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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 16:01:31
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Sister Omega,
The 4% is not a swing. It relates to 550 votes (difference between APRC total votes and the combined NADD/UDP-NRP votes) It is does in any way imply a swing. It is simply a fact on the ground. How it stood at 4% and not less or more is not what calls for a debate. My concern is about manner of governance as opposed to varience of 4% , 40% etc. Even if the APRC emerges with 90% it makes no difference if the rule of law does not prevail. With 20% and rule of law, that is the whole issue. No civilised people would like to be subjected to misrule. Would you want to misrule if you were president of any country? |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 16:19:44
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Put it this way 550 voters decided in Serekunda Central Seat to vote APRC. I don't know how of another way to put it. Serekunda is a strong opposition hold so I use the term swing to represent 4& of the constituents in this opposition ward who voted for the opposing side the APRC. Known in British political jargon as a"Swing". Please correct me with the Gambian terminology if you so chose too. For all we know these 550 voters might have voted for the first time and chose to continue to support the governments development plans.
What seems to be a failure of the government to you Karamba obviously doesn't seem to be to them otherwise they would of voted for the opposition. Maybe the people want a sense of National Unity instead of fragmentation and divisory politics. Maybe they are sick of politicians arguing amongst themselves and just want to see them put their words into action. That's probably why they voted APRC because that is what they see they are doing - delivering.
Peace
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Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 29 Jan 2007 16:22:15 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 16:19:44
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Put it this way 550 voters decided in Serekunda Central Seat to vote APRC. I don't know how of another way to put it. Serekunda is a strong opposition hold so I use the term swing to represent 4& of the constituents in this opposition ward who voted for the opposing side the APRC. Known in British political jargon as a"Swing". Please correct me with the Gambian terminology if you so chose too. For all we know these 550 voters might have voted for the first time and chose to continue to support the governments development plans.
What seems to be a failure of the government to you Karamba obviously doesn't seem to be to them otherwise they would of voted for the opposition. Maybe the people want a sense of National Unity instead of fragmentation and divisory politics. Maybe they are sick of politicians arguing amongst themselves and just want to see them put their words into action. That's probably why they voted APRC because that is what they see they are doing - delivering.
Peace
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Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 29 Jan 2007 16:22:15 |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 18:32:02
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Put it this way 550 voters decided in Serekunda Central Seat to vote APRC. I don't know how of another way to put it. Serekunda is a strong opposition hold so I use the term swing to represent 4& of the constituents in this opposition ward who voted for the opposing side the APRC. Known in British political jargon as a"Swing". Please correct me with the Gambian terminology if you so chose too. For all we know these 550 voters might have voted for the first time and chose to continue to support the governments development plans.
What seems to be a failure of the government to you Karamba obviously doesn't seem to be to them otherwise they would of voted for the opposition. Maybe the people want a sense of National Unity instead of fragmentation and divisory politics. Maybe they are sick of politicians arguing amongst themselves and just want to see them put their words into action. That's probably why they voted APRC because that is what they see they are doing - delivering.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega, I have been following your debates with Karamba and truely admire your spirit and willingness to contribute your part. We certainly need more sisters like you to join the struggle.
One thing I wanted to point out though, is the fact that there is something mysterious about how Gambian electorates vote. This has been a trend since the Jawara days.
You will agree with me that many voters in Gambia do not know the fundamental reason why they go to the polls every five years. Many are carried by the hype and the social pressure to go out and vote without making independent decisions. You and I know there are many influential figures in our communities who pressure people to vote against their will. This demonstrates lack of political awareness and independence. Husbands divorce their spouses for voting against or for someone they don't like. Head of households disown people for voting for a candidate the family is not associated with. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.
You make it sound like people are making their independent decisions to vote, while they are in fact held hostage to voting for someone for one reason or the other.
A better example or comparison is the way Banjulians vote over and over. Without any fear of being attacked, I guarantee that many people from Banjul and the surroudings vote their pockets and immediate interest and not that of the nation at large. Banjulians are the most humiliated by Yahya Jammeh, but still they vote for him overwhelmingly. These are citizens who are supposedly more independent minded and enlightened. There is something wrong with that picture too.
Finally sister, it is mind bordering for those of us who are more enlightened to accept the status quo. Gambians vote in people who demonstrates the Mansa or king style larvish life style. We have seen all kind of larvish leaders elected to office who live above their means. These people obviously would never solve our problems.
What we need are humble politicians who are ready to sacrifice to change the status quo of our country. This cannot be archieve when the people who are suppose to vote cannot differentiate between right and wrong. We need more education and balance of information flow. Am sure many look upto you and I for advice and we must do our best to enlighten them. Sounding as if everything is ok with our young democracy is not doing us justice. Gambia can and should do better than that... Keep up the spirit... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 18:32:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
Put it this way 550 voters decided in Serekunda Central Seat to vote APRC. I don't know how of another way to put it. Serekunda is a strong opposition hold so I use the term swing to represent 4& of the constituents in this opposition ward who voted for the opposing side the APRC. Known in British political jargon as a"Swing". Please correct me with the Gambian terminology if you so chose too. For all we know these 550 voters might have voted for the first time and chose to continue to support the governments development plans.
What seems to be a failure of the government to you Karamba obviously doesn't seem to be to them otherwise they would of voted for the opposition. Maybe the people want a sense of National Unity instead of fragmentation and divisory politics. Maybe they are sick of politicians arguing amongst themselves and just want to see them put their words into action. That's probably why they voted APRC because that is what they see they are doing - delivering.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega, I have been following your debates with Karamba and truely admire your spirit and willingness to contribute your part. We certainly need more sisters like you to join the struggle.
One thing I wanted to point out though, is the fact that there is something mysterious about how Gambian electorates vote. This has been a trend since the Jawara days.
You will agree with me that many voters in Gambia do not know the fundamental reason why they go to the polls every five years. Many are carried by the hype and the social pressure to go out and vote without making independent decisions. You and I know there are many influential figures in our communities who pressure people to vote against their will. This demonstrates lack of political awareness and independence. Husbands divorce their spouses for voting against or for someone they don't like. Head of households disown people for voting for a candidate the family is not associated with. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.
You make it sound like people are making their independent decisions to vote, while they are in fact held hostage to voting for someone for one reason or the other.
A better example or comparison is the way Banjulians vote over and over. Without any fear of being attacked, I guarantee that many people from Banjul and the surroudings vote their pockets and immediate interest and not that of the nation at large. Banjulians are the most humiliated by Yahya Jammeh, but still they vote for him overwhelmingly. These are citizens who are supposedly more independent minded and enlightened. There is something wrong with that picture too.
Finally sister, it is mind bordering for those of us who are more enlightened to accept the status quo. Gambians vote in people who demonstrates the Mansa or king style larvish life style. We have seen all kind of larvish leaders elected to office who live above their means. These people obviously would never solve our problems.
What we need are humble politicians who are ready to sacrifice to change the status quo of our country. This cannot be archieve when the people who are suppose to vote cannot differentiate between right and wrong. We need more education and balance of information flow. Am sure many look upto you and I for advice and we must do our best to enlighten them. Sounding as if everything is ok with our young democracy is not doing us justice. Gambia can and should do better than that... Keep up the spirit... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 20:35:01
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quote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
Put it this way 550 voters decided in Serekunda Central Seat to vote APRC. I don't know how of another way to put it. Serekunda is a strong opposition hold so I use the term swing to represent 4& of the constituents in this opposition ward who voted for the opposing side the APRC. Known in British political jargon as a"Swing". Please correct me with the Gambian terminology if you so chose too. For all we know these 550 voters might have voted for the first time and chose to continue to support the governments development plans.
What seems to be a failure of the government to you Karamba obviously doesn't seem to be to them otherwise they would of voted for the opposition. Maybe the people want a sense of National Unity instead of fragmentation and divisory politics. Maybe they are sick of politicians arguing amongst themselves and just want to see them put their words into action. That's probably why they voted APRC because that is what they see they are doing - delivering.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega, I have been following your debates with Karamba and truely admire your spirit and willingness to contribute your part. We certainly need more sisters like you to join the struggle.
One thing I wanted to point out though, is the fact that there is something mysterious about how Gambian electorates vote. This has been a trend since the Jawara days.
You will agree with me that many voters in Gambia do not know the fundamental reason why they go to the polls every five years. Many are carried by the hype and the social pressure to go out and vote without making independent decisions. You and I know there are many influential figures in our communities who pressure people to vote against their will. This demonstrates lack of political awareness and independence. Husbands divorce their spouses for voting against or for someone they don't like. Head of households disown people for voting for a candidate the family is not associated with. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.
You make it sound like people are making their independent decisions to vote, while they are in fact held hostage to voting for someone for one reason or the other.
A better example or comparison is the way Banjulians vote over and over. Without any fear of being attacked, I guarantee that many people from Banjul and the surroudings vote their pockets and immediate interest and not that of the nation at large. Banjulians are the most humiliated by Yahya Jammeh, but still they vote for him overwhelmingly. These are citizens who are supposedly more independent minded and enlightened. There is something wrong with that picture too.
Finally sister, it is mind bordering for those of us who are more enlightened to accept the status quo. Gambians vote in people who demonstrates the Mansa or king style larvish life style. We have seen all kind of larvish leaders elected to office who live above their means. These people obviously would never solve our problems.
What we need are humble politicians who are ready to sacrifice to change the status quo of our country. This cannot be archieve when the people who are suppose to vote cannot differentiate between right and wrong. We need more education and balance of information flow. Am sure many look upto you and I for advice and we must do our best to enlighten them. Sounding as if everything is ok with our young democracy is not doing us justice. Gambia can and should do better than that... Keep up the spirit...
Dbaldeh , you said it right. i have nothing more to add to your clear analysis. i was threaten for saying just the same statement in 1998 at a meeting in MDI conferrence hall .GAMBIANS DON'T KNOW WHY THEY VOTE ..THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. EVEN IF YAYA IS TO WIN ,BUT THE MARGIN MOST REFLECT THE RELIALITY of the country .a lot of people are currently dying of consuming bad cooking oil. expensive price of meat ,not to mension palm oil and many basic food substances ,this are unaffordable to many yet they vote for jilanka..it doesn't seems right. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 20:35:01
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Originally posted by dbaldeh
quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
Put it this way 550 voters decided in Serekunda Central Seat to vote APRC. I don't know how of another way to put it. Serekunda is a strong opposition hold so I use the term swing to represent 4& of the constituents in this opposition ward who voted for the opposing side the APRC. Known in British political jargon as a"Swing". Please correct me with the Gambian terminology if you so chose too. For all we know these 550 voters might have voted for the first time and chose to continue to support the governments development plans.
What seems to be a failure of the government to you Karamba obviously doesn't seem to be to them otherwise they would of voted for the opposition. Maybe the people want a sense of National Unity instead of fragmentation and divisory politics. Maybe they are sick of politicians arguing amongst themselves and just want to see them put their words into action. That's probably why they voted APRC because that is what they see they are doing - delivering.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega, I have been following your debates with Karamba and truely admire your spirit and willingness to contribute your part. We certainly need more sisters like you to join the struggle.
One thing I wanted to point out though, is the fact that there is something mysterious about how Gambian electorates vote. This has been a trend since the Jawara days.
You will agree with me that many voters in Gambia do not know the fundamental reason why they go to the polls every five years. Many are carried by the hype and the social pressure to go out and vote without making independent decisions. You and I know there are many influential figures in our communities who pressure people to vote against their will. This demonstrates lack of political awareness and independence. Husbands divorce their spouses for voting against or for someone they don't like. Head of households disown people for voting for a candidate the family is not associated with. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.
You make it sound like people are making their independent decisions to vote, while they are in fact held hostage to voting for someone for one reason or the other.
A better example or comparison is the way Banjulians vote over and over. Without any fear of being attacked, I guarantee that many people from Banjul and the surroudings vote their pockets and immediate interest and not that of the nation at large. Banjulians are the most humiliated by Yahya Jammeh, but still they vote for him overwhelmingly. These are citizens who are supposedly more independent minded and enlightened. There is something wrong with that picture too.
Finally sister, it is mind bordering for those of us who are more enlightened to accept the status quo. Gambians vote in people who demonstrates the Mansa or king style larvish life style. We have seen all kind of larvish leaders elected to office who live above their means. These people obviously would never solve our problems.
What we need are humble politicians who are ready to sacrifice to change the status quo of our country. This cannot be archieve when the people who are suppose to vote cannot differentiate between right and wrong. We need more education and balance of information flow. Am sure many look upto you and I for advice and we must do our best to enlighten them. Sounding as if everything is ok with our young democracy is not doing us justice. Gambia can and should do better than that... Keep up the spirit...
Dbaldeh , you said it right. i have nothing more to add to your clear analysis. i was threaten for saying just the same statement in 1998 at a meeting in MDI conferrence hall .GAMBIANS DON'T KNOW WHY THEY VOTE ..THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. EVEN IF YAYA IS TO WIN ,BUT THE MARGIN MOST REFLECT THE RELIALITY of the country .a lot of people are currently dying of consuming bad cooking oil. expensive price of meat ,not to mension palm oil and many basic food substances ,this are unaffordable to many yet they vote for jilanka..it doesn't seems right. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 20:37:08
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Call it swing, call it floating votes. When something goes wrong, those to whom it matters must seek to have it right. The very orientation of Jammeh is undemocratic. Jammeh has no iota of tolerance. He is unfair to Gambian decency. Gambians deserve better. He creates conditions that appear like it is only him and his government having the capability to run that broken country. They do everything to stay in power. That is wrong. Above all, the previous regime did not employ killing as a move to contain opposition. Jammeh regime is stained with blood all over. Gambians are scared.
Imagine a state minister on political campaign telling people of Jarra that their incumbent candidate is criminal!! Telling them that government would prosecute the incumbent after elections. During the same campaign period, the candidate for Niamina East was arrested, detained and docked. In Bakau the candidate was arrested and detained. In Basse the candidate was subject to arrest along with his supporters. Another state minister (for Youth and religion) was imposing on the youth population to vote for APRC in order to provide Jammeh time to rule longer. Religious affairs and youth matters fall under critical areas of the social fabric. Creating a whole ministry to control these sectors is all part of tricks employed by the Jammeh regime. Any votes so obtained through such tricks cannot be seen fair. Coupled with the bad handling of opposition candidates, you still want to call that proper ? It is up anyone. If people choose to bury their heads into the sand, nothing makes a difference. I am not a fanatic and will challenge anyone who fails to do right. What I am writing this minute is not my sole opinion. It is the sound of broken Gambian hearts in Washington, Oslo, Yorrobawol, Fatoto, Serra Kunda, Brikama, London, New York, Gambisara, Sutukobo, and wherever you find concerned Gambians. In short wherever you find concerned Gambians, they are collectively worried that Jammeh is turning Gambia into one big hell. He brags about developments that portray what he calls it. ADVISE JAMMEH TO STOP KILLING INNOCENT GAMBIANS. If you still think Gambians have to keep a president that orders the killing of citizens, you are entitled to your God-given right of opinion. Be happy. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 20:37:08
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Call it swing, call it floating votes. When something goes wrong, those to whom it matters must seek to have it right. The very orientation of Jammeh is undemocratic. Jammeh has no iota of tolerance. He is unfair to Gambian decency. Gambians deserve better. He creates conditions that appear like it is only him and his government having the capability to run that broken country. They do everything to stay in power. That is wrong. Above all, the previous regime did not employ killing as a move to contain opposition. Jammeh regime is stained with blood all over. Gambians are scared.
Imagine a state minister on political campaign telling people of Jarra that their incumbent candidate is criminal!! Telling them that government would prosecute the incumbent after elections. During the same campaign period, the candidate for Niamina East was arrested, detained and docked. In Bakau the candidate was arrested and detained. In Basse the candidate was subject to arrest along with his supporters. Another state minister (for Youth and religion) was imposing on the youth population to vote for APRC in order to provide Jammeh time to rule longer. Religious affairs and youth matters fall under critical areas of the social fabric. Creating a whole ministry to control these sectors is all part of tricks employed by the Jammeh regime. Any votes so obtained through such tricks cannot be seen fair. Coupled with the bad handling of opposition candidates, you still want to call that proper ? It is up anyone. If people choose to bury their heads into the sand, nothing makes a difference. I am not a fanatic and will challenge anyone who fails to do right. What I am writing this minute is not my sole opinion. It is the sound of broken Gambian hearts in Washington, Oslo, Yorrobawol, Fatoto, Serra Kunda, Brikama, London, New York, Gambisara, Sutukobo, and wherever you find concerned Gambians. In short wherever you find concerned Gambians, they are collectively worried that Jammeh is turning Gambia into one big hell. He brags about developments that portray what he calls it. ADVISE JAMMEH TO STOP KILLING INNOCENT GAMBIANS. If you still think Gambians have to keep a president that orders the killing of citizens, you are entitled to your God-given right of opinion. Be happy. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 09:33:14
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Karamba the saying goes pick yourself brush yourself and start all over again. No political system is perfect and no country wasn't built in a day. It's people who can make things happen not just government. So as Madis put it in another thread each person must do their bit.
Peace
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Peace
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 09:33:14
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Karamba the saying goes pick yourself brush yourself and start all over again. No political system is perfect and no country wasn't built in a day. It's people who can make things happen not just government. So as Madis put it in another thread each person must do their bit.
Peace
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Peace
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 10:28:57
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Sister Omega,
I totally agree with you and accept the remarks "pick yourself up, dust yourself up, and start all over again"-Peter Tosh. I want to add that some animals in the wild are even more organised than some CIVILISED humans in cities. My reason being that we see animals flogging together in perfect harmony changing location as the seasons change. Who knows, they have their own organisation!
You are quite right to hammer it home that it takes people to effect change. Our debates over Bantaba and elsewhere would only bear fruit if on each passing day one more person picks a grain of sense and helps to multiply it. We can only contribute our maximum. The big problem with Jammeh and his cohorts is that they want us to believe without challenging that they have all the answers and they are here to stay. We are moving as a society and one small set of people cannot hold themselves as the be-all of everything even when we know they are going far too wrong. I will be happier to retire from Bantaba one fine day and continue to read and observe how other more enlightened and energetic contributors take on this task for sake of posterity. A human society's got to move. Them knuckle heads wants us to halt the motion of time because they are the last hands to move mankind, particularly Gambia. Jammeh and his cohorts have no desire to move on. They expect the whole of society to stay watch. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 30 Jan 2007 10:30:54 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 10:28:57
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Sister Omega,
I totally agree with you and accept the remarks "pick yourself up, dust yourself up, and start all over again"-Peter Tosh. I want to add that some animals in the wild are even more organised than some CIVILISED humans in cities. My reason being that we see animals flogging together in perfect harmony changing location as the seasons change. Who knows, they have their own organisation!
You are quite right to hammer it home that it takes people to effect change. Our debates over Bantaba and elsewhere would only bear fruit if on each passing day one more person picks a grain of sense and helps to multiply it. We can only contribute our maximum. The big problem with Jammeh and his cohorts is that they want us to believe without challenging that they have all the answers and they are here to stay. We are moving as a society and one small set of people cannot hold themselves as the be-all of everything even when we know they are going far too wrong. I will be happier to retire from Bantaba one fine day and continue to read and observe how other more enlightened and energetic contributors take on this task for sake of posterity. A human society's got to move. Them knuckle heads wants us to halt the motion of time because they are the last hands to move mankind, particularly Gambia. Jammeh and his cohorts have no desire to move on. They expect the whole of society to stay watch. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 30 Jan 2007 10:30:54 |
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