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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
 Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 00:21:26
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Doesn't matter - i seem to have stepped on toes all evening myself. Four months? Well, i got 12 weeks a year (which is not bad) and my fulltime working week (43 hours on the manager's paper but in reality a few hours more) makes up for that. We pay our own holiday, you know.
I love my job, have been teaching almost 30 years now and the pay is not even too bad. But nothing 'rich' about it, and promotion opportunities are almost nil - unless you are very ambitious so you can become a manager. Never a student in sight anymore...so not for me. I think you made a fine teacher, you are always teaching all of us here. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 10:24:52
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Follow the link below,this shameful matter is resolved,but the son is still out of pocket!
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2143.htm
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 10:36:35
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this happened to a family i know, the father had sent over a car for them to use as a taxi so they could support themselves pay school fees and build up the compund they were stuck between taking the family member to court or keeping quiet.
I personally would have sued but they chose not too. result on member of the family getting away with theft who is now branded a thief, but can still break bread with the family. what a situation. At the end of the day blood is thicker than water, but the father should make amends. It should not have to go to court, the father should know what he has do.
It is the father who has to be blamed. but why did it go to this style of court and not local Cadi court.
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 10:40:53
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Follow the link below,this shameful matter is resolved,but the son is still out of pocket!
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2143.htm
TOUBAB ,you are a star . this will atleast teach some dady lifers a lesson.instead of them thinking and acting constructive all they dream of is the next nmanyo .so sad .the son was betrayed and heart broken .he took extreme measures but ,he should calm dowm and let the embarrasement drowm the old man .it is true we can't repay our parents but our parents shouldn't set bad examples .
anna was right in her statement that this older generation olny have the wrong impression about the west .but i don't entirely blame the older and some younger generations in the gambia ,the socall semesters create this bad atmosphire. some times you see gambians back home behaving in a very inappropraite manners .from parents to young people ,every one is brain washed.the false pretentinon is the cause of all this. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 10:53:06
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santanfara, loved your posting, i get why the son took the father to court, it was about justice and owning up tothe fact you had done wrong to your family.
common sense has prevailed. a pity they did not step in sooner, it takes money to go to court. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 12:03:03
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Anna, in Uk teachers have 13 weeks holiday. I spend about 4 weeks of that working....about 2 weeks of it sleeping and being ill!  Some catching up on all the stuff we are not allowed time off from work for: dentist, doctors, home deliveries, workmen calling to do jobs etc..... I reckon I have about 6 weeks 'proper' holidays. Which is great.
I work at least 50 hours a week and sometims 60. All that paperwork!!
The wage is good enough, but not great. Other grduate professions in Uk earn more money. Doctors, dentist, solicitors etc..... I feel that teaching has been down graded in the UK over the years.
However the job satisfaction is fantastic, when you see your pupils developing well.  |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
541 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 12:22:12
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Originally posted by concort
Konds I agree with you...I would have taken the same stance by not disgracing my father out in public. Even though the son was ripped off, betrayed or fooled, he should have tried discussing the matter within the family. It sounds like the son sued the father because of the increased pressure coming from his partner. In Islam, we were always taught not to even raise your voice over your parents while speaking; as we could not possible pay them back for caring for us since birth.
I don't intend to offend anyone but i think that the son actions were motivated mainly just to please his partner. As stated, his father has already larvished the said funds/assets involved. By visiting mile 2 prisons could further divide the family. Two wrongs would never equal to a right.
I have to agree with Anna here, Consort (and any others who agree with his statement!)is over-simplifying this whole sorry affair if he thinks that directing all the blame on the European partner resolves it!! Yes, ok I understand that muslims are brought up respecting their parents but I'm sure that the Qu'ran also teaches that husbands/wives should respect their partners so that line of reasoning doesn't really wash (in my eyes anyway!).
Bottom line here is the fact that other people can often be free and easy with someone else's hard-earned cash, thinking it's their right to take it and not choosing to think about the sacrifices that person may have had to make in order to get the money in the first place. That's what make this so galling!
And for the record, respect is earned not given. (The world according to me  ) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 12:26:15
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Me Me I agree 100%.
Alot of Gambians have no idea how hard we have to work for our money, or how expensive things are in UK. To spare some money for my Gambian friends is not easy at all. |
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inez
279 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 13:45:24
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The lesson seem to be that one should never have any kind of business matters with family members in the Gambia since they have right to take anything their children/their partners living in Europe has managed to save over the years. So many people have been treated that way by their own family members and they are still expected to be 100% loyal and keep sending money after every phonecall from the Gambia. They are even made less worthy as human beings if they donīt come back home with bling bling and brand new car. How does that go with religion?
If blood is thicker...why doesnīt that then go both ways? It should be also in parents interest to help their children, atleast to take the best care of their investments, it might give more in long run for the family in the Gambia, since this way people will stop developing anything there together with their families. Sometimes I just donīt get the way of thinking that parents have the complet right to behave anyhow and get full respect for that, that is missused and children are suffering. Respect both ways, we donīt own our children and should not use them as our slaves! |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 14:54:20
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Inez, you are so right! Indeed, no 'business investments' ever again as far as i am concerned. So the matter is 'resolved', but nobody will be happy with the outcome and i suppose the European wife will realise she could just as well have thrown her money in the dustbin. Jambo, the story about the taxi (suppose you meant the son gave it to them, not the father) sounds painfully familiar. The trouble is, lots of European/Gambian relationships go sour because of money matters. I can see it happening around me, and i find myself furiously mad from time to time because of all the ridiculous demands, which also embarrass my partner who is now familiar with my world of mortgage, local and government taxation, insurance premiums etc.
Sorry i lost my cool last night, but i felt like being stung by a mammoth-bee. Sure, blame the white woman, why not?
Pity we didn't hear from Mr or Ms Concort again. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 15:39:59
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| Not to further inflame any more emotions, I must admit I really enjoyed this exchange from fellow bantaba members. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 16:01:45
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anna, no i meant the father sent it for the son, but the father's younger brother stole the paper and keys.
When I look back and see the things that have happened i do despair. I still want a "business investment" but have to tread carefully. I do try and get facts before I go,, but there is always something that creeps up and slaps you back down.
Like other memebers of the bantaba, i do not get the " i must have culture" when we give money, note the word "GIVE" we expect it to be used for that purpose, not a car/phone/house etc. If the money i had spent on people had been used properly there would be two people who would have gone through catering/hotel college. one family would have had a shop, a house would have been built and I would have had a business. while i can get over the business for myself, i cannot get over the loss of education chances for others. I have not gone that road again.
i made peace with two families on my last trip, but when i look at them i can see the struggle they have. BUT IT IS NOTE ON MY CONSCIOUS. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 16:12:33
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just in case you are wondering why i went back, i wanted to bury the hatchet and start a fresh. which is what i am doing. I have chabged strategy and looking in different areas.
i still think i could have a life. |
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concort
365 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 16:52:06
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Anna, I did not respond because I respect your opinion and you should respect mind as well. We both have a complete different upbringing in two different worlds. Just for the record, I'm 33 years young fellow and yes, Santa could call me old. (LOL):-)
Seriouly thought, my intention was neither to step on your toes, nor to elevate your blood pressure.I concur that what the father did was wrong. Nonetheless, the whole issue could have been discussed/settled without the national embarassment. This issue has nothing to do with the "young and Old generation" as insinuated by uncle Santa. This is about right and wrong. Better still, the family issue should not be a public chastisement for everyone to ponder over.We should learn to forgive and give people second chances. This is my opinion and I'm out of this topic. |
As Salamu Alaikum Waramatullah Wabarakatu |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 17:27:54
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Originally posted by jambo
It is the father who has to be blamed. but why did it go to this style of court and not local Cadi court.
The Cadi Courst sit over marital issues and inheritance. Besides, you have a right to not have your case heard in an Islamic Court. |
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