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MADIBA
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 Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 12:26:01
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Santafara , you are right traditional medicine has its own place in our society . I happened to come from a part of the Gambia where it was used often due to lack of modern drugs. In the U.S. where I happen to reside now some people still use it less frequently though for ailments(usually chronic) that did not respond well to modern treatments.You probably heard about Coretta Scott King's (the late spouse of Mathin Luther King Jr.)last resort to seek treatment using holistic medicine in Mexico.
Sister Omega,traditional medicine exist virtually everywhere , but its success is modest compared to moderm medicine. Traditional medicine has many limitations including the problem of dosage , storage,unknown side effects, contaminants (hygiene) and so on.
But that is not even the crux of my argument. My argument is that Jammeh is claiming something that others have claimed before and still claim. There are thousands of people in the streets of the Gambia who are more steeped in the knowledge of traditional medicine than the Chairman is.If Jammeh has access to our sick people in RVTH they should also have. Jammeh is apparently abusing public office by posing as a "witch doctor".Above all he is pretending divine guidance by linking the Quran and his claims. The Yanomama indians and the Chinese use herbs as well as other people elsewhere.
If Jammeh really wants to industrialize traditional medicine ther are enough people who know that arena more than he does ; he should just encourage them. Or better yet he can step down as president and pursue traditional medicine as a career and see how far he can go.
K-Jatta,
I dis-agree with the above highlighted. What have you used to gain that measure of people more knowledgeable than Jammeh in Traditional medicine? Traditional Medicine has specialities like modern medicine.
There are quack medical doctors as there are quack traditional healers. And your assertion of the use of traditional medicine was due to the absence modern drugs is not accurate. In my village people still use traditional medicine despite a medical outpost in the village. For example people use guava leaves to treat diarrhoea. Another is the use of the bark of a plant call DUKUMEH in fula, Mandinka's call it WULAKONO SUNGKO. the bark is use in the treatment of dysentry. These leaves and bark may not have been tested in western laboratories, but they have been treating our people for ages.
The mending of fractures have been in some families for generations, like a badjie family in Bajonkoto near Tabokoto and Sanyang kunda in Kombo Lamin. Besides the Jammeh clan in Kanilai have been mending fractures for ages. Its not with the ascension of Jammeh to the presidency that traditional has been linked with Kanilai.
Finally Traditional medicine has its limits as modern medicine too has its constraints. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 14:52:48
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 Madiba: I totaly agree with you , but what I am trying to infer here is that there is nothing new about Jammeh's claims. What has he discovered ? Nothing absolutely ! I am glad you said that there are people in your village who practice and use traditional medicine also.I tend to believe that everyone on this bantaba knows several people who are steeped in the practice of traditional medicine.Traditional medicine is the perhaps the oldest form of health care , it precedes modern medicine. It is a primitive form of health care practice. However , traditional medicine persists largely in societies and communities that are often underdevelop and have rudimentary healthcare systems:inadequate hospitals ,drugs , infrastructure , and "ignorance" .
Mending fractures ? Anybody can do it. All you need to do is allign the fractured bones , they heal by themselves. Bones have living cells they regrow. You see all of this to an ignorant person , or let me say who has no insight into modern science, seems baffling and mysterious.
The transition to modern medicine has become necessary because traditional medicine has not been effective in delivering healthcare.That is why everywhere our people are cryiny for more hospitals , drugs , doctors , etc,etc.
Jammeh cannot even be considered for a nobel price unless his work can be verified scientifically and proven to be right.AS we stand today he is just a "witchdoctor"  |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 14:52:48
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Madiba: I totaly agree with you , but what I am trying to infer here is that there is nothing new about Jammeh's claims. What has he discovered ? Nothing absolutely ! I am glad you said that there are people in your village who practice and use traditional medicine also.I tend to believe that everyone on this bantaba knows several people who are steeped in the practice of traditional medicine.Traditional medicine is the perhaps the oldest form of health care , it precedes modern medicine. It is a primitive form of health care practice. However , traditional medicine persists largely in societies and communities that are often underdevelop and have rudimentary healthcare systems:inadequate hospitals ,drugs , infrastructure , and "ignorance" .
Mending fractures ? Anybody can do it. All you need to do is allign the fractured bones , they heal by themselves. Bones have living cells they regrow. You see all of this to an ignorant person , or let me say who has no insight into modern science, seems baffling and mysterious.
The transition to modern medicine has become necessary because traditional medicine has not been effective in delivering healthcare.That is why everywhere our people are cryiny for more hospitals , drugs , doctors , etc,etc.
Jammeh cannot even be considered for a nobel price unless his work can be verified scientifically and proven to be right.AS we stand today he is just a "witchdoctor" |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 15:54:56
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Kayjatta you state "The transition to modern medicine has become necessary because traditional medicine has not been effective in delivering healthcare."
Then I put it to you why is it that in Developed Countries like the UK they have a Royal Homeopathic Hospital right next to St Ormonds Street Childrens Hospital, and that more doctors are in favor of holistic healthcare because modern medicine is not magic and there are limits to its effectiveness.
After all prevention is better than cure certain medical procedures could be completely unnecessary if people had better nutritional advice.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 15:54:56
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Kayjatta you state "The transition to modern medicine has become necessary because traditional medicine has not been effective in delivering healthcare."
Then I put it to you why is it that in Developed Countries like the UK they have a Royal Homeopathic Hospital right next to St Ormonds Street Childrens Hospital, and that more doctors are in favor of holistic healthcare because modern medicine is not magic and there are limits to its effectiveness.
After all prevention is better than cure certain medical procedures could be completely unnecessary if people had better nutritional advice.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 20:58:05
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Sister Omega,
You got it on the dot. There is so much faith over "MODERN" treatment we tend to disregard preventive health methods. Having it my way, I do not prefer to be on doses. If I have choice a GP who advises me on BALANCED diet will be my preference over the one who gives me the best dose when I'm sick. This opens us to an essential issue someone is able to start. ADVICE ON PREVENTIVE HEALTH MAINTENANCE. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 20:58:05
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Sister Omega,
You got it on the dot. There is so much faith over "MODERN" treatment we tend to disregard preventive health methods. Having it my way, I do not prefer to be on doses. If I have choice a GP who advises me on BALANCED diet will be my preference over the one who gives me the best dose when I'm sick. This opens us to an essential issue someone is able to start. ADVICE ON PREVENTIVE HEALTH MAINTENANCE. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 04:23:45
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You guys are deviating from the argument.Good nutirtion or balanced diet is not the argument here. Everybody knows that good nutrition is the key to a good health. The performance of the immune system depends a lot on your diet."An apple a day keeps the doctor away" as the saying goes.
Holistic medicine or what I call alternative medicine is a big industry , I agree. However , it is usually used as a second choice or even used alongside pharmaceutical drugs. Furthermore , alternative medicine works better on chronic non-infectious diseases rather than infectious diseases (refer to the germ theory of diseases).
Sister Omega , are you telling me that MORE DOCTORS IN U.K. FAVOR HOLISTIC MEDICINE TO MODERN (MANUFACTURED) MEDICINE ?
It is important to understand that nobody is saying that modern medicine is perfect.Do you remember the number of law suits the manufacturers of vioxx (a pharmaceutical drug) faced after the drug was linked to several fatal side effects ? You see science is the best critic of itself . That is why it is far more reliable than magic , superstition and witchcraft.Could anybody sue Jammeh if his concoctions lead to deadly side effects ? |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 04:23:45
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You guys are deviating from the argument.Good nutirtion or balanced diet is not the argument here. Everybody knows that good nutrition is the key to a good health. The performance of the immune system depends a lot on your diet."An apple a day keeps the doctor away" as the saying goes.
Holistic medicine or what I call alternative medicine is a big industry , I agree. However , it is usually used as a second choice or even used alongside pharmaceutical drugs. Furthermore , alternative medicine works better on chronic non-infectious diseases rather than infectious diseases (refer to the germ theory of diseases).
Sister Omega , are you telling me that MORE DOCTORS IN U.K. FAVOR HOLISTIC MEDICINE TO MODERN (MANUFACTURED) MEDICINE ?
It is important to understand that nobody is saying that modern medicine is perfect.Do you remember the number of law suits the manufacturers of vioxx (a pharmaceutical drug) faced after the drug was linked to several fatal side effects ? You see science is the best critic of itself . That is why it is far more reliable than magic , superstition and witchcraft.Could anybody sue Jammeh if his concoctions lead to deadly side effects ? |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 20:38:22
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| ALLAH HU AK BAR,JAMMEH can cure aids.He will bring the dead back to alive next. |
There is no god but Allah |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 20:38:22
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| ALLAH HU AK BAR,JAMMEH can cure aids.He will bring the dead back to alive next. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 02:15:32
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Sister Omega , are you telling me that MORE DOCTORS IN U.K. FAVOR HOLISTIC MEDICINE TO MODERN (MANUFACTURED) MEDICINE ?
Kayjatta I am saying that more doctors in the UK are recognising complementary medicine and Preventive Medicine is being more focused upon. Having suffered with chronic illnesses myself whilst waiting for medical intervention I started using herbal remedies and did get some relief. However I did undergo three major operations to eradicate my problems. But still they didn't cure everything so I use complementary medicine and preventive medicine alongside conventional medicine that's why I advocate the term complimentary medicine.
I do agree with you that Jammeh is taking an unusual step by promoting herbal remedies. He maybe the first President to go public with his healing abilities. I do recall Prince Charles when he first came advocating Complementary Medicine and speaking to plants as being preceived as being a bit weird but over the years its been proven that there was some logic in his unusal interests.
This controversial topic on African Traditional Medicine has stimulated debate on complementary health care in Africa. I think more research and study into traditional medicine coupled with preventive nutrition can only improve African Health. This can also be important to Agriculture and horticulture the spins offs have good commercial potential for diversification both interms of the nations health and the economy.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 02:15:32
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Sister Omega , are you telling me that MORE DOCTORS IN U.K. FAVOR HOLISTIC MEDICINE TO MODERN (MANUFACTURED) MEDICINE ?
Kayjatta I am saying that more doctors in the UK are recognising complementary medicine and Preventive Medicine is being more focused upon. Having suffered with chronic illnesses myself whilst waiting for medical intervention I started using herbal remedies and did get some relief. However I did undergo three major operations to eradicate my problems. But still they didn't cure everything so I use complementary medicine and preventive medicine alongside conventional medicine that's why I advocate the term complimentary medicine.
I do agree with you that Jammeh is taking an unusual step by promoting herbal remedies. He maybe the first President to go public with his healing abilities. I do recall Prince Charles when he first came advocating Complementary Medicine and speaking to plants as being preceived as being a bit weird but over the years its been proven that there was some logic in his unusal interests.
This controversial topic on African Traditional Medicine has stimulated debate on complementary health care in Africa. I think more research and study into traditional medicine coupled with preventive nutrition can only improve African Health. This can also be important to Agriculture and horticulture the spins offs have good commercial potential for diversification both interms of the nations health and the economy.
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hagai
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 10:00:16
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Hi fellows:
I believe in the saying that "the proof of the food is in the eating" we should be expecting the results of jammeh`s medication in days to come. Lets just wait and seeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! |
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hagai
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 10:00:16
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Hi fellows:
I believe in the saying that "the proof of the food is in the eating" we should be expecting the results of jammeh`s medication in days to come. Lets just wait and seeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! |
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