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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 13:10:15
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Kobo.....
I am SO ANGRY!
It takes two you know!
What about the behaviour of the boys before marriage? Doesnt that matter?
What a poor reason for doing this to young girls. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 15:08:21
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Bev please don't be ANGRY! Just try to be reasonable as society and civilisation advances through time. These are social norms, traditional, cultural and ultimately integrated as religious practice (Islam) voluntarily done by family consent and not individually chosen by those who underwent through it. Now we have modernised and developed a lot. This was a physical means of deterrent and now challenged or considered un-wanted as campaign by anti-FGMs etc. There are lots of ways and approaches to help a society develope itself. Its a matter of CHOICE AND CONVICTION if you beame SOBER of the subject matter, issues and challenges for yourself. As much as the physical approach by undergoing that therapy under the knife. Now education, orietation and even psychology (mental development) is helping society developes. Don't discount brain-washing to convince somebody as many don't even consider repercussions (if any later).
No need to be ANDRY or worry as the operation can be handel with care and those willing to continue the practise will not SUFFER HEALTHWISE, MORALLY AND EMOTIONALLY as they would have good self-esteem and privacy. Its a matter of counselling and privacy, because some cultutral and religious norms are difficilt to eliminate. Lets debate and appreciate that its not about scoring points or winning. Its all about education, knowing the RISKS, negative effects and positive effects and why there is always FAITH to continue with certain MORMS!
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 19:08:56
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Gambiabev,
What you mentioned about female circumcision on children shows you reserve ammple sympathy for this vulnerable young members of society. Keepers of this tradition will tell you that children at certain age do not bear much the same impact as adults do. No wonder baby boys pass through it on day one or week after birth. Others have it done on grown up ladies and they turn the event into a joyous celebration. At end of day, the women who pass through these rituals get both excited and satisfied much the same way a woman choosing plastic surgery, piercing and genital surgery. If women are given the choice and they still prefer the act of circumcision, that is fair enough. If they are forced then that is a different issue. More women fall under the surgery knife for want of enhancing sexuality in the name of style and fashion. Will anyone dare call that MUTILATION ? From what I have read in the article on Daily Observer, Imam Fatty argues that female circumcision is not considered an act of MUTILATING as referred by critics of the act. Kobo mentioned education. That is valid. If the keepers of female circumcision can accept to be educated in the best of interests, that will be the most fulfilling solution. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 11:50:02
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I don't like the word "MUTILATION" as medically a tissue or a piece of flesh is cut (neatly and with care!!).
Sab also mentioned about as adverse as reaching the bone and GREATER RISKS |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 13:34:34
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| Any cuts to the genitals reaching a person's bones will be different story. You will be telling the story of a corpse. With the low levels of medical facilities, it is unthinkable a young female can be hurt that deep. Sorry to imagine this. |
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2007 : 10:21:56
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| what is the difference between genital mutilation and circumcision? Its seems the same to me. |
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2007 : 10:29:09
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To Kobo
circumcision does not stop any sexual temptation, thats just some bull**** they tell people. when one is tempted sexually there is no difference if one is married or not, the temptation is the same. If its suppose to stop young girls fron havíng sex, what about when htey get married? |
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jambo
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Posted - 11 Jun 2007 : 10:33:06
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| fgm as a deterrent for women to have sex before marriage, and what WHAT IS THE DETERRENT FOR MEN. |
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2007 : 10:57:07
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| I would like to know that too Jambo |
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Janky
United Kingdom
92 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2007 : 14:19:07
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| All I know is a Gambian friend of mine, a young woman, had this done when she was small, against her wishes I may add. She told me that she just LAYS there when her husband wants sex and doesnt feel anything. There is no exicitment or sexual feelings for her, obviously her husband has. I may be naive when it comes to tradition but it seems to me that all the TRADITIONS are to the benefit of the MALE SPECIES |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 11 Jun 2007 : 23:44:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Janky
[br]All I know is a Gambian friend of mine, a young woman, had this done when she was small, against her wishes I may add. She told me that she just LAYS there when her husband wants sex and doesnt feel anything. There is no exicitment or sexual feelings for her, obviously her husband has. I may be naive when it comes to tradition but it seems to me that all the TRADITIONS are to the benefit of the MALE SPECIES
in as much as we may dislike fgm but going beyong what is realistic and belieavable is not acceptable. we should not let the cheap take on the issue let us be bull****ting. it may be wrong ,it may not be necessary but let us not be over malicious. if some thing is deemed unacceptable to you that is fine ,remember it is people we are talking about.what is in other cultures that need bev's ranting heey ? we have over discussed this topic here. so let sleeping dogs lay. the people on the grounds are doing there bit. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 14:17:10
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Originally posted by Sibo
To Kobo
circumcision does not stop any sexual temptation, thats just some bull**** they tell people. when one is tempted sexually there is no difference if one is married or not, the temptation is the same. If its suppose to stop young girls fron havíng sex, what about when htey get married?
That was the traditional approach for DETERRENT before society advances, modernisation and advance of science and technology. There is a cultural educational or orientation program in addition to the knife (i.e. The cut) during healing process. You gather lots of knowledge and initiations to very confidential programs etc. Its AN INSITUTION and many are proud to gain a lot on the POSITIVES and cultural orientation of developing yourself (either male or female) and understanding life as you mature.
Integrated topic by Sibo FGM:"Can someone tell me what FGM stands for?????? "http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3797
Is it actually MUTILATION? Thats butchery and wicked and I repeat again that I don't like the word like "fanatism!" "fundamentalism!" extremism!" etc
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 15:07:31
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Kobo, I agree with you in the point:
"There is a cultural educational or orientation program in addition to the knife (i.e. The cut) during healing process. You gather lots of knowledge and initiations to very confidential programs etc. Its AN INSITUTION and many are proud to gain a lot on the POSITIVES and cultural orientation of developing yourself (either male or female) and understanding life as you mature."
Gambia could keep up this good tradition but stop MUTILATION. Is it necessary to link these two elements? Like it or not: If you remove a part of the human body which is important for the functioning of the whole, and if you are doing this without medical need, it is called mutilation. 2. FGM means to disable the female body of important functions, ergo: FGM is mutilation 3. I dare saying that having sex with a circumcised woman, a woman who can't act as a sexual subject, is some form of rape. |
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jambo
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 19:31:19
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| thats deep |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 20:01:10
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| It's just logical. |
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