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Karamba
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 Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 00:39:00
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The naked fact before Gambians is how we are being fooled. Jammeh's government came by force of arms. A coup in short. Is it not a total waste of time to expect any serious democratic system under a regime that was born of bullets and not ballot. Talking about Jammeh working hard is the most unfruitful thinking. In broad day light, Jammeh is simply impressing the population to create that feeling. Few people who enjoy under him play the insincere tune of deception. Why do we still have military decrees hanging above the constitution and you still call that democracy? If Gambians think Jammeh will one day abandone his military system to embrace democratic values, that is the longest day-dream. It is purely undemocratic for any political leader to declare an intention to rule for life. It is not for Jammeh to give up. It is up to Gambians to say enough is enough. To say Jammeh is working is an insult to Gambians. What is expected of a servant who is fed, clothed, and sheltered from public funds? Can we debate on why Jammeh has to hold unto the keys to our State House just because he likes it? Are some of you saying that yourselves, your friends, uncles, nieces, daugters, fathers, are not fit to run the show? Do you want to die before any positive changes take place in Gambia, a country you still call your homeland. If Gambia means so much to you, then you will never waste time backing those who set the country in backward motion.
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 01:32:35
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Dear Karamba,
Your talk about some "military decrees hanging above the constitution" - I asssume like the sword of Damocles - about to descend heavily on someone's head ( I hope not yours) is still very worrying. Could you please be more precise?
There is no gainsaying the patriotism beating the drum in your heart, but please don't forget that all those who went out -
those who felt that it was important, went out and voted. Did you take a look at this link which I sent a few days ago:
Type - Gambia - in their search engine:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-51,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=House+of+Commons&spell=1
You ask “Is it not a total waste of time to expect any serious democratic system under a regime that was born of bullets and not ballot?”
The answer is the man has just won an election with 67.3% of the popular vote. Is this the time for talking about pushing him out – by any other than a democratic and an electoral method ( other than a vote of non-confidence )– at the very start of his third term, after his resounding election victory – the reality of which no number of words from you, can blow away? What does the commonwealth say? But Democracy does not only consist in running a successful election campaign and getting elected. Ay, there’s the rub, prince Hamlet…. “ For who would bear” etc are probably the most important lines for you:
Those who learned by rote , take note and nod with satisfaction to re-quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_or_not_to_be
T'is true you’ve got to educate the masses beyond the straight and narrow…..confines of a mental prison/ mental slavery….
I have just read Anna Kobanck’s report in DN about the Mail and Guardian giving points to the various ministers in Thabo Mbeki’s government. The same idea at work in the Gambia awarding points to ministers in Mr. Jammeh’s cabinet( based on hard work/performance and not sycophancy or nepotism or hopes of some rewards in bread and peanut butter) should take some of the flack off the president, a former military man now besieged by critics like yourself, armed with all kinds of verbal short and long range ammunition some of which is being fired below the belt. There are functions and responsibilities of each and every member of the reshuffled and re-appointed cabinet that we have heard so much about , isn’t there even something known as collective responsibility?
Here’s Mbeki and cabinet you can read and see how they fared.
The focus and obsession with Yahya Jammeh as the author of all of the Gambia’s ills ( hasn’t he done enough good, or any good?) could be relieved or brought into proper relief if he is not made to bear the brunt of all mishaps or mistakes and is not made to carry the burden of all responsibility.
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=294108&area=/insight/insight__national/
http://www.mg.co.za/articledirect.aspx?articleid=39323&area=%2finsight%2finsight__national%2f
The whole Kazoo:
http://www.mg.co.za/mg_search_results.aspx?keywords=Mbeki%27s%20cabinet%20given%20points&PrintEdition=PrintEdition&DailyNews=DailyNews&SearchSection=&StartDay=&StartMonth=&StartYear=&EndDay=&EndMonth=&EndYear=
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 01:32:35
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Dear Karamba,
Your talk about some "military decrees hanging above the constitution" - I asssume like the sword of Damocles - about to descend heavily on someone's head ( I hope not yours) is still very worrying. Could you please be more precise?
There is no gainsaying the patriotism beating the drum in your heart, but please don't forget that all those who went out -
those who felt that it was important, went out and voted. Did you take a look at this link which I sent a few days ago:
Type - Gambia - in their search engine:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-51,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=House+of+Commons&spell=1
You ask “Is it not a total waste of time to expect any serious democratic system under a regime that was born of bullets and not ballot?”
The answer is the man has just won an election with 67.3% of the popular vote. Is this the time for talking about pushing him out – by any other than a democratic and an electoral method ( other than a vote of non-confidence )– at the very start of his third term, after his resounding election victory – the reality of which no number of words from you, can blow away? What does the commonwealth say? But Democracy does not only consist in running a successful election campaign and getting elected. Ay, there’s the rub, prince Hamlet…. “ For who would bear” etc are probably the most important lines for you:
Those who learned by rote , take note and nod with satisfaction to re-quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be_or_not_to_be
T'is true you’ve got to educate the masses beyond the straight and narrow…..confines of a mental prison/ mental slavery….
I have just read Anna Kobanck’s report in DN about the Mail and Guardian giving points to the various ministers in Thabo Mbeki’s government. The same idea at work in the Gambia awarding points to ministers in Mr. Jammeh’s cabinet( based on hard work/performance and not sycophancy or nepotism or hopes of some rewards in bread and peanut butter) should take some of the flack off the president, a former military man now besieged by critics like yourself, armed with all kinds of verbal short and long range ammunition some of which is being fired below the belt. There are functions and responsibilities of each and every member of the reshuffled and re-appointed cabinet that we have heard so much about , isn’t there even something known as collective responsibility?
Here’s Mbeki and cabinet you can read and see how they fared.
The focus and obsession with Yahya Jammeh as the author of all of the Gambia’s ills ( hasn’t he done enough good, or any good?) could be relieved or brought into proper relief if he is not made to bear the brunt of all mishaps or mistakes and is not made to carry the burden of all responsibility.
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=294108&area=/insight/insight__national/
http://www.mg.co.za/articledirect.aspx?articleid=39323&area=%2finsight%2finsight__national%2f
The whole Kazoo:
http://www.mg.co.za/mg_search_results.aspx?keywords=Mbeki%27s%20cabinet%20given%20points&PrintEdition=PrintEdition&DailyNews=DailyNews&SearchSection=&StartDay=&StartMonth=&StartYear=&EndDay=&EndMonth=&EndYear=
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 13:45:47
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Cornelius,
You and your types constitute the building blocks to what Yayhya Jammeh is made of. To pursue a long arguement far enough has the prospects of turning it into its opposite. Let us be realisric and stop covering rotten skeletons with green leaves. Is is not true that Yahya Jammeh came to mis/rule Gambia by coup in the first place? Then he paved his way unto the prevailing democratic arena; the only way development partners and civilised democracies would recognise his military regime? Whatever is happening in Gambia today is nothing short of Jammeh's drive to sell his version of military-turning-elected president. It is an unfitting equation and that is why it takes more than this long that Gambia remains in crisis. Please, please, and please, don't mention this 60+ per centage !!!!!
Are you thinking right or simply want to argue? Can't you differentiate between dust and water? If you are thinking right (that is what I assume) then take account of all the facts and stop being selective as a cunning way of playing magic with fools. Do you need me or anyone to confirm if military decrees still govern in Gambia ? If you Cornelius of all will not face the truth and you prefer to deviate the course, that is something else. Choose your way and enjoy your choice. Why would Jammeh not have formed a political party in a more decent way rather than jumping the queue? With him now seeking to impose a type of military revolution, men like yourself are used as brain sticks to play around people's sentiments. It takes time but the truth, and for that matter whole truth will come to be. Have a nice Christmas. Enjoy yourself. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 13:45:47
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Cornelius,
You and your types constitute the building blocks to what Yayhya Jammeh is made of. To pursue a long arguement far enough has the prospects of turning it into its opposite. Let us be realisric and stop covering rotten skeletons with green leaves. Is is not true that Yahya Jammeh came to mis/rule Gambia by coup in the first place? Then he paved his way unto the prevailing democratic arena; the only way development partners and civilised democracies would recognise his military regime? Whatever is happening in Gambia today is nothing short of Jammeh's drive to sell his version of military-turning-elected president. It is an unfitting equation and that is why it takes more than this long that Gambia remains in crisis. Please, please, and please, don't mention this 60+ per centage !!!!!
Are you thinking right or simply want to argue? Can't you differentiate between dust and water? If you are thinking right (that is what I assume) then take account of all the facts and stop being selective as a cunning way of playing magic with fools. Do you need me or anyone to confirm if military decrees still govern in Gambia ? If you Cornelius of all will not face the truth and you prefer to deviate the course, that is something else. Choose your way and enjoy your choice. Why would Jammeh not have formed a political party in a more decent way rather than jumping the queue? With him now seeking to impose a type of military revolution, men like yourself are used as brain sticks to play around people's sentiments. It takes time but the truth, and for that matter whole truth will come to be. Have a nice Christmas. Enjoy yourself. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 11:53:38
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Good: morning/day/evening Cornelius,
We pick up from your demands "can you be specific ?" Be specific about which Military Decrees still prevail of the constitution of Gambia. Is that what you mean? Decree 45 is just one of them. But the biggest DECREE of all is Jammeh in body and soul. We Gambians are not aware of any moment when the army still being led by Yahya Jammeh have surrendered the country for a proper democracy. As far as we know, it is continuity and militarism in its various facets.
http://www.privacyinternational.org/_reports/hr96_privacyreport.html
http://www.usemb.se/human/1996/africa/gambia.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gambia
There are also international publications where Jammeh is clearly pitched out as still relying on military decrees more than he upholds and respects the true all-binding Gambian Constitution. Let us know if you still believe Military Decrees are not prevailing above our constitution. Since you are a man of facts and principles (again my assumption) you deserve the highest honour to admit that you had it wrong this time round. Try these links above and tell us if you have new knowledge to refute about anything that changed since then. Also, Sana Sabally on 24 December 2006 revealed on freedomnewspaper.com that they (Him, Yahya Jammeh, Edward, Yankuba, Sadibu) and other members of their junta summarily executed the alleged November 1994 coup plotters. Among those killed included Basiru Barrow, Dot Faal, Saye, Fafa Nyang, and many more. According to Sana Sabally, they killed the named army personnel and other colleagues in self-defence. Until today 25 December 2006, not a word has been uttered by Gambian president Yahya Jammeh about who killed the young soldiers, how and why. These killings and many maltreatments to innocent citizens are still not brought to book. Only military military dictatorship sustained by decrees will allow that to happen. Do you still hold firm that Gambians have to brush all that away and pretend like you that nothing is wrong? Will you keep armed robbers who also killed your brothers child students ? Do you know the number of families affected in Gambia under the cruel panks of these tricker hungry club you choose to promote. Is it because you are not Gambian and that's why you have no sympathy for those killed like chicks for doing nothing? It is only military decrees that would order the killing of coup suspects and government critics. In true democracies the law would land them in courts. If Sana Sabally (then 2nd to Jammeh) now tells Gambians that they killed the November 11 coup plotters in self defence, that is outside the generous purviews of our constitution and laws. Now tell us if that is still not arbirary and rule by decree. These decrees are still not repealed unless you have new evidence to show the contrary. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 11:53:38
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Good: morning/day/evening Cornelius,
We pick up from your demands "can you be specific ?" Be specific about which Military Decrees still prevail of the constitution of Gambia. Is that what you mean? Decree 45 is just one of them. But the biggest DECREE of all is Jammeh in body and soul. We Gambians are not aware of any moment when the army still being led by Yahya Jammeh have surrendered the country for a proper democracy. As far as we know, it is continuity and militarism in its various facets.
http://www.privacyinternational.org/_reports/hr96_privacyreport.html
http://www.usemb.se/human/1996/africa/gambia.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gambia
There are also international publications where Jammeh is clearly pitched out as still relying on military decrees more than he upholds and respects the true all-binding Gambian Constitution. Let us know if you still believe Military Decrees are not prevailing above our constitution. Since you are a man of facts and principles (again my assumption) you deserve the highest honour to admit that you had it wrong this time round. Try these links above and tell us if you have new knowledge to refute about anything that changed since then. Also, Sana Sabally on 24 December 2006 revealed on freedomnewspaper.com that they (Him, Yahya Jammeh, Edward, Yankuba, Sadibu) and other members of their junta summarily executed the alleged November 1994 coup plotters. Among those killed included Basiru Barrow, Dot Faal, Saye, Fafa Nyang, and many more. According to Sana Sabally, they killed the named army personnel and other colleagues in self-defence. Until today 25 December 2006, not a word has been uttered by Gambian president Yahya Jammeh about who killed the young soldiers, how and why. These killings and many maltreatments to innocent citizens are still not brought to book. Only military military dictatorship sustained by decrees will allow that to happen. Do you still hold firm that Gambians have to brush all that away and pretend like you that nothing is wrong? Will you keep armed robbers who also killed your brothers child students ? Do you know the number of families affected in Gambia under the cruel panks of these tricker hungry club you choose to promote. Is it because you are not Gambian and that's why you have no sympathy for those killed like chicks for doing nothing? It is only military decrees that would order the killing of coup suspects and government critics. In true democracies the law would land them in courts. If Sana Sabally (then 2nd to Jammeh) now tells Gambians that they killed the November 11 coup plotters in self defence, that is outside the generous purviews of our constitution and laws. Now tell us if that is still not arbirary and rule by decree. These decrees are still not repealed unless you have new evidence to show the contrary. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 20:11:03
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Long live the Gambia!
(Please ignore the links which are only meant for those who are interested – you can clearly see what is a link and what is the main body of what I myself am writing personally only because of love of people and at no time have I demanded that anyone read even this on this merry Christmas day:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3601#respond
Merry Xmas Karamba and the Gambia - or should I not say – better - the Gambia and Karamba, son of Gambia, who would mobilise awareness about the alleged – so far only alleged - tyranny of one mortal by the name of Yahya Jammeh.
The catalogue of violations mostly date back to 1996 after the bloodless coup of 23rd July 1994
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup+1994&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
And the recently reported atrocities for which those responsible ought to face the tune called Justice.
In Jewish law / Halakah, that much touted saying, “an eye for an eye” has always implied compensation:
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=AN+eye+for+an+eye&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=halakah&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=+%22A+life+for+a+life%22&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Be courageous always, speak the truth in your heart, stand up for your brothers and sisters wherever they may be, above all fear God Almighty, fear not Jammeh – he will only be here for a little while before he too will face the judgment at which he will be asked by One who is certainly not afraid of him, about the blood of any innocent ones created by the Almighty, and justice about that blood etc will be required of him, whosoever he be that spills it wantonly and unlawfully. At such a time he would have ceased being president. And certainly a little more humble in his gown. At such a time the Gambian judiciary or local Imams or supportive sycophants who tell him to his face that he can do no wrong or is the only one above the law, will be concerned about their own sentences which will be pending as the open gates of the everlasting fires are burning and yawning to receive more stones and men, and the supporters who presently see no wrong will say “I don’t know that guy” etc. It will be everyone for himself – and that includes, you and me. But the blood that is spilled will call out for Justice shrilly and in accusation, as did Abel’s (murdered by Cain.)
Genesis 4:10 :
“The LORD then said: "What have you done! Listen: your brother's blood cries out to me from the soil! “
http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis4.htm
Unfortunately my home computer is down, lines and card are out, so although I've checked your links I cannot now reply, but after accessing other information that is definitely not in those links, and other consultations ( with Gambians and non-Gambians) you may expect an appropriate level of reply from someone who is as concerned as you are about violations of our peoples’ HUMAN RIGHTS: Jammeh is only one mortal, put in a position to serve the people of the Gambia and even those beyond the shores and shires of that river.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=REv+Dr.+Martin+Luther+King+%3A+injustice+somewhere+is+a+threat+to+Justice+everywhere&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Incidentally your icon was also the icon of every schoolboy - apart from possibly my opponent at the UN Mock session that we held in school when I was in the fourth form, Muctarr Mustapha ( from whom I learned the word “fellaheen”) - the son of our then minister of finance Hon. M. S: Mustapha - I had always thought that Mutarr (one of our most hyperbolic of Sierra Leonean poets – and even in those days a real orator , was a supremely gifted one who could move minds, with words and ideas ( I expected him to lead the country some day) in those days he sported a Harry Belafonte hairstyle perhaps because he bore a remarkable resemblance to Harry Belafonte) and at that General Assembly debate he represented Fidel Castro and Cuba, whilst I represented the United States – I started my speech with greetings from your icon John F, the text of my own representation peppered with quotes from actual UN sessions and his mostly from the fiery rhetoric to be mostly famously found in that paper that he introduced me to, namely the English edition of the official Cuban Communist Party paper Granma of which I too became an avid reader - with several pages long of Fidel’s every oration. After the session one of President Kennedy’s embassy staff congratulated me, but it was indeed Muzzu who was the passionate orator on that occasion. Africa (and Africans) must unite and he did eventually marry the daughter of the former president of Ghana Akuffo Addo and it is the duty of all uncles to get in touch with his children, as I’m sure George Morgan must be doing. But just look at how we are spread out throughout the Diaspora. That’s why things have not been going so swimmingly in Sierra Leone. The last time I met Muctarr was in early 1970, which was also the last time I was in Sierra Leone, for week in March – same week Tabu Ley played in Freetown with African Fiesta Sukisa, and Muctarr and I and some other friends had a few beers at the Kit Kat bar on Westmoreland Street once our hang out - as men about town - , almost opposite the Sacred Heart Cathedral and next to Odeon Cinema. WE alkso sometimes hung out at Freddie Ferrari's City Hotel. I wonder if these buildings are still there or were also burnt down by the RUF during their “Operation Spare no living Soul”
For some strange reason I had always thought that Muctarr was Themne ( I know the West end and central parts of Freetown – all the nooks and crannies like the back of my hand , like the way I knew Nima in central Accra, but not the East End of Freetown. – that must be why) It’s only a few years ago – after his passing away, that I learned that he was KRIO / AKU….. and you know me, I’m not into this tribe (Yoruba, Zulu or Igbo) against that tribe ( Fullah, Hausa, kalabari or Ogoni from Bonny), I don’t even necessarily want to know – although I did ask Demba, what are the things that cause offence to the honourable Mandinka man, so that I avoid such, at all costs--- yes his money, meat and his woman … (and the passing of illicit gas in public which I understand is suicidal behaviour….
http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Akuffo+Addo&spell=1
But indeed " the way to man's heart is through his stomach" and what most endeared very Prince Walean to John F was the free lunch we all enjoyed during every long school break – the flour freely donated to the School, from the US and from which was made the blessed bread which soon earned the beloved name “Kennedy” – not too far removed from the Catholic’s theological concept referred to as TRANSUBSTANTIATION, by which bread is transformed into the living body and blood (hence you don’t have to also drink the wine – the blood) of Jesus. The bread found a way into our hearts as a personal embodiment of the president ( please don't call us spirituual cannibals ) and Yahya could try that line of a love-winning approach......
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=John+F.+Kennedy&meta=
When president Kennedy was assassinated we all cried – as much as I groaned and moaned when Olof Palme was assassinated, that early morning after a sound night’s sleep I picked up the morning paper which proclaimed that Mr. Palme had been shot dead ---- just five minutes walk from where I lived for 24 years, in down town Stockholm and there was also Rev Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and further afield, Patrice Lumumba, Samora Machel (remember what made us weep – that NKOMATI ACCORD?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkomati_Accord
And also wept like a blues boy, when Anna Lindh was also repeatedly stabbed to death by a senseless killer.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Anna+Lindh&meta=
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 20:11:03
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Long live the Gambia!
(Please ignore the links which are only meant for those who are interested – you can clearly see what is a link and what is the main body of what I myself am writing personally only because of love of people and at no time have I demanded that anyone read even this on this merry Christmas day:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3601#respond
Merry Xmas Karamba and the Gambia - or should I not say – better - the Gambia and Karamba, son of Gambia, who would mobilise awareness about the alleged – so far only alleged - tyranny of one mortal by the name of Yahya Jammeh.
The catalogue of violations mostly date back to 1996 after the bloodless coup of 23rd July 1994
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup+1994&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
And the recently reported atrocities for which those responsible ought to face the tune called Justice.
In Jewish law / Halakah, that much touted saying, “an eye for an eye” has always implied compensation:
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=AN+eye+for+an+eye&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=halakah&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=+%22A+life+for+a+life%22&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Be courageous always, speak the truth in your heart, stand up for your brothers and sisters wherever they may be, above all fear God Almighty, fear not Jammeh – he will only be here for a little while before he too will face the judgment at which he will be asked by One who is certainly not afraid of him, about the blood of any innocent ones created by the Almighty, and justice about that blood etc will be required of him, whosoever he be that spills it wantonly and unlawfully. At such a time he would have ceased being president. And certainly a little more humble in his gown. At such a time the Gambian judiciary or local Imams or supportive sycophants who tell him to his face that he can do no wrong or is the only one above the law, will be concerned about their own sentences which will be pending as the open gates of the everlasting fires are burning and yawning to receive more stones and men, and the supporters who presently see no wrong will say “I don’t know that guy” etc. It will be everyone for himself – and that includes, you and me. But the blood that is spilled will call out for Justice shrilly and in accusation, as did Abel’s (murdered by Cain.)
Genesis 4:10 :
“The LORD then said: "What have you done! Listen: your brother's blood cries out to me from the soil! “
http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis4.htm
Unfortunately my home computer is down, lines and card are out, so although I've checked your links I cannot now reply, but after accessing other information that is definitely not in those links, and other consultations ( with Gambians and non-Gambians) you may expect an appropriate level of reply from someone who is as concerned as you are about violations of our peoples’ HUMAN RIGHTS: Jammeh is only one mortal, put in a position to serve the people of the Gambia and even those beyond the shores and shires of that river.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=REv+Dr.+Martin+Luther+King+%3A+injustice+somewhere+is+a+threat+to+Justice+everywhere&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Incidentally your icon was also the icon of every schoolboy - apart from possibly my opponent at the UN Mock session that we held in school when I was in the fourth form, Muctarr Mustapha ( from whom I learned the word “fellaheen”) - the son of our then minister of finance Hon. M. S: Mustapha - I had always thought that Mutarr (one of our most hyperbolic of Sierra Leonean poets – and even in those days a real orator , was a supremely gifted one who could move minds, with words and ideas ( I expected him to lead the country some day) in those days he sported a Harry Belafonte hairstyle perhaps because he bore a remarkable resemblance to Harry Belafonte) and at that General Assembly debate he represented Fidel Castro and Cuba, whilst I represented the United States – I started my speech with greetings from your icon John F, the text of my own representation peppered with quotes from actual UN sessions and his mostly from the fiery rhetoric to be mostly famously found in that paper that he introduced me to, namely the English edition of the official Cuban Communist Party paper Granma of which I too became an avid reader - with several pages long of Fidel’s every oration. After the session one of President Kennedy’s embassy staff congratulated me, but it was indeed Muzzu who was the passionate orator on that occasion. Africa (and Africans) must unite and he did eventually marry the daughter of the former president of Ghana Akuffo Addo and it is the duty of all uncles to get in touch with his children, as I’m sure George Morgan must be doing. But just look at how we are spread out throughout the Diaspora. That’s why things have not been going so swimmingly in Sierra Leone. The last time I met Muctarr was in early 1970, which was also the last time I was in Sierra Leone, for week in March – same week Tabu Ley played in Freetown with African Fiesta Sukisa, and Muctarr and I and some other friends had a few beers at the Kit Kat bar on Westmoreland Street once our hang out - as men about town - , almost opposite the Sacred Heart Cathedral and next to Odeon Cinema. WE alkso sometimes hung out at Freddie Ferrari's City Hotel. I wonder if these buildings are still there or were also burnt down by the RUF during their “Operation Spare no living Soul”
For some strange reason I had always thought that Muctarr was Themne ( I know the West end and central parts of Freetown – all the nooks and crannies like the back of my hand , like the way I knew Nima in central Accra, but not the East End of Freetown. – that must be why) It’s only a few years ago – after his passing away, that I learned that he was KRIO / AKU….. and you know me, I’m not into this tribe (Yoruba, Zulu or Igbo) against that tribe ( Fullah, Hausa, kalabari or Ogoni from Bonny), I don’t even necessarily want to know – although I did ask Demba, what are the things that cause offence to the honourable Mandinka man, so that I avoid such, at all costs--- yes his money, meat and his woman … (and the passing of illicit gas in public which I understand is suicidal behaviour….
http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Akuffo+Addo&spell=1
But indeed " the way to man's heart is through his stomach" and what most endeared very Prince Walean to John F was the free lunch we all enjoyed during every long school break – the flour freely donated to the School, from the US and from which was made the blessed bread which soon earned the beloved name “Kennedy” – not too far removed from the Catholic’s theological concept referred to as TRANSUBSTANTIATION, by which bread is transformed into the living body and blood (hence you don’t have to also drink the wine – the blood) of Jesus. The bread found a way into our hearts as a personal embodiment of the president ( please don't call us spirituual cannibals ) and Yahya could try that line of a love-winning approach......
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=John+F.+Kennedy&meta=
When president Kennedy was assassinated we all cried – as much as I groaned and moaned when Olof Palme was assassinated, that early morning after a sound night’s sleep I picked up the morning paper which proclaimed that Mr. Palme had been shot dead ---- just five minutes walk from where I lived for 24 years, in down town Stockholm and there was also Rev Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and further afield, Patrice Lumumba, Samora Machel (remember what made us weep – that NKOMATI ACCORD?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkomati_Accord
And also wept like a blues boy, when Anna Lindh was also repeatedly stabbed to death by a senseless killer.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Anna+Lindh&meta=
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[quote]Originally posted by Karamba
". ...........Please, please, and please, don't mention this 60+ per centage !!!!! ....................." (Karamba)
I did not understand that line. Please explain more cogently.....
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[quote]Originally posted by Karamba
". ...........Please, please, and please, don't mention this 60+ per centage !!!!! ....................." (Karamba)
I did not understand that line. Please explain more cogently.....
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Karamba
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 21:19:14
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Cornelius,
When will you want to focus and to prioritise your information in relevant sequence? This is not about Gramma of Cuba neither about Pravda or KGB secret files. We are not dealing with America, Sefadou, Kono, or Freetown. We are dealing with Gambia and political currency of that tiny West African nation. The issue at hand is not about Jola, Mandingo, Fulani, Manjago, Serrahuley, or any ethnicity. I don't care who is Mandingo Jola or Mende or Temene. For now, that is not the subject. For me and others like me individuals are not important compared to the issue of our country Gambia. It is not the Jolas that are offending Gambians. A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and evil.
There is no doubt that you hold a good bank of information from reading and from real life. The question at hand is: "Can a government by coup become democratic at all?" If you have an answer, please share it. You have until now been deviating the subject and the issues at hand. Did you also read recent postings on freedomnewspaper.com and realise that is not coming from Karamba or Mathew Jallow? This is the true and sincere voice of concerned Gambians.
About the 60+ %, it was what Yahya schemed to achieve. Nothing to boast about. Now then, is it proper that after claiming 60+% support from a population of voters a president has to use iron fist to fight back? You will do greater justice to reduce the noise level in your postings so that we remain focus. It is also the more easier to digest when the chunks of words are thinner. Have a nice time. |
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Karamba
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 21:19:14
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Cornelius,
When will you want to focus and to prioritise your information in relevant sequence? This is not about Gramma of Cuba neither about Pravda or KGB secret files. We are not dealing with America, Sefadou, Kono, or Freetown. We are dealing with Gambia and political currency of that tiny West African nation. The issue at hand is not about Jola, Mandingo, Fulani, Manjago, Serrahuley, or any ethnicity. I don't care who is Mandingo Jola or Mende or Temene. For now, that is not the subject. For me and others like me individuals are not important compared to the issue of our country Gambia. It is not the Jolas that are offending Gambians. A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and evil.
There is no doubt that you hold a good bank of information from reading and from real life. The question at hand is: "Can a government by coup become democratic at all?" If you have an answer, please share it. You have until now been deviating the subject and the issues at hand. Did you also read recent postings on freedomnewspaper.com and realise that is not coming from Karamba or Mathew Jallow? This is the true and sincere voice of concerned Gambians.
About the 60+ %, it was what Yahya schemed to achieve. Nothing to boast about. Now then, is it proper that after claiming 60+% support from a population of voters a president has to use iron fist to fight back? You will do greater justice to reduce the noise level in your postings so that we remain focus. It is also the more easier to digest when the chunks of words are thinner. Have a nice time. |
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Cornelius
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 22:17:26
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Bear with me, your story telling brother of the oral tradition, talking about people giving a background and a blackground to where you think you are by that sliver of river.Do you too want to be like the one who ”wants it all and he wants it his way.”?
http://bobdylan.com/songs/license.html
Today, I don’t have to be here. There are other places to be – much more effectively - not talking about Sierra Leone either.
As always I’m doing the best I can with my 2 cents worth contributions. If it’s for justice, your fight is my fight, but first to know that I must win your confidence. What I respect so much about Malcolm X is that he didn’t deceive anyone and he was intelligent to lead and could have led meaninglessly like some unto a cul-de-sac
In writing to you, I am also writing through you to my brother there and my sister somewhere else. I can only talk about the Africa that I know, that I’ve been to and lived in. I am not embroiled in your politics in exactly the same way that your are - and that you will be for in the final analysis I am not a Gambian proper , just as I found out in Nigeria , that Patrick Wilmot was – is a Jamaican and not a Nigerian. I am thinking about the time when he advocated that Nigeria develop nuclear weapons and become a lion – to then talk with apartheid South Africa. IN a long article in a Nigerian paper, which I read that morning he advocated that we start dancing “Mathematical rhythms.” The order came form the Federal government, that he should be deported. His students hid him.
In cyber space place, it’s slightly different and you guys should remain at the helm of affairs.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot+of+Jamaica&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot+of+Jamaica+and+Nigeria&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot+of+Africa&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot&meta=
I approach the centre gradually, from the periphery.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/html/20060505T210000-0500_103966_OBS_OF_CHALK_AND_CHEESE__COMPARING_JAMAICA_WITH_NIGERIA.asp
Discard all that is irrelevant but don't throw away the baby with the dish water. Sorry if I cannot or do not want to measure up to your requirements of what you believe is the excruciatingly relevant - for me -it's all part of my own (personal) note-making.
Another thing: and I have been advised by some local Salone pundit to the contrary. But when I get into a conflict, I tend to give a little blow in exchange for a little blow, and the conflict might escalate, but when I'm by then truly ready, well its time for the undertaker....
NB Israel for example is the no 3 military might in the world today ( talking about Hezbollah won this and won that, Iran can this and that Israel cannot fight US; Russia or China , but Israel can win any other war.
NB. The US is not at war against Iraq.
And against Iran, those who can, can drop a few relevant bombs and leave the Iranians to pick up what’s left of the pieces, but of course with respect and reverence for life, nobody is dreaming of doing that.
Having said all that I will in future be strictly subordinated to the theme at hand, looking neither to the left or right or past or present…. But my notes are useful to me - not to you – person-ally. And hot as you are, I could surprise you.
I have already answered your somewhat hypothetical question "Can a government by coup become democratic at all?" by directing your attention an actual political fact that Yahya Jammeh is the legitimate ledaer not by bullet but by ballots: being democratically elected leader of the Gambia. He won the election with 67.23% of the Gambian people's vote. He could have won by less votes and still be president like his counterparts in Africa and elsewhere whether Karamba likes it or Karamba likes it not. On a comparative basis, we could point to Jerry Rawlings of Ghana and Muhammad Murtala of Nigeria, among other examples of that sure transfer of democartic rule from the military to democarcy. Now the era of African coupsd is over ( but not in Fiji or THialnad apparently) if you should care to expand your relative horizons beyond that immediate strip of histoty , geograhically and culturally defined as "The Gambia"
Have you checked at the Commonwealth website?
http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Templates/System/search.asp?q=The+Gambia&NodeID=20643&output=xml_no_dtd&client=default_frontend&site=default_collection&oe=UTF-8
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Cornelius
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 22:17:26
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Bear with me, your story telling brother of the oral tradition, talking about people giving a background and a blackground to where you think you are by that sliver of river.Do you too want to be like the one who ”wants it all and he wants it his way.”?
http://bobdylan.com/songs/license.html
Today, I don’t have to be here. There are other places to be – much more effectively - not talking about Sierra Leone either.
As always I’m doing the best I can with my 2 cents worth contributions. If it’s for justice, your fight is my fight, but first to know that I must win your confidence. What I respect so much about Malcolm X is that he didn’t deceive anyone and he was intelligent to lead and could have led meaninglessly like some unto a cul-de-sac
In writing to you, I am also writing through you to my brother there and my sister somewhere else. I can only talk about the Africa that I know, that I’ve been to and lived in. I am not embroiled in your politics in exactly the same way that your are - and that you will be for in the final analysis I am not a Gambian proper , just as I found out in Nigeria , that Patrick Wilmot was – is a Jamaican and not a Nigerian. I am thinking about the time when he advocated that Nigeria develop nuclear weapons and become a lion – to then talk with apartheid South Africa. IN a long article in a Nigerian paper, which I read that morning he advocated that we start dancing “Mathematical rhythms.” The order came form the Federal government, that he should be deported. His students hid him.
In cyber space place, it’s slightly different and you guys should remain at the helm of affairs.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot+of+Jamaica&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot+of+Jamaica+and+Nigeria&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot+of+Africa&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Patrick+Wilmot&meta=
I approach the centre gradually, from the periphery.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/html/20060505T210000-0500_103966_OBS_OF_CHALK_AND_CHEESE__COMPARING_JAMAICA_WITH_NIGERIA.asp
Discard all that is irrelevant but don't throw away the baby with the dish water. Sorry if I cannot or do not want to measure up to your requirements of what you believe is the excruciatingly relevant - for me -it's all part of my own (personal) note-making.
Another thing: and I have been advised by some local Salone pundit to the contrary. But when I get into a conflict, I tend to give a little blow in exchange for a little blow, and the conflict might escalate, but when I'm by then truly ready, well its time for the undertaker....
NB Israel for example is the no 3 military might in the world today ( talking about Hezbollah won this and won that, Iran can this and that Israel cannot fight US; Russia or China , but Israel can win any other war.
NB. The US is not at war against Iraq.
And against Iran, those who can, can drop a few relevant bombs and leave the Iranians to pick up what’s left of the pieces, but of course with respect and reverence for life, nobody is dreaming of doing that.
Having said all that I will in future be strictly subordinated to the theme at hand, looking neither to the left or right or past or present…. But my notes are useful to me - not to you – person-ally. And hot as you are, I could surprise you.
I have already answered your somewhat hypothetical question "Can a government by coup become democratic at all?" by directing your attention an actual political fact that Yahya Jammeh is the legitimate ledaer not by bullet but by ballots: being democratically elected leader of the Gambia. He won the election with 67.23% of the Gambian people's vote. He could have won by less votes and still be president like his counterparts in Africa and elsewhere whether Karamba likes it or Karamba likes it not. On a comparative basis, we could point to Jerry Rawlings of Ghana and Muhammad Murtala of Nigeria, among other examples of that sure transfer of democartic rule from the military to democarcy. Now the era of African coupsd is over ( but not in Fiji or THialnad apparently) if you should care to expand your relative horizons beyond that immediate strip of histoty , geograhically and culturally defined as "The Gambia"
Have you checked at the Commonwealth website?
http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Templates/System/search.asp?q=The+Gambia&NodeID=20643&output=xml_no_dtd&client=default_frontend&site=default_collection&oe=UTF-8
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Karamba
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Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 23:23:41
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Cornelius,
There is no conflict. This is simple exchange in cyberspace. On my part, I am not as important to feel personally offended. I am not also hurt by any of your remarks either. I have once advised users of Bantaba to read you Cornelius. That means I am reading you too. I stand by this for good reasons that I consider yours quite fruitful. It is just for this occasion when I realised we are shifting focus.
Do not misunderstand me as not being interested in the affairs of motherland Africa. I too have my connections in Sierra Leone and other states in our subregion. This is everything to me. For now, Gambia is in such serious crises that we need to track ourselves on course. If you or anyone is able to contribute towards our salvation through your bank of knowledge, that is the best gift Gambians will always appreciate. Innocent people cannot be exposed to a president who thinks that killing some opponents is the way to control the remaining. This is worrying and need to be discussed. Simple. Nothing against you. I will keep on reading your posts and here to admit how much I learn from you. Does this send the message clearer? |
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