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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
 Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 17:50:19
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luvafrica, first let me make a compliment: I think you are the first here to reveal her/his zodiac sign (as I am interested in astrology, I thought of chosing 'my' Gemini sign for myself, but then I found the Udjat eye, which has always been my personal symbol).
Now for the topic: No question it is almost impossible for an average Gambian family to feed five, six or even more children, but do you really think sterilization is the solution? Do you want to sterilize all Africans?
Of course the birth rate in Gambia is much higher than in Europe. But if you have something in mind like the 'overpopulated Africa', then you are the typical victim of western propaganda. Just look at the statistics:
Gambia has a population of 1,449 Mio. on 11.295 km². This means 142 inhabitants/km², which is rather high for an African country (Ghana, for example, has 91 inhabitants/km²). The population growth rate is 2,66% - starting from a low level. Statistically, a Gambian woman gives birth to 4,8 children; infant mortility is 90 of 1.000 births.
UK has a population of 59,405 Mio. on 242.514 km². This means 246 inhabitants/km².The population growth rate is 0,31% - starting from a high level. Statistically, a British woman gives birth to 1,6 children; infant mortility is 5 of 1.000 births.
These are typical examples. Only China, India, Bangla Desh and a few other south Asian countries have a higher population density than the average 'western' nation (except Australia).
So what about the 'overpopulated 3rd world'? By the way: Do you know about that US proposal on one of the World Population Conferences in the late 50ies or early 60ies? They had the friendly idea to minimize the African population by several actions; encouraging homosexuality was one of the more harmless. How glad these people must be there is AIDS now...
You can find an interesting, but a little bit outdated map on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 18:11:45
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| Luvafrica, both of us have to go by the statistics presented by Serenata. Be careful what you come up with in this forum. There are female list members in this forum hyper intellectually equipped to take ANY person to task. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 18:22:25
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Sterilisation is a very drastic measure of birth control when the infant mortality rate is SO high. IF we can bring down the mortality rate (clean water, good nutrition, fight malaria and hiv ) then perhaps women could be sterilised if they wish.
Imagine being sterilised and then loosing your children to illness.
If I was in Africa I would have at least 6 children! In uk I was happy to have 2 because luckily they would most likely survive.....
Putting any kind of pressure on people to be sterilised is very insensitive. It should be a personal matter, not a matter for the state OR charities to decide.
Sort out Infant Mortality and then the birth rate will gradually decline as people have confidence their family will survive.
Perhaps the men should take the responsiblity and use condoms...preventing pregancy AND HIV etc in one go! |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 18:57:14
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| Men in Africa, those in polygamous marriages, using condoms on their wives should follow a process backed up by education, and not a drastic instantaneous measure. When people are reduced to abject poverty sex, for flesh and soul, becomes one of their major consolations. Thus, the explosive birth rates in poverty cultures. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 19:45:22
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quote:
Originally posted by bamba
Luvafrica, both of us have to go by the statistics presented by Serenata. Be careful what you come up with in this forum. There are female list members in this forum hyper intellectually equipped to take ANY person to task.
Bamba, sic tacuisses.... As the hyperintellectual person you probably detected in me, my razor blade intellect tells me you must have a severe problem with women. Be careful with that, it could lead to heavy frustration.
What a pity. I really enjoyed some of your ideas, but I surely overestimated your mental stature. |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2006 : 20:26:20
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As long as you overestimated my mental stature, please let it drop to average, at least I can still be proud of such a level. Probably you are right, I have problem with women that I always have to drop down to. I prefer women I need to climb the intellectual ladder to reach.
It takes two to fight and Bamba is not fighting. Sorry for the unwilling reception of your fighting mood.
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2006 : 11:51:42
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quote:
Originally posted by bamba
As long as you overestimated my mental stature, please let it drop to average, at least I can still be proud of such a level. Probably you are right, I have problem with women that I always have to drop down to. I prefer women I need to climb the intellectual ladder to reach.
It takes two to fight and Bamba is not fighting. Sorry for the unwilling reception of your fighting mood.
Bamba, stop the nonsense. I am sure we could continue this little power struggle up to eternity, but it leads to nothing. I think we reached the point where it becomes boring for other forum members to read all these vain verbal pirouettes. The more as they become insulting, and insult, my dear, shows a dramatic lack of sovereignty. Let's agree to disagree (to what ever, but the topic does not seem to be of any interest to you) and if you are not fearing to lose your face and feel 'castrated', we should both bow and leave the training mat for this time. |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2006 : 20:38:16
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Where on earth is luvgambia? You started it all and now you seem to leave me alone in this mess. By the look of things, you’ve left me in the lurch to be castigated (castrated) alone. What a show of solidarity! I hope I didn’t scare you away with my warning. Is my warning not validated? Now you see what I have to go through alone. Hello luvafrica! Please come to my rescue.
The ratio in modern mathematics is two men against an iron lady. Or is luvgambia a lady? You never know with all pseudo names nowadays.
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 00:14:05
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Sorry, Bamba -don´t mean to interfear but...stackars dig mannen..
Have you ever heard the Swedish saying "Som man bäddar får man ligga"?
You made the bed, now you should lie in it.
Or perhaps you should send e-mails to those u wanna get personal with. That´s the advice you gave me, rememba dat? 
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 08:28:23
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| Babylon, let's all leave this non-issue and concentrate on more important issues. I am neither vindictive nor stubborn in nature. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 12:03:02
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You´re right. (But sometimes it´s good to be stubborn however. Being pretentious or to suffer from megalomania are less attractive qualities.) Enough said. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 01:26:18
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Oh my God,
Who is thinking of sterilising my GAMBIAN men and women for controlling births and over populations?
Is it you lovAfrica?Well try it in your country of birth.In the Gambia,thank you, we are really grateful but NO...Why?
Have you seen serenata's posting?
I will rather have you deported than do such a thing to my people.What about when we get sterilised and then all our chids die of either malaria,AIDS or any killer disease in Africa?Are you blind or not having ears?Don't you know Ebola,AIDS,Malaria,ect ect have Africa as their breeding ground despite they are not Africa origin as claimed by your people?
When Aids was discovered,you said to us that it was discovered in Zambia and it originates from green monkeys but our wise men decided to find out how comes green monkeys transfer AIDS to Humans for if it is sexually transmitted,we don't have sex with monkeys in Africa.If blood trasfussion,how did we exchanged blood with green monkeys?
Then we learnt that AIDS was manufactured in an American laboratory.How did it then ended up in Zambia spreading like bush fire killing us in thousands?I think as serenata rightly put it,In one of your conferences on Africa in the late 1960 in july when the US president mentioned that the world should be warry about the growing population of Africa.He said Afriica is growing at an arlaming rate and unless something is done Africa would become the world's most populous nations.What had HE in mind then?Only God knows.
No wonder you are here thinking of reducing my country's population.No way thanks. If you want to help us, think of building schools,hospital, health centers or maybe sponsor a child or two.Thats the way forward. Over population growth in Africa is an African problem and we want to solve it the African way.
How do you expect us to do when we have all our young men dying from fighting either as rebels ,civil wars,or from diseases.What shou;ld happen to their wives and childreen?Who would take care of them when we each have our own wives(One each)?These are some of the reasons some men mary more wives and cannot take care of them all.Just to keep the family blood in tact. You don't know ,in Africa,certain things is more of pride than stranght or financial and you can only understand them if you know their problems deep well.(Though I shall never mary more than one wife,I cannot condemned those who have for some really have good reasons for doing it).It is another kind of averting wide spread prostitution and spread of sexually transmitted disease.Proof me wrong if I am.
Peace
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salimina
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 09:45:49
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Janyanfara, the economists notion that if population control is left to nature, it solves it in a cruel way, because population increases until many are forced to live at a subsistence level is nonsense.
History taught us that population growth is very good if managed properly. The problem here is how to manage the little resources intelligently.In this time of globalisation, how can a tiny nation compete effectively with big players in the market? you see they can say what they want to say but populous nations have competitive advantage in terms of commerce than tiny ones.After the second world war, when almost all the business partners of America has been decimated, America( with there stupid agendas) used the local market base to fill the gap.
The advantages of population in the modern economy far outweight the disadvantages.If you look at the leaque table of world richest nations and that of the emerging countries(china, india, brazil etc) you would find out that though they have differing business models but they all have one major competitive advantage- that is the population.
What is important here is the economic term `critical minimum effort` that is required not merely to increase capital, but to increase it fast enough so that the increase in output outraces the increase in population.So in a nutshell, we just need an efficient labour force.
So to say africa needs to trimmed down her population for real growth to happen is an insult. |
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salimina
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 17:22:07
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| And most importantly we dont need to curb our population because of poverty. The answer is lets managed our little resources efficiently and put discipline in the public sector.Every 5 people in the world 1 is a chinese but yet still is one of the fastest growing economy in the world.And it has been projected that( following the trend) by 2020 they will be one of the biggest economy in the world. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 19:49:26
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| The problem in africa is underemployment. We have not reached our full potential and as such population problem can be solved by improved labor efficiency. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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