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Jack



Belgium
384 Posts

Posted - 28 Jun 2007 :  11:56:56  Show Profile Send Jack a Private Message
Karoningo are a small tribe close to the Jola, most of them living in the southern part of the GAMBIA (Kartong, Gunjur)and the Casamance.
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mbay

Germany
1007 Posts

Posted - 28 Jun 2007 :  14:47:08  Show Profile Send mbay a Private Message
Am very appreciated, thanks.

quote:
Originally posted by Jack

Karoningo are a small tribe close to the Jola, most of them living in the southern part of the GAMBIA (Kartong, Gunjur)and the Casamance.


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mansasulu



997 Posts

Posted - 28 Jun 2007 :  14:48:34  Show Profile Send mansasulu a Private Message
To add to what Jack said, I believe they are a subethnic group of the Jolas. I dont know what their make up of the total population is.

"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)

...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah...
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Sibo



Denmark
231 Posts

Posted - 28 Jun 2007 :  15:08:59  Show Profile Send Sibo a Private Message

Most of them are non-muslims too and there are lot of them living in Brufut too
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 28 Jun 2007 :  15:23:48  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
GAMCOTRAP LEAFLET 1:A woman's rite link http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-125490114.html["Around 80 per cent of girls in the Gambia undergo this procedure. Seven of the nine major ethnic groups practise female genital mutilation (FGM) at ages from shortly after birth until 18 years old"].




"Main article: Demographics of The Gambia
A wide variety of ethnic groups live in The Gambia with a minimum of intertribal friction, each preserving its own language and traditions. The Mandinka tribe is the largest, followed by the Fula, Wolof, Jola, and . The approximately 3,500 non-African residents include Europeans and families of Lebanese origin (roughly 0.23% of the total population)."

MY NINE ETHNIC GROUPS are mainly descendents and settlers into the Gambia since colononial era; as follows:

Mandinka; Fula; Wolof; Jola; Serrahule; Serere; Bambara; Creole (Aku pickin!).

Hope that all of us would remember the good old days when we live harminiously as common cititizens of The Gambia, school days and the social events, carnivals etc.




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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 29 Jun 2007 :  15:31:14  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
I have tried to get this NEARLY RIGHT but discovered that there are more than NINE so-called tribes. Attempts tp re-consider them made me to categorised them as follows:

FIVE INDEGENOUS TRIBES (i.e. First SETTLERS): MANDINKO; FULA (includes Tukulorr), WOLLOF, JOLA & SERREHULE.

Historical references might be about MANDINK EMPIRE, BURR SALOUM, KAYORR ETC for SENE-GAMBIA (i.e. Both Senegal and Gambia. However Sene-Gambia existed only during the confederation aftermath of 1981 Kukoi's foiled coup by the Senegalese.)

SEVEN OTHER SETTLERS INCLUDED: Creole (Portugese or what?); Akus'( Seirra Leone or what?); Serere; Bambara; Manjago; Lebanese; Berbers or Mauritanians.

That sums up to TWELVE for the historians to delve into. Kons thats your arena.

Integrated topic: Egypt outlaws female circumcision under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3925

Thanks!

Edited by - kobo on 29 Jun 2007 15:36:20
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 10 Sep 2007 :  01:51:43  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
Related World Religion topic:Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem? (from Bantaba archives )for reference/updates under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2773

AND Gambia Cultural forum topic (from Bantaba archives) Amie Bojang-Sissoho of GAMCOTRAP speaks about FGM under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3273

Hopefully when debate ends or in progress admin@gambia.dk would attend to conduct a survey under opinion polls on either questions as follows:

1)Whether the practise of FGM should be outlawed in The Gambia?
YES
NO
NEUTRAL

2) Is there the need or importance for Gambia government to properly consider for legislation on the practise of FGM?

YES
NO
NEUTRAL

Edited by - kobo on 10 Sep 2007 02:23:23
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kayjatta



2978 Posts

Posted - 10 Sep 2007 :  19:09:34  Show Profile Send kayjatta a Private Message
I guess the author meant to write "unbilical cord" , a wrong term in this sense. No adult carries the unbilical cord , it is cut shortly after birth. It used to be the connection between mother and unborn baby for the movement of nutrients and waste products. The proper words are "navel" and "belly button".
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Prince



507 Posts

Posted - 10 Sep 2007 :  22:56:32  Show Profile Send Prince a Private Message
Though I don't agree/foresee myself having piecings on my bellybutton, I find it totally ridiculous that some people are equating body piecing of consenting "ADULTS" to female genital mutilation/circumcision of minors.

Its time that all these psychos who want to tell adults -who are legally running their personal lives- be put away from the public sphere. Sadly, many improvised people and pseudo-intellectuals are still listening to these psychos.

"When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty."
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mansasulu



997 Posts

Posted - 17 Oct 2007 :  17:25:17  Show Profile Send mansasulu a Private Message
Female circumcision is not FGM!

"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)

...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah...
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jambo



3300 Posts

Posted - 17 Oct 2007 :  18:08:44  Show Profile Send jambo a Private Message
then what is it, after being in africa and other places people think it is the same thing, you cannot have one with out the other, FGM is female circumcision, it is the way it is performed that makes a difference.
that fact that it is needed is another issue.
how many males on the bantaba would like their female family members to have it done.
it has now place in religion
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mansasulu



997 Posts

Posted - 17 Oct 2007 :  19:16:02  Show Profile Send mansasulu a Private Message
I have numerous family members who had undergone Female Circumcision and as far as I know, they have had no adverse effects or complications whatsoever. Most of them are at child birth age and have successfully had children. None of them said they were mutilated.

"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)

...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah...
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jambo



3300 Posts

Posted - 18 Oct 2007 :  09:31:20  Show Profile Send jambo a Private Message
would you recommended it, or more importantly would you criticise someone who has not had it done, is it a requirement of faith to have it done, if the answer is no, why the fuss.
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 18 Oct 2007 :  10:55:28  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu

Female circumcision is not FGM!




quote:
Originally posted by jambo

then what is it, after being in africa and other places people think it is the same thing, you cannot have one with out the other, FGM is female circumcision, it is the way it is performed that makes a difference. that fact that it is needed is another issue.

how many males on the bantaba would like their female family members to have it done.
it has now place in religion



Mansa!("Female circumcision is not FGM!")

Jambo![("then what is it, after being in africa and other places people think it is the same thing, you cannot have one with out the other, FGM is female circumcision, it is the way it is performed that makes a difference. ")
Mansa You have not answered Jambo on:-

I) WHAT IS FEMALE CIRCUMCISION?
II) WHY FEMALE CIRCUMCISION IS NOT FGM?

Any further reactions please

Edited by - kobo on 18 Oct 2007 10:59:24
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mansasulu



997 Posts

Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  15:28:41  Show Profile Send mansasulu a Private Message
No. I think we will all have to agree to disagree on this one.

"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)

...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah...
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