can throw more light on this...! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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