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tisme
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 Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 14:41:55
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As I understand it in european contries consensual sex is age at 16.
Is it the same for Gambia. Im led to belive even up to the age of 22 it is an offense even for consensual sex if they are a student.
Does the same apply if they are not a student.
Is there a lawyer who can advise on this matter on this site ?
and/or Is there a web site which can be veiwed redgarding this
Thank you all for the input regarding Student/Teacher relationship
But my question was regarding more to the the general public at large
Allow me to clarify my question. If you have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 16 and 22 and they are are a student
then you will be commiting an offence. Is this what the law states?
Thank you for all your interesting and valid inputs. But at the end of the day it is what the Law states if an offence has been commited and it appears no one realy knows the actual law?
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jambo
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 15:39:44
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| there is a difference between, legal, tribal/religious ages. i have not come across the student issue/age category before. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 18:29:37
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Originally posted by tisme
As I understand it in european contries consensual sex is age at 16.
Is it the same for Gambia. Im led to belive even up to the age of 22 it is an offense even for consensual sex if they are a student.
Does the same apply if they are not a student.
Is there a lawyer who can advise on this matter on this site ?
and/or Is there a web site which can be veiwed redgarding this
I think if my memory serves me right sometime last year the Dept of State for Edu, along with other stakeholders prepared a legal document which outlines the issue of sex with students/students, students/teachers, teachers/teachers, others/students. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 18:39:10
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Originally posted by jambo
there is a difference between, legal, tribal/religious ages. i have not come across the student issue/age category before.
You are right Jambo. There is only a legal age and which varies from country to country. The only situation where a student is singled out is if it happens between a teacher and a student because the teacher is assumed to abuse a position trust which students expect from the teacher.
This is quite often on the headlines around the world. Its not unique to gambia alone. Its because the Teacher is in an advantage position of earning trust of students, most students do not see the implications because the teacher must be right if he or she okays it. By the way, Female teachers also engage in such practices just as male teachers. |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 19:21:48
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You make it sound as if it is extra bad if female teachers engage in this practice. Females are sexual beings, so female teachers are sexual beings.
But it is true; as a teacher you should be so careful not to make use of your position. True love can occur, though. I had a colleague once, a male one, who at 25 fell in love with a 17 years-old student. He asked for a transfer to another department, but he married her when she was 20.
All this was 23 years ago, they are still married and they have 2 sons and 1 daughter. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 23:26:40
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As a teacher I can say 100% that a relationship between a student and teacher is out of bounds, forbidden.
Of course there will sometimes be relationships develop where the age gap isn't too great. The best thing in these cases is for the teacher to move schools.
The idea of 'consensual' in the case of teacher and pupil is very difficult. There is the age issue, the role issue and the power.
Also if one partner is alot older and wiser and powerful is sex with an under aged person EVER truely consensual? I think it is abuse.
The best advice is take a step back and THINK. It could be the death of your career. |
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tisme
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 11:40:33
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Thank you all for the input regarding Student/Teacher relationship
But my question was regarding more to the the general public at large |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 11:51:18
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Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
Any person who has carnal knowledge of a girl under the age of 16 is guilty of a felony (except in the case of marriage, which can be as early as 12 years of age). Incest also is illegal. These laws generally enforced.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 12:57:04
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Originally posted by sab
Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
Any person who has carnal knowledge of a girl under the age of 16 is guilty of a felony (except in the case of marriage, which can be as early as 12 years of age). Incest also is illegal. These laws generally enforced.
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Thats the answer to the question that Tisme asked,! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 13:45:41
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Toubab 1020,Who knows? seems somewhat'ambiguous' with 'general public' stated - it will throw a different light on it if payment is made or it is same sex.
regards, |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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tisme
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 14:33:13
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| Allow me to clarify my question. If you have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 16 and 22 and they are are a student then you be commiting an offence. Is this what the law states? |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 16:17:46
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Tisme, My understanding of consenual sex with students in the Gambia is 18 years old without parental consent. However Parental consent governing consenual sex is a stronger force within Gambian society than the law. Sex outside of marriage is not generally tolerated especially for females even though cases do happen but they are discouraged and frowned upon.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 17:10:10
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Oh Dear, my mistake, there are two answers to the same question sorry.
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Tisme, My understanding of consenual sex with students in the Gambia is 18 years old without parental consent. However Parental consent governing consenual sex is a stronger force within Gambian society than the law. Sex outside of marriage is not generally tolerated especially for females even though cases do happen but they are discouraged and frowned upon.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 19:50:18
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Sister Omega that may be the official Muslim line, but I have met several single mothers in Gambia. Some of them in villages very young.I even suspect that some may be the result of incest. I have also met many unmarried men who have children. So the IDEAL and the REALITY are VERY different.
Human nature is the same the world over. Religion may try to tame peoples behaviour, but it isnt 100% successful. Controlling peoples behaviour to make a functional society is alot of what religion is about. Religion tries to put guilt in peoples minds, when all they are doing is a perfectly natural act. Morals and religion are intertwined, but can be separate. If we treat others as we wish to be treated ie with kindness then we dont need religion to control us, we can control ourselves!!!   |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 20:52:39
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Sister Omega that may be the official Muslim line, but I have met several single mothers in Gambia. Some of them in villages very young.I even suspect that some may be the result of incest.I have also met many unmarried men who have children. So the IDEAL and the REALITY are VERY different.
Human nature is the same the world over. Religion may try to tame peoples behaviour, but it isnt 100% successful. Controlling peoples behaviour to make a functional society is alot of what religion is about. Religion tries to put guilt in peoples minds, when all they are doing is a perfectly natural act. Morals and religion are intertwined, but can be separate. If we treat others as we wish to be treated ie with kindness then we dont need religion to control us, we can control ourselves!!!
These cases that you stated are accidental. What obtains here(UK) as living together without any sort of maariage is not Gambian. However, young people might might have children by accident. These sexual acts are most of the time not to the knowledge of the parents. Besides Islam, our traditions forbade such relations. Those single mothers could be divorcees also, the young men telling you they have children could also have got those children from failed marriages and accidentally. Incest?? Prejudicial GambiaBev
Despites these isolated cases, Gambians don't condone these things. Liberty of sex in the UK is NOT TOLERATED in Gambia. |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 00:00:06
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In just one extended family that I know (and love - and do not judge) there are five teenage "children" (i.e. under 18, not maried) who have children. All loved, all welcome by adults and the community alike.
In Britain the number of teenage parents is way beyond that of the Euroepan average.
Whatever the law may state - the message, reasoning, practicalities of the situation are not being heard by teenagers.... the world over!
Does it matter?
I don't feel equipped to answer that question.... if the sex is consensual and any resulting children are loved ... |
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