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kayjatta
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 Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 20:25:31
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Sister Omega:
Please i beg to differ.Nobel price for medicine , economics ,...for Jammeh ? You know Alfred Nobel , the Swedish founder of the nobel price award used to joke that he was the wealthiset vagabond in the world ; but i am sure he envision his award for deserving people. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 20:25:31
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Sister Omega:
Please i beg to differ.Nobel price for medicine , economics ,...for Jammeh ? You know Alfred Nobel , the Swedish founder of the nobel price award used to joke that he was the wealthiset vagabond in the world ; but i am sure he envision his award for deserving people. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 20:37:01
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Why is it nonsense? If you read or know about African Traditional leaders many possessed healing powers. As the saying goes "the proof of the pudding is the eating." Time will be the best judge into whether Jammeh has the gift of healing or not. As many religious or spiritual people recognise that judgement is left to Our Creator. Jammeh is not the first or will not be the last to call upon spiritual and ancestral powers to heal people. Although many would prefer to do this in secrecy Jammeh has now made his healing powers public and of course this will leave him open to scrutiny but he feels confident enough of his gifts to publicise them. I personally feel if chronically asmatic or HIV/AIDs patients are relieved of their suffering then this is positive action on behalf of Jammeh. I'm sure his beneficiaries won't be complaining if they are cured.
Peace
Sister Omega
i am suprised at the defence of yaya by my learneded sister. sister omega ,i do not despise african medicine .i can swear to Allah that my gran mother practice traditional medicine for several years and i know both the positive and negative side of it. when i see real and genuine african medicine sister i can tell .let us agree on this part that yaya cannot cure AIDS . traditional medicine have their limitations like scientific medicines . they also have time limits. yaya is taking the miracle approach ,which means a quick fix.
traditional medicine take several dorses before any cure is felt. my gran mother was well known for treating baren women and even my mother learn that trade from her. i can name the methods use quiet simplly. but even that don't work on every woman. how can yaya without prior prove confidently say he can cure AIDS ? well you can stick with him for the time being but i for one knows it is only a propaganda. i would be happy if he cures AIDS ,i felt bad for most of my African brothers and sisters with the illness. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 20:37:01
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Why is it nonsense? If you read or know about African Traditional leaders many possessed healing powers. As the saying goes "the proof of the pudding is the eating." Time will be the best judge into whether Jammeh has the gift of healing or not. As many religious or spiritual people recognise that judgement is left to Our Creator. Jammeh is not the first or will not be the last to call upon spiritual and ancestral powers to heal people. Although many would prefer to do this in secrecy Jammeh has now made his healing powers public and of course this will leave him open to scrutiny but he feels confident enough of his gifts to publicise them. I personally feel if chronically asmatic or HIV/AIDs patients are relieved of their suffering then this is positive action on behalf of Jammeh. I'm sure his beneficiaries won't be complaining if they are cured.
Peace
Sister Omega
i am suprised at the defence of yaya by my learneded sister. sister omega ,i do not despise african medicine .i can swear to Allah that my gran mother practice traditional medicine for several years and i know both the positive and negative side of it. when i see real and genuine african medicine sister i can tell .let us agree on this part that yaya cannot cure AIDS . traditional medicine have their limitations like scientific medicines . they also have time limits. yaya is taking the miracle approach ,which means a quick fix.
traditional medicine take several dorses before any cure is felt. my gran mother was well known for treating baren women and even my mother learn that trade from her. i can name the methods use quiet simplly. but even that don't work on every woman. how can yaya without prior prove confidently say he can cure AIDS ? well you can stick with him for the time being but i for one knows it is only a propaganda. i would be happy if he cures AIDS ,i felt bad for most of my African brothers and sisters with the illness. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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dbaldeh
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 21:08:57
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Santanfara, my grand mother, father, and everyone I grew around believe in that Myth. I can bet that your grand mother's cure for baren women was just a coincident. All I could get from those learn from those traditional medicines is their ability to create false hope and enemity among the populace. It is all unproven and people just count on God's divine intervention which he does without them knowing.
I don't dispite the good parts of my African heritage, but I will be on record to say that almost all of it is base on speculation and witch craft which is the biggest myth ever. Anyone can proof me wrong if they can. It is living with falsehood and deception... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 21:08:57
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Santanfara, my grand mother, father, and everyone I grew around believe in that Myth. I can bet that your grand mother's cure for baren women was just a coincident. All I could get from those learn from those traditional medicines is their ability to create false hope and enemity among the populace. It is all unproven and people just count on God's divine intervention which he does without them knowing.
I don't dispite the good parts of my African heritage, but I will be on record to say that almost all of it is base on speculation and witch craft which is the biggest myth ever. Anyone can proof me wrong if they can. It is living with falsehood and deception... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 23:01:10
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Santafara : we must not call traditional medicine african medicine because the practice of traditional medicine is not limited to Africa.It also widely practized in less developed areas in Latin America and Asia.The indians in both Latin America and North America have long known to have practized traditional medicine.
Calling traditional medicine African medicine also seems to exclude Africa from the realm of modern medicine. I am sure this not what you mean , but i have to bring it up for clarification. You and I share the same objections to His Excelleny's claims and practices.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 23:01:10
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Santafara : we must not call traditional medicine african medicine because the practice of traditional medicine is not limited to Africa.It also widely practized in less developed areas in Latin America and Asia.The indians in both Latin America and North America have long known to have practized traditional medicine.
Calling traditional medicine African medicine also seems to exclude Africa from the realm of modern medicine. I am sure this not what you mean , but i have to bring it up for clarification. You and I share the same objections to His Excelleny's claims and practices.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 00:41:06
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Kayjatta to quote Jammeh " One will asked what the Cuban and Taiwanese ambassadors are doing here. The aim is to share the treatment with them because in Taiwan traditional medicine are used. I'm sure you are familiar with chinese medicine which has been for thousand of years and is widely used around the world. Complementary medicine is used world-wide. Why not place indigenous medicine further up the health agenda? I for one regularly use Chinese medicine and have found acupunture to be very useful and herbal remedies to alleviate some of my health problems, which orthodox medicine has been unable to alleviate.
I think people should be more open minded where treatments are concerned. Even common herbs which which we would regard as weeds in the garden have medicinal qualities, For example dandelion and bardock are good for your kidney's, so too are sting nettles, lavender is good for stress, vegetables like onions are good for your liver etc. Today scientists have discovered that a high fibre intake could be beneficial in preventing premenopausal women from contracting breast cancer, it is also good for preventing bowel cancer, promegranates are good for the postrate the list goes on. Good nutrition comprising of a balance diet is good for your health.
When you consider if a patient is chronically ill ingesting a lot of painkillers may alleviate some of the pain but can also have deterimental effects on vital organs. The more research which goes into Traditional Medicine can only be positive. After all with orthodox medicine it is monopolised by pharmaceutal companies who hold a monopoly over the price of the drugs and their patents. This has helped to raise the morbidity rates of AID patients in Developing Countries. Asthma patients who can't afford inhalers die needlessly of asthma so if there is a plant antidote that can be grown and is affordable for the poor then it will be more accessible to the most needy in society. There has been similiar projects ocurring in East Africa. Herbal Medicine is a science in itself and needs to be treated as such. The more resources that can be allocated in this area the better for affordable healthcare delivered by experienced practioners.
Peace Sister Omega
http://allafrica.com/stories/200701230134.html |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 00:41:06
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Kayjatta to quote Jammeh " One will asked what the Cuban and Taiwanese ambassadors are doing here. The aim is to share the treatment with them because in Taiwan traditional medicine are used. I'm sure you are familiar with chinese medicine which has been for thousand of years and is widely used around the world. Complementary medicine is used world-wide. Why not place indigenous medicine further up the health agenda? I for one regularly use Chinese medicine and have found acupunture to be very useful and herbal remedies to alleviate some of my health problems, which orthodox medicine has been unable to alleviate.
I think people should be more open minded where treatments are concerned. Even common herbs which which we would regard as weeds in the garden have medicinal qualities, For example dandelion and bardock are good for your kidney's, so too are sting nettles, lavender is good for stress, vegetables like onions are good for your liver etc. Today scientists have discovered that a high fibre intake could be beneficial in preventing premenopausal women from contracting breast cancer, it is also good for preventing bowel cancer, promegranates are good for the postrate the list goes on. Good nutrition comprising of a balance diet is good for your health.
When you consider if a patient is chronically ill ingesting a lot of painkillers may alleviate some of the pain but can also have deterimental effects on vital organs. The more research which goes into Traditional Medicine can only be positive. After all with orthodox medicine it is monopolised by pharmaceutal companies who hold a monopoly over the price of the drugs and their patents. This has helped to raise the morbidity rates of AID patients in Developing Countries. Asthma patients who can't afford inhalers die needlessly of asthma so if there is a plant antidote that can be grown and is affordable for the poor then it will be more accessible to the most needy in society. There has been similiar projects ocurring in East Africa. Herbal Medicine is a science in itself and needs to be treated as such. The more resources that can be allocated in this area the better for affordable healthcare delivered by experienced practioners.
Peace Sister Omega
http://allafrica.com/stories/200701230134.html |
Peace
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 00:41:09
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| KAYATTA, NO PROBLEM WITH THE CLARIFICATION . my uncle dbaldeh douth the effectiveness of traditional medecine but it works in some cases. i don't use it though. but even conventional medecines have there limitations. traditional ones ,i cannot defend. i believe it is mostly to do with orrientation and believes. do you remember the fulas in jimara back in the days use to say Allah jabe jabane ,this was because they are so sure of there charms. in every society hidden elements are there ,even the u.s have there secret occult practices .this does not spare even developed countries. look arround you in u.s you will see strange buildings and in london they are ranpant . we can do away with ours but the west are secretly sticking with there secrets ,that is why you are copy right. traditional cures are use in china and india .it is all in the head. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 00:41:09
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| KAYATTA, NO PROBLEM WITH THE CLARIFICATION . my uncle dbaldeh douth the effectiveness of traditional medecine but it works in some cases. i don't use it though. but even conventional medecines have there limitations. traditional ones ,i cannot defend. i believe it is mostly to do with orrientation and believes. do you remember the fulas in jimara back in the days use to say Allah jabe jabane ,this was because they are so sure of there charms. in every society hidden elements are there ,even the u.s have there secret occult practices .this does not spare even developed countries. look arround you in u.s you will see strange buildings and in london they are ranpant . we can do away with ours but the west are secretly sticking with there secrets ,that is why you are copy right. traditional cures are use in china and india .it is all in the head. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 04:46:28
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Santafara , you are right traditional medicine has its own place in our society . I happened to come from a part of the Gambia where it was used often due to lack of modern drugs. In the U.S. where I happen to reside now some people still use it less frequently though for ailments(usually chronic) that did not respond well to modern treatments.You probably heard about Coretta Scott King's (the late spouse of Mathin Luther King Jr.)last resort to seek treatment using holistic medicine in Mexico.
Sister Omega,traditional medicine exist virtually everywhere , but its success is modest compared to moderm medicine. Traditional medicine has many limitations including the problem of dosage , storage,unknown side effects, contaminants (hygiene) and so on.
But that is not even the crux of my argument. My argument is that Jammeh is claiming something that others have claimed before and still claim. There are thousands of people in the streets of the Gambia who are more steeped in the knowledge of traditional medicine than the Chairman is.If Jammeh has access to our sick people in RVTH they should also have. Jammeh is apparently abusing public office by posing as a "witch doctor".Above all he is pretending divine guidance by linking the Quran and his claims. The Yanomama indians and the Chinese use herbs as well as other people elsewhere.
If Jammeh really wants to industrialize traditional medicine ther are enough people who know that arena more than he does ; he should just encourage them. Or better yet he can step down as president and pursue traditional medicine as a career and see how far he can go. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 04:46:28
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Santafara , you are right traditional medicine has its own place in our society . I happened to come from a part of the Gambia where it was used often due to lack of modern drugs. In the U.S. where I happen to reside now some people still use it less frequently though for ailments(usually chronic) that did not respond well to modern treatments.You probably heard about Coretta Scott King's (the late spouse of Mathin Luther King Jr.)last resort to seek treatment using holistic medicine in Mexico.
Sister Omega,traditional medicine exist virtually everywhere , but its success is modest compared to moderm medicine. Traditional medicine has many limitations including the problem of dosage , storage,unknown side effects, contaminants (hygiene) and so on.
But that is not even the crux of my argument. My argument is that Jammeh is claiming something that others have claimed before and still claim. There are thousands of people in the streets of the Gambia who are more steeped in the knowledge of traditional medicine than the Chairman is.If Jammeh has access to our sick people in RVTH they should also have. Jammeh is apparently abusing public office by posing as a "witch doctor".Above all he is pretending divine guidance by linking the Quran and his claims. The Yanomama indians and the Chinese use herbs as well as other people elsewhere.
If Jammeh really wants to industrialize traditional medicine ther are enough people who know that arena more than he does ; he should just encourage them. Or better yet he can step down as president and pursue traditional medicine as a career and see how far he can go. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 12:26:01
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Santafara , you are right traditional medicine has its own place in our society . I happened to come from a part of the Gambia where it was used often due to lack of modern drugs. In the U.S. where I happen to reside now some people still use it less frequently though for ailments(usually chronic) that did not respond well to modern treatments.You probably heard about Coretta Scott King's (the late spouse of Mathin Luther King Jr.)last resort to seek treatment using holistic medicine in Mexico.
Sister Omega,traditional medicine exist virtually everywhere , but its success is modest compared to moderm medicine. Traditional medicine has many limitations including the problem of dosage , storage,unknown side effects, contaminants (hygiene) and so on.
But that is not even the crux of my argument. My argument is that Jammeh is claiming something that others have claimed before and still claim. There are thousands of people in the streets of the Gambia who are more steeped in the knowledge of traditional medicine than the Chairman is.If Jammeh has access to our sick people in RVTH they should also have. Jammeh is apparently abusing public office by posing as a "witch doctor".Above all he is pretending divine guidance by linking the Quran and his claims. The Yanomama indians and the Chinese use herbs as well as other people elsewhere.
If Jammeh really wants to industrialize traditional medicine ther are enough people who know that arena more than he does ; he should just encourage them. Or better yet he can step down as president and pursue traditional medicine as a career and see how far he can go.
K-Jatta,
I dis-agree with the above highlighted. What have you used to gain that measure of people more knowledgeable than Jammeh in Traditional medicine? Traditional Medicine has specialities like modern medicine.
There are quack medical doctors as there are quack traditional healers. And your assertion of the use of traditional medicine was due to the absence modern drugs is not accurate. In my village people still use traditional medicine despite a medical outpost in the village. For example people use guava leaves to treat diarrhoea. Another is the use of the bark of a plant call DUKUMEH in fula, Mandinka's call it WULAKONO SUNGKO. the bark is use in the treatment of dysentry. These leaves and bark may not have been tested in western laboratories, but they have been treating our people for ages.
The mending of fractures have been in some families for generations, like a badjie family in Bajonkoto near Tabokoto and Sanyang kunda in Kombo Lamin. Besides the Jammeh clan in Kanilai have been mending fractures for ages. Its not with the ascension of Jammeh to the presidency that traditional has been linked with Kanilai.
Finally Traditional medicine has its limits as modern medicine too has its constraints. |
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