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Karamba
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 Posted - 25 Dec 2006 : 23:23:41
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Cornelius,
There is no conflict. This is simple exchange in cyberspace. On my part, I am not as important to feel personally offended. I am not also hurt by any of your remarks either. I have once advised users of Bantaba to read you Cornelius. That means I am reading you too. I stand by this for good reasons that I consider yours quite fruitful. It is just for this occasion when I realised we are shifting focus.
Do not misunderstand me as not being interested in the affairs of motherland Africa. I too have my connections in Sierra Leone and other states in our subregion. This is everything to me. For now, Gambia is in such serious crises that we need to track ourselves on course. If you or anyone is able to contribute towards our salvation through your bank of knowledge, that is the best gift Gambians will always appreciate. Innocent people cannot be exposed to a president who thinks that killing some opponents is the way to control the remaining. This is worrying and need to be discussed. Simple. Nothing against you. I will keep on reading your posts and here to admit how much I learn from you. Does this send the message clearer? |
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Cornelius
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 17:00:15
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Originally posted by Karamba
Cornelius,
When will you want to focus and to prioritise your information in relevant sequence? This is not about Gramma of Cuba neither about Pravda or KGB secret files. We are not dealing with America, Sefadou, Kono, or Freetown. We are dealing with Gambia and political currency of that tiny West African nation. The issue at hand is not about Jola, Mandingo, Fulani, Manjago, Serrahuley, or any ethnicity. I don't care who is Mandingo Jola or Mende or Temene. For now, that is not the subject. For me and others like me individuals are not important compared to the issue of our country Gambia. It is not the Jolas that are offending Gambians. A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and evil.
There is no doubt that you hold a good bank of information from reading and from real life. The question at hand is: "Can a government by coup become democratic at all?" If you have an answer, please share it. You have until now been deviating the subject and the issues at hand. Did you also read recent postings on freedomnewspaper.com and realise that is not coming from Karamba or Mathew Jallow? This is the true and sincere voice of concerned Gambians.
About the 60+ %, it was what Yahya schemed to achieve. Nothing to boast about. Now then, is it proper that after claiming 60+% support from a population of voters a president has to use iron fist to fight back? You will do greater justice to reduce the noise level in your postings so that we remain focus. It is also the more easier to digest when the chunks of words are thinner. Have a nice time.
Brother Karamba,
EVIL? What would happen if inspired by his best friend in Iran, following in such footsteps, he could do this:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3599#comments
“…….his version of military-turning-elected president.”?
There have been other spectacular cases – would Colin Powell make a good president of the US or not?
There was
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Dwight+Eisenhower&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Ehud+Barak&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Ariel+Sharon&meta=
Jerry Rawlings (Junior Jesus, who came again)in my opinion, remarkably successful, performed very credibly – wrestling with all the problems that he inherited – and pushing ahead progress for nineteen years (special Qur'anic & Masonic number, 19)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Jerry+Rawlings&spell=1
One thing that you can observer about military men turned president – and I came across this criticism of Warrior Sharon, especially during his bulldozing of the decree by which Gaza was made Judenrein – is that military men are used to giving orders, and perhaps less used to submitting to democratic processes. Consider Yitzhak Shamir (the tiger) who used to say “We are prepared to negotiate forever!"
I’m back at the downtown internet café. Otherwise I’d have got back to you last night.
First of all thanks for that someone who explained that in Mandinka, Karamba means something like karamoh – teacher + wisdom and not to be associated with that Spanish interjection of surprise I’m sure that your icon Kennedy saw in some Mexican cowboy movie in which the guy in the sombrero somewhere in El Paso exclaims “ Caramba!” I too am not offended because there is no sign of arrogance in you. You do however give the impression of urgency to the matter at hand, that it is an emergency. It’s always good to have a total picture, otherwise the analysis (anyone’s) is based on a very faulty – and therefore inaccurate and incomplete data. We need all the essential and possible missing links. ( By the way I have experienced – been on the spot during a total of 8 military coups – during which I was feeling a little like Woody Allen, without his bullet-proof vest on.)
Since we are friends (despite your being so incognito) I‘d like you to know that you are free to tell me anything you like. We are different people and you are eligible to be disappointed in whatever I say that falls short of what you expect from me and you are free to expect me to say only that which makes sense to you and of which you approve. By all means enjoy your freedom and you may count on me to support a cause that empowers democracy – people’s right to choose the way in which their standard of living should improve.
Try to answer my questions: 1. what’s the security situation in the Gambia? Security is very important and as you must realise, most essential in asserting the territorial integrity of the Gambia.
In a previous link you must have come across this interesting piece of the past:
“The Committee cites specific allegations about the circumstances of the detention of "two British residents" in Gambia, Mr Al- Rawi and Mr El- Banna. The Government can confirm that the UK did not request the detention of either of the men in Gambia and did not play any role in their transfer to Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. “
You see people come and go to the Gambia and so, security is of uttermost importance- especially if the non-democratically minded should ever think of deposing Mr. Jammeh by foul play and by non-democratic means.
http://www.parliament.uk/
Type CASAMANCE in the search column.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/cgi-bin/semaphoreserver?DB=semukparl&FILE=search
YOU ASK:
"Can a government by coup become democratic at all?"
In the situation in which we find ourselves, what we could be advocating( apart from vilifying ) is a workable program of democratic reform starting perhaps with benchmarks towards the repeal of you say are “military decrees hanging above the constitution.” And of course more liberalisation of the press, so that journalists do not operate in an atmosphere of fear – of death, of the fulfilment of death threats, of disappearing and of actual rigor mortis……
http://www.cpu.org.uk/forum_2003/cr_gamb.html
AS to the reports to which you refer, are they or could they be in the same vein of that erstwhile 2trustworthy” report , accompanied by so much noise, clamouring, and the tear-dropping which announce that madam Kamuso had perished through torture she was subjected to whilst in detention in one of Yahya’s Saddamic dungeons, specially created for that purpose. – Only to find, soon thereafter that it was all untrue?
Karamba, I should think that you would reflect some more of the mentality of your icon JOHN F: KENNEDY. However in your last address to me/ us, you (and Santanfara) sound more like George W. than John F: you sound that as a first (not last resort) you’d like to get in there, guns blazing, storm troopers breezing, marines cruising down river in what would be a one hour operation – and then it’s all over, the removing/ outing of our democratically elected Yahya, by the use ofoverwhelming barbaric militray force. ( Saddam used to say " Cowards! let them come and let us fight, man to man!" What is most worrying is that I notice that you have started using one of his favourite words: EVIL:
You also say that “ A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and EVIL.”
“ Innocent people cannot be exposed to a president who thinks that killing some opponents is the way to control the remaining.”
Whilst redaing the excerpt below, comapriosn with Yahya Jammeh will inevitably pop up in your mind. In which case it must be a matter of scale. Of comparative evil ( to you) I anticipate you and I hear you say " Evil is evil" and perhaps you ARE talking about "absolute evil" undiluted evil" , the d-evil....?
Ah, but there is that holy kanilai water.....and Gollum himself agrees with me .....
Let me quote this little passage from “Modernity and the Problem of Evil “to show you exactly what I mean:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%E2%80%9CModernity+and+the+Problem+of+Evil+%E2%80%9C+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
“………the most recent re-emergence of the rhetoric of evil raises the questions ass to whether this tension has been resolved in favour of the theological. President George W Bush, in his first public comments following the September 11 attacks, concluded his brief remarks this way: “This will be a monumental struggle of good versus evil, but good will prevail.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010912-4.html
One month later, in the first formal White House press conference of his administration and the first after the September 11 attacks, the president mentioned “evil” and “evildoers” twelve times.
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/conflict/bprc1011.htm
What is most disturbing about these remarks is the relative absence of the adjectival form, as “Evil” takes its place as a proper noun – indeed, a proper name. We are reminded about “ the evil that was done to us”; we’re urged to “ condemn hate and evil and murder and prejudice”; we’re told “ we must defeat the evildoers where they hide”; we’re told ( remember this was only five weeks after the attacks) in one of the few adjectival forms that “ There’s no question that the leader of Iraq is an evil man” and that “on our TV screens the other day, we saw the evil one threatening.” (The reference would appear to be Osama bin laden, but it might refer to Satan as well – about which more in a moment). Perhaps most distressing, we are told that “ we learned a good lesson on September the 11th, that there is evil in this world,” and that “ it’s essential that all moms and dads and citizens tell their children we love them and there is love in the world, but also remind them there are evil people.” And, the president said explicitly, “We’re fighting evil.”
Were these comments citations from Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings”; one might be comfortable with the ease with which the personification of evil has been effected.”
You asked me: “Cornelius, When will you want to focus and to prioritise your information in relevant sequence?” This talk of sequencing! I did point out in advance, to what could be extraneous, and you must also observe that there was a structure to what you may regard as my corny response, that you were reacting to:
(a) Which is in blue
(b) In black: My reminiscing about my own personal connection to your ICON, JOHN F. KENNEDY, who also means a lot to me, not just his visage, which accompanies your every posting.
Here it is all over again:
Long live the Gambia!
(Please ignore the links which are only meant for those who are interested – you can clearly see what is a link and what is the main body of what I myself am writing personally only because of love of people and at no time have I demanded that anyone read even this on this merry Christmas day:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3601#respond
Merry Xmas Karamba and the Gambia - or should I not say – better - the Gambia and Karamba, son of Gambia, who would mobilise awareness about the alleged – so far only alleged - tyranny of one mortal by the name of Yahya Jammeh.
The catalogue of violations mostly date back to 1996 after the bloodless coup of 23rd July 1994
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup+1994&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
And the recently reported atrocities for which those responsible ought to face the tune called Justice.
In Jewish law / Halakah, that much touted saying, “an eye for an eye” has always implied compensation:
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=AN+eye+for+an+eye&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=halakah&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=+%22A+life+for+a+life%22&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Be courageous always, speak the truth in your heart, stand up for your brothers and sisters wherever they may be, above all fear God Almighty, fear not Jammeh – he will only be here for a little while before he too will face the judgment at which he will be asked by One who is certainly not afraid of him, about the blood of any innocent ones created by the Almighty, and justice about that blood etc will be required of him, whosoever he be that spills it wantonly and unlawfully. At such a time he would have ceased being president. And certainly a little more humble in his gown. At such a time the Gambian judiciary or local Imams or supportive sycophants who tell him to his face that he can do no wrong or is the only one above the law, will be concerned about their own sentences which will be pending as the open gates of the everlasting fires are burning and yawning to receive more stones and men, and the supporters who presently see no wrong will say “I don’t know that guy” etc. It will be everyone for himself – and that includes, you and me. But the blood that is spilled will call out for Justice shrilly and in accusation, as did Abel’s (murdered by Cain.)
Genesis 4:10 :
“The LORD then said: "What have you done! Listen: your brother's blood cries out to me from the soil! “
http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis4.htm
Unfortunately my home computer is down, lines and card are out, so although I've checked your links I cannot now reply, but after accessing other information that is definitely not in those links, and other consultations ( with Gambians and non-Gambians) you may expect an appropriate level of reply from someone who is as concerned as you are about violations of our peoples’ HUMAN RIGHTS: Jammeh is only one mortal, put in a position to serve the people of the Gambia and even those beyond the shores and shires of that river.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=REv+Dr.+Martin+Luther+King+%3A+injustice+somewhere+is+a+threat+to+Justice+everywhere&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Incidentally your icon was also the icon of every schoolboy - apart from possibly my opponent at the UN Mock session that we held in school when I was in the fourth form, Muctarr Mustapha ( from whom I learned the word “fellaheen”) - the son of our then minister of finance Hon. M. S: Mustapha - I had always thought that Mutarr (one of our most hyperbolic of Sierra Leonean poets – and even in those days a real orator , was a supremely gifted one who could move minds, with words and ideas ( I expected him to lead the country some day) in those days he sported a Harry Belafonte hairstyle perhaps because he bore a remarkable resemblance to Harry Belafonte) and at that General Assembly debate he represented Fidel Castro and Cuba, whilst I represented the United States – I started my speech with greetings from your icon John F, the text of my own representation peppered with quotes from actual UN sessions and his mostly from the fiery rhetoric to be mostly famously found in that paper that he introduced me to, namely the English edition of the official Cuban Communist Party paper Granma of which I too became an avid reader - with several pages long of Fidel’s every oration. After the session one of President Kennedy’s embassy staff congratulated me, but it was indeed Muzzu who was the passionate orator on that occasion. Africa (and Africans) must unite and he did eventually marry the daughter of the former president of Ghana Akuffo Addo and it is the duty of all uncles to get in touch with his children, as I’m sure George Morgan must be doing. But just look at how we are spread out throughout the Diaspora. That’s why things have not been going so swimmingly in Sierra Leone. The last time I met Muctarr was in early 1970, which was also the last time I was in Sierra Leone, for week in March – same week Tabu Ley played in Freetown with African Fiesta Sukisa, and Muctarr and I and some other friends had a few beers at the Kit Kat bar on Westmoreland Street once our hang out - as men about town - , almost opposite the Sacred Heart Cathedral and next to Odeon Cinema. WE alkso sometimes hung out at Freddie Ferrari's City Hotel. I wonder if these buildings are still there or were also burnt down by the RUF during their “Operation Spare no living Soul”
For some strange reason I had always thought that Muctarr was Themne ( I know the West end and central parts of Freetown – all the nooks and crannies like the back of my hand , like the way I knew Nima in central Accra, but not the East End of Freetown. – that must be why) It’s only a few years ago – after his passing away, that I learned that he was KRIO / AKU….. and you know me, I’m not into this tribe (Yoruba, Zulu or Igbo) against that tribe ( Fullah, Hausa, kalabari or Ogoni from Bonny), I don’t even necessarily want to know – although I did ask Demba, what are the things that cause offence to the honourable Mandinka man, so that I avoid such, at all costs--- yes his money, meat and his woman … (and the passing of illicit gas in public which I understand is suicidal behaviour….
http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Akuffo+Addo&spell=1
But indeed " the way to man's heart is through his stomach" and what most endeared very Prince Walean to John F was the free lunch we all enjoyed during every long school break – the flour freely donated to the School, from the US and from which was made the blessed bread which soon earned the beloved name “Kennedy” – not too far removed from the Catholic’s theological concept referred to as TRANSUBSTANTIATION, by which bread is transformed into the living body and blood (hence you don’t have to also drink the wine – the blood) of Jesus. The bread found a way into our hearts as a personal embodiment of the president ( please don't call us spirituual cannibals ) and Yahya could try that line of a love-winning approach......
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=John+F.+Kennedy&meta=
When president Kennedy was assassinated we all cried – as much as I groaned and moaned when Olof Palme was assassinated, that early morning after a sound night’s sleep I picked up the morning paper which proclaimed that Mr. Palme had been shot dead ---- just five minutes walk from where I lived for 24 years, in down town Stockholm and there was also Rev Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and further afield, Patrice Lumumba, Samora Machel (remember what made us weep – that NKOMATI ACCORD?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkomati_Accord
And also wept like a blues boy, when Anna Lindh was also repeatedly stabbed to death by a senseless killer.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Anna+Lindh&meta=
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 17:00:15
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Originally posted by Karamba
Cornelius,
When will you want to focus and to prioritise your information in relevant sequence? This is not about Gramma of Cuba neither about Pravda or KGB secret files. We are not dealing with America, Sefadou, Kono, or Freetown. We are dealing with Gambia and political currency of that tiny West African nation. The issue at hand is not about Jola, Mandingo, Fulani, Manjago, Serrahuley, or any ethnicity. I don't care who is Mandingo Jola or Mende or Temene. For now, that is not the subject. For me and others like me individuals are not important compared to the issue of our country Gambia. It is not the Jolas that are offending Gambians. A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and evil.
There is no doubt that you hold a good bank of information from reading and from real life. The question at hand is: "Can a government by coup become democratic at all?" If you have an answer, please share it. You have until now been deviating the subject and the issues at hand. Did you also read recent postings on freedomnewspaper.com and realise that is not coming from Karamba or Mathew Jallow? This is the true and sincere voice of concerned Gambians.
About the 60+ %, it was what Yahya schemed to achieve. Nothing to boast about. Now then, is it proper that after claiming 60+% support from a population of voters a president has to use iron fist to fight back? You will do greater justice to reduce the noise level in your postings so that we remain focus. It is also the more easier to digest when the chunks of words are thinner. Have a nice time.
Brother Karamba,
EVIL? What would happen if inspired by his best friend in Iran, following in such footsteps, he could do this:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3599#comments
“…….his version of military-turning-elected president.”?
There have been other spectacular cases – would Colin Powell make a good president of the US or not?
There was
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Dwight+Eisenhower&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Ehud+Barak&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Ariel+Sharon&meta=
Jerry Rawlings (Junior Jesus, who came again)in my opinion, remarkably successful, performed very credibly – wrestling with all the problems that he inherited – and pushing ahead progress for nineteen years (special Qur'anic & Masonic number, 19)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Jerry+Rawlings&spell=1
One thing that you can observer about military men turned president – and I came across this criticism of Warrior Sharon, especially during his bulldozing of the decree by which Gaza was made Judenrein – is that military men are used to giving orders, and perhaps less used to submitting to democratic processes. Consider Yitzhak Shamir (the tiger) who used to say “We are prepared to negotiate forever!"
I’m back at the downtown internet café. Otherwise I’d have got back to you last night.
First of all thanks for that someone who explained that in Mandinka, Karamba means something like karamoh – teacher + wisdom and not to be associated with that Spanish interjection of surprise I’m sure that your icon Kennedy saw in some Mexican cowboy movie in which the guy in the sombrero somewhere in El Paso exclaims “ Caramba!” I too am not offended because there is no sign of arrogance in you. You do however give the impression of urgency to the matter at hand, that it is an emergency. It’s always good to have a total picture, otherwise the analysis (anyone’s) is based on a very faulty – and therefore inaccurate and incomplete data. We need all the essential and possible missing links. ( By the way I have experienced – been on the spot during a total of 8 military coups – during which I was feeling a little like Woody Allen, without his bullet-proof vest on.)
Since we are friends (despite your being so incognito) I‘d like you to know that you are free to tell me anything you like. We are different people and you are eligible to be disappointed in whatever I say that falls short of what you expect from me and you are free to expect me to say only that which makes sense to you and of which you approve. By all means enjoy your freedom and you may count on me to support a cause that empowers democracy – people’s right to choose the way in which their standard of living should improve.
Try to answer my questions: 1. what’s the security situation in the Gambia? Security is very important and as you must realise, most essential in asserting the territorial integrity of the Gambia.
In a previous link you must have come across this interesting piece of the past:
“The Committee cites specific allegations about the circumstances of the detention of "two British residents" in Gambia, Mr Al- Rawi and Mr El- Banna. The Government can confirm that the UK did not request the detention of either of the men in Gambia and did not play any role in their transfer to Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. “
You see people come and go to the Gambia and so, security is of uttermost importance- especially if the non-democratically minded should ever think of deposing Mr. Jammeh by foul play and by non-democratic means.
http://www.parliament.uk/
Type CASAMANCE in the search column.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/cgi-bin/semaphoreserver?DB=semukparl&FILE=search
YOU ASK:
"Can a government by coup become democratic at all?"
In the situation in which we find ourselves, what we could be advocating( apart from vilifying ) is a workable program of democratic reform starting perhaps with benchmarks towards the repeal of you say are “military decrees hanging above the constitution.” And of course more liberalisation of the press, so that journalists do not operate in an atmosphere of fear – of death, of the fulfilment of death threats, of disappearing and of actual rigor mortis……
http://www.cpu.org.uk/forum_2003/cr_gamb.html
AS to the reports to which you refer, are they or could they be in the same vein of that erstwhile 2trustworthy” report , accompanied by so much noise, clamouring, and the tear-dropping which announce that madam Kamuso had perished through torture she was subjected to whilst in detention in one of Yahya’s Saddamic dungeons, specially created for that purpose. – Only to find, soon thereafter that it was all untrue?
Karamba, I should think that you would reflect some more of the mentality of your icon JOHN F: KENNEDY. However in your last address to me/ us, you (and Santanfara) sound more like George W. than John F: you sound that as a first (not last resort) you’d like to get in there, guns blazing, storm troopers breezing, marines cruising down river in what would be a one hour operation – and then it’s all over, the removing/ outing of our democratically elected Yahya, by the use ofoverwhelming barbaric militray force. ( Saddam used to say " Cowards! let them come and let us fight, man to man!" What is most worrying is that I notice that you have started using one of his favourite words: EVIL:
You also say that “ A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and EVIL.”
“ Innocent people cannot be exposed to a president who thinks that killing some opponents is the way to control the remaining.”
Whilst redaing the excerpt below, comapriosn with Yahya Jammeh will inevitably pop up in your mind. In which case it must be a matter of scale. Of comparative evil ( to you) I anticipate you and I hear you say " Evil is evil" and perhaps you ARE talking about "absolute evil" undiluted evil" , the d-evil....?
Ah, but there is that holy kanilai water.....and Gollum himself agrees with me .....
Let me quote this little passage from “Modernity and the Problem of Evil “to show you exactly what I mean:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%E2%80%9CModernity+and+the+Problem+of+Evil+%E2%80%9C+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
“………the most recent re-emergence of the rhetoric of evil raises the questions ass to whether this tension has been resolved in favour of the theological. President George W Bush, in his first public comments following the September 11 attacks, concluded his brief remarks this way: “This will be a monumental struggle of good versus evil, but good will prevail.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010912-4.html
One month later, in the first formal White House press conference of his administration and the first after the September 11 attacks, the president mentioned “evil” and “evildoers” twelve times.
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/conflict/bprc1011.htm
What is most disturbing about these remarks is the relative absence of the adjectival form, as “Evil” takes its place as a proper noun – indeed, a proper name. We are reminded about “ the evil that was done to us”; we’re urged to “ condemn hate and evil and murder and prejudice”; we’re told “ we must defeat the evildoers where they hide”; we’re told ( remember this was only five weeks after the attacks) in one of the few adjectival forms that “ There’s no question that the leader of Iraq is an evil man” and that “on our TV screens the other day, we saw the evil one threatening.” (The reference would appear to be Osama bin laden, but it might refer to Satan as well – about which more in a moment). Perhaps most distressing, we are told that “ we learned a good lesson on September the 11th, that there is evil in this world,” and that “ it’s essential that all moms and dads and citizens tell their children we love them and there is love in the world, but also remind them there are evil people.” And, the president said explicitly, “We’re fighting evil.”
Were these comments citations from Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings”; one might be comfortable with the ease with which the personification of evil has been effected.”
You asked me: “Cornelius, When will you want to focus and to prioritise your information in relevant sequence?” This talk of sequencing! I did point out in advance, to what could be extraneous, and you must also observe that there was a structure to what you may regard as my corny response, that you were reacting to:
(a) Which is in blue
(b) In black: My reminiscing about my own personal connection to your ICON, JOHN F. KENNEDY, who also means a lot to me, not just his visage, which accompanies your every posting.
Here it is all over again:
Long live the Gambia!
(Please ignore the links which are only meant for those who are interested – you can clearly see what is a link and what is the main body of what I myself am writing personally only because of love of people and at no time have I demanded that anyone read even this on this merry Christmas day:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3601#respond
Merry Xmas Karamba and the Gambia - or should I not say – better - the Gambia and Karamba, son of Gambia, who would mobilise awareness about the alleged – so far only alleged - tyranny of one mortal by the name of Yahya Jammeh.
The catalogue of violations mostly date back to 1996 after the bloodless coup of 23rd July 1994
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup+1994&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Gambian+coup&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
And the recently reported atrocities for which those responsible ought to face the tune called Justice.
In Jewish law / Halakah, that much touted saying, “an eye for an eye” has always implied compensation:
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=AN+eye+for+an+eye&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=halakah&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=+%22A+life+for+a+life%22&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Be courageous always, speak the truth in your heart, stand up for your brothers and sisters wherever they may be, above all fear God Almighty, fear not Jammeh – he will only be here for a little while before he too will face the judgment at which he will be asked by One who is certainly not afraid of him, about the blood of any innocent ones created by the Almighty, and justice about that blood etc will be required of him, whosoever he be that spills it wantonly and unlawfully. At such a time he would have ceased being president. And certainly a little more humble in his gown. At such a time the Gambian judiciary or local Imams or supportive sycophants who tell him to his face that he can do no wrong or is the only one above the law, will be concerned about their own sentences which will be pending as the open gates of the everlasting fires are burning and yawning to receive more stones and men, and the supporters who presently see no wrong will say “I don’t know that guy” etc. It will be everyone for himself – and that includes, you and me. But the blood that is spilled will call out for Justice shrilly and in accusation, as did Abel’s (murdered by Cain.)
Genesis 4:10 :
“The LORD then said: "What have you done! Listen: your brother's blood cries out to me from the soil! “
http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis4.htm
Unfortunately my home computer is down, lines and card are out, so although I've checked your links I cannot now reply, but after accessing other information that is definitely not in those links, and other consultations ( with Gambians and non-Gambians) you may expect an appropriate level of reply from someone who is as concerned as you are about violations of our peoples’ HUMAN RIGHTS: Jammeh is only one mortal, put in a position to serve the people of the Gambia and even those beyond the shores and shires of that river.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=REv+Dr.+Martin+Luther+King+%3A+injustice+somewhere+is+a+threat+to+Justice+everywhere&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Incidentally your icon was also the icon of every schoolboy - apart from possibly my opponent at the UN Mock session that we held in school when I was in the fourth form, Muctarr Mustapha ( from whom I learned the word “fellaheen”) - the son of our then minister of finance Hon. M. S: Mustapha - I had always thought that Mutarr (one of our most hyperbolic of Sierra Leonean poets – and even in those days a real orator , was a supremely gifted one who could move minds, with words and ideas ( I expected him to lead the country some day) in those days he sported a Harry Belafonte hairstyle perhaps because he bore a remarkable resemblance to Harry Belafonte) and at that General Assembly debate he represented Fidel Castro and Cuba, whilst I represented the United States – I started my speech with greetings from your icon John F, the text of my own representation peppered with quotes from actual UN sessions and his mostly from the fiery rhetoric to be mostly famously found in that paper that he introduced me to, namely the English edition of the official Cuban Communist Party paper Granma of which I too became an avid reader - with several pages long of Fidel’s every oration. After the session one of President Kennedy’s embassy staff congratulated me, but it was indeed Muzzu who was the passionate orator on that occasion. Africa (and Africans) must unite and he did eventually marry the daughter of the former president of Ghana Akuffo Addo and it is the duty of all uncles to get in touch with his children, as I’m sure George Morgan must be doing. But just look at how we are spread out throughout the Diaspora. That’s why things have not been going so swimmingly in Sierra Leone. The last time I met Muctarr was in early 1970, which was also the last time I was in Sierra Leone, for week in March – same week Tabu Ley played in Freetown with African Fiesta Sukisa, and Muctarr and I and some other friends had a few beers at the Kit Kat bar on Westmoreland Street once our hang out - as men about town - , almost opposite the Sacred Heart Cathedral and next to Odeon Cinema. WE alkso sometimes hung out at Freddie Ferrari's City Hotel. I wonder if these buildings are still there or were also burnt down by the RUF during their “Operation Spare no living Soul”
For some strange reason I had always thought that Muctarr was Themne ( I know the West end and central parts of Freetown – all the nooks and crannies like the back of my hand , like the way I knew Nima in central Accra, but not the East End of Freetown. – that must be why) It’s only a few years ago – after his passing away, that I learned that he was KRIO / AKU….. and you know me, I’m not into this tribe (Yoruba, Zulu or Igbo) against that tribe ( Fullah, Hausa, kalabari or Ogoni from Bonny), I don’t even necessarily want to know – although I did ask Demba, what are the things that cause offence to the honourable Mandinka man, so that I avoid such, at all costs--- yes his money, meat and his woman … (and the passing of illicit gas in public which I understand is suicidal behaviour….
http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Akuffo+Addo&spell=1
But indeed " the way to man's heart is through his stomach" and what most endeared very Prince Walean to John F was the free lunch we all enjoyed during every long school break – the flour freely donated to the School, from the US and from which was made the blessed bread which soon earned the beloved name “Kennedy” – not too far removed from the Catholic’s theological concept referred to as TRANSUBSTANTIATION, by which bread is transformed into the living body and blood (hence you don’t have to also drink the wine – the blood) of Jesus. The bread found a way into our hearts as a personal embodiment of the president ( please don't call us spirituual cannibals ) and Yahya could try that line of a love-winning approach......
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=John+F.+Kennedy&meta=
When president Kennedy was assassinated we all cried – as much as I groaned and moaned when Olof Palme was assassinated, that early morning after a sound night’s sleep I picked up the morning paper which proclaimed that Mr. Palme had been shot dead ---- just five minutes walk from where I lived for 24 years, in down town Stockholm and there was also Rev Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and further afield, Patrice Lumumba, Samora Machel (remember what made us weep – that NKOMATI ACCORD?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkomati_Accord
And also wept like a blues boy, when Anna Lindh was also repeatedly stabbed to death by a senseless killer.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Anna+Lindh&meta=
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 22:52:28
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Cornelius,
To cut the long story shorter, military coup is not a suitable option for Gambia. We already had the prestigeous claim to one of the best democracries in Africa. It was just when Gambia earned the glorious name for being champion of democracy and human rights that Jammeh emerged with his gun men to topple the democratic government. That is what Gambians are now saying they no longer want to extend beyond the next one inch in the next one minute. It does not matter if Jerry Rawlings or the Prime Minister of Israel succeeded or failed. It is not just working in Gambia and that is the Big Issue. Many Gambians ask the question why your icon Yahya Jammeh would not have formed a political party and used the ballot rather than the bullet. For Gambians that is the most uncivilised option for anyone wanting to lead as president of our country. The longer your icon Jammeh sticks to that position, the more defiant Gambians become. The old trick of making numbers as a show of winning elections is no new thing.
Get it clear that I belong to the most ardent opponents of force. It is not my view and nowhere did I state that guns are required to remove Jammeh. He only has to realise that sticking to the position by force as he now does is not sustainable. It does not matter if military rule ever worked anywhere on this great planet. In Gambia, we are saying, no more. DOY NA SEKH !!!
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Karamba
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Posted - 26 Dec 2006 : 22:52:28
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Cornelius,
To cut the long story shorter, military coup is not a suitable option for Gambia. We already had the prestigeous claim to one of the best democracries in Africa. It was just when Gambia earned the glorious name for being champion of democracy and human rights that Jammeh emerged with his gun men to topple the democratic government. That is what Gambians are now saying they no longer want to extend beyond the next one inch in the next one minute. It does not matter if Jerry Rawlings or the Prime Minister of Israel succeeded or failed. It is not just working in Gambia and that is the Big Issue. Many Gambians ask the question why your icon Yahya Jammeh would not have formed a political party and used the ballot rather than the bullet. For Gambians that is the most uncivilised option for anyone wanting to lead as president of our country. The longer your icon Jammeh sticks to that position, the more defiant Gambians become. The old trick of making numbers as a show of winning elections is no new thing.
Get it clear that I belong to the most ardent opponents of force. It is not my view and nowhere did I state that guns are required to remove Jammeh. He only has to realise that sticking to the position by force as he now does is not sustainable. It does not matter if military rule ever worked anywhere on this great planet. In Gambia, we are saying, no more. DOY NA SEKH !!!
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Cornelius
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 07:57:58
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Originally posted by Karamba
Cornelius,
There is no conflict. This is simple exchange in cyberspace. On my part, I am not as important to feel personally offended. I am not also hurt by any of your remarks either. I have once advised users of Bantaba to read you Cornelius. That means I am reading you too. I stand by this for good reasons that I consider yours quite fruitful. It is just for this occasion when I realised we are shifting focus.
Do not misunderstand me as not being interested in the affairs of motherland Africa. I too have my connections in Sierra Leone and other states in our subregion. This is everything to me. For now, Gambia is in such serious crises that we need to track ourselves on course. If you or anyone is able to contribute towards our salvation through your bank of knowledge, that is the best gift Gambians will always appreciate. Innocent people cannot be exposed to a president who thinks that killing some opponents is the way to control the remaining. This is worrying and need to be discussed. Simple. Nothing against you. I will keep on reading your posts and here to admit how much I learn from you. Does this send the message clearer?
WE know that Dr. Jammeh is( supposed to be) a tough guy, a radical, a rich guy, a very human guy, a military commander-in-chief of the fighting forces of the Gambia, a man who does not take orders from anyone and who for example invites Hugo Chavez and Dr. Ahmadinejad
( and not the presidents of USA and China to the African Union meeting which he hosted in Banjul and that he is capable of making such great decisions when it so pleases him – and to hell with those who don’t like it.
WE also know whilst all Israel is concerned and prays for Gilad Shalit, Eldad Regev, Ehud Goldwasser,
http://www.kidnappedsoldiers.com/phpPETITION/index.php
the three Israeli soldiers who have been abducted by the Hezbollah and Palestinian enemy, in the Gambia we have man’s alleged inhumanity to man, by the head of the Gambian regime which stands accused by Karamba of that one man’s to his own African people, a man’s inhumanity to his fellow Gambian man, and all that only for the sake of unbridled power.
This type of impunity and callousness if left unchallenged and not redressed, will not signal the end of the beginning of impunity but only the beginning , as we all know that power corrupts, and as the New York professor told us not so long ago, “Power makes some people stupid”.
Now let them remember Panama’s Noriega (don’t know where he is right now) but we do know that Saddam is safely behind bars and Charles Taylor (a slightly even bigger military fish than the military doctor himself) once playing the black card, had intimated that no white boy sitting in the white house was going to tell an incumbent African president where to go, is now sitting in the dock at Den Haag where his fate is pending.
Now some of the Gambians would like “ to take up arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them”, but dear Karamba, now that the general picture is emerging a little more clearly, lets focus on just this one item ( at a time) and unanimously demand ACCOUNTABILITY and not silence and disdain or avoidance about this matter:
“they (Him, Yahya Jammeh, Edward, Yankuba, Sadibu) and other members of their junta summarily executed the alleged November 1994 coup plotters. Among those killed included Basiru Barrow, Dot Faal, Saye, Fafa Nyang, and many more. According to Sana Sabally, they killed the named army personnel and other colleagues in self-defence. Until today 25 December 2006, not a word has been uttered by Gambian president Yahya Jammeh about who killed the young soldiers, how and why. These killings and many maltreatments to innocent citizens are still not brought to book. Only military military dictatorship sustained by decrees will allow that to happen.” |
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 07:57:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Karamba
Cornelius,
There is no conflict. This is simple exchange in cyberspace. On my part, I am not as important to feel personally offended. I am not also hurt by any of your remarks either. I have once advised users of Bantaba to read you Cornelius. That means I am reading you too. I stand by this for good reasons that I consider yours quite fruitful. It is just for this occasion when I realised we are shifting focus.
Do not misunderstand me as not being interested in the affairs of motherland Africa. I too have my connections in Sierra Leone and other states in our subregion. This is everything to me. For now, Gambia is in such serious crises that we need to track ourselves on course. If you or anyone is able to contribute towards our salvation through your bank of knowledge, that is the best gift Gambians will always appreciate. Innocent people cannot be exposed to a president who thinks that killing some opponents is the way to control the remaining. This is worrying and need to be discussed. Simple. Nothing against you. I will keep on reading your posts and here to admit how much I learn from you. Does this send the message clearer?
WE know that Dr. Jammeh is( supposed to be) a tough guy, a radical, a rich guy, a very human guy, a military commander-in-chief of the fighting forces of the Gambia, a man who does not take orders from anyone and who for example invites Hugo Chavez and Dr. Ahmadinejad
( and not the presidents of USA and China to the African Union meeting which he hosted in Banjul and that he is capable of making such great decisions when it so pleases him – and to hell with those who don’t like it.
WE also know whilst all Israel is concerned and prays for Gilad Shalit, Eldad Regev, Ehud Goldwasser,
http://www.kidnappedsoldiers.com/phpPETITION/index.php
the three Israeli soldiers who have been abducted by the Hezbollah and Palestinian enemy, in the Gambia we have man’s alleged inhumanity to man, by the head of the Gambian regime which stands accused by Karamba of that one man’s to his own African people, a man’s inhumanity to his fellow Gambian man, and all that only for the sake of unbridled power.
This type of impunity and callousness if left unchallenged and not redressed, will not signal the end of the beginning of impunity but only the beginning , as we all know that power corrupts, and as the New York professor told us not so long ago, “Power makes some people stupid”.
Now let them remember Panama’s Noriega (don’t know where he is right now) but we do know that Saddam is safely behind bars and Charles Taylor (a slightly even bigger military fish than the military doctor himself) once playing the black card, had intimated that no white boy sitting in the white house was going to tell an incumbent African president where to go, is now sitting in the dock at Den Haag where his fate is pending.
Now some of the Gambians would like “ to take up arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them”, but dear Karamba, now that the general picture is emerging a little more clearly, lets focus on just this one item ( at a time) and unanimously demand ACCOUNTABILITY and not silence and disdain or avoidance about this matter:
“they (Him, Yahya Jammeh, Edward, Yankuba, Sadibu) and other members of their junta summarily executed the alleged November 1994 coup plotters. Among those killed included Basiru Barrow, Dot Faal, Saye, Fafa Nyang, and many more. According to Sana Sabally, they killed the named army personnel and other colleagues in self-defence. Until today 25 December 2006, not a word has been uttered by Gambian president Yahya Jammeh about who killed the young soldiers, how and why. These killings and many maltreatments to innocent citizens are still not brought to book. Only military military dictatorship sustained by decrees will allow that to happen.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 12:03:39
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Cornelius,
Good, we are getting there faster than anticipated. Once it is now clear that imposing a military dictatorship is not what Gambians want for their country, it takes a process to rectify the situation. That process I do not think is best in another military encounter. Even for democratically good leaders, the more they overstay their welcome, the rest is crisis, resistance, defiance and so on. Unfortunately, President Dr. Yahya Alhajj Jamus Aziz Junkung Jammeh (AJAJJ) has overstayed his welcome. It is getting more out of control for him by the number of his close bodies who deserted him and now spilling the beans. There are men and women out of Jammeh's reach in some distance land who are now ready to tell the world what they did with him in secret. He is better off thinking seriously and working out a safer exit for himself. What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals? |
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Karamba
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 12:03:39
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Cornelius,
Good, we are getting there faster than anticipated. Once it is now clear that imposing a military dictatorship is not what Gambians want for their country, it takes a process to rectify the situation. That process I do not think is best in another military encounter. Even for democratically good leaders, the more they overstay their welcome, the rest is crisis, resistance, defiance and so on. Unfortunately, President Dr. Yahya Alhajj Jamus Aziz Junkung Jammeh (AJAJJ) has overstayed his welcome. It is getting more out of control for him by the number of his close bodies who deserted him and now spilling the beans. There are men and women out of Jammeh's reach in some distance land who are now ready to tell the world what they did with him in secret. He is better off thinking seriously and working out a safer exit for himself. What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals? |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 14:32:51
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Karamba,
God is the only One Who does not need help. So if you see your brother going astray- if you actually see that happening, it’s your moral duty and obligation to help him: You should also never mislead a blind man.
Listen to Bill Withers:
http://www.weddingvendors.com/music/lyrics/b/bill-withers/lean-on-me/
It will take some time, but we will all get there, together - hopefully with Mr. Jammeh himself at the steering wheel he has also struggled a lot and with a soldier’s courage, held on to the course. He still has his compass and his bearings.
“Me no want no dictator
Me no want no tyrant on you ah”
Me too, ah use to sing this Steele Pulse song:
http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/s/steelpulse3648/soldiers174145.html
Every Gambian has the same dream of peace and love for eternity.
You are dead right: the traditionally peaceful Gambians are not for military confrontation with their kith and kin or against the 800 active troops that constitute the Gambian army.( Of Course when Imam Khomeini (R.A.) told the Iranian people “ The people is the army and the Army is The People”, the mighty Shah of Iran, darling of the United States and much more firmly entrenched by SAVAK and the then awesome Iranian military, was toppled by the tremendous sacrifice of the Iranian people, as the army eventually merged into a national fusion of aspiration with the vast majority of the Iranian people and out of that revolutionary fusion, a new Islamic nation of equal rights and social justice was born - unfortunately that nation has been under siege ever since then because it is the policy of (you know who) that such a type of revolution MUST NOT succeed whether it Cuba or Iran or Bolivia – it would be setting a BAD example ….. so the nascent Islamic State was sabotaged – first by Saddam’s invasion and now perhaps with Ahmadinejad shooting himself in the foot - although my man Rafsanjani’s recent election showing looks like the first sign of recovery from sudden folly and shows that all is not well with the aggressive stance of the present post -Khatami regime which was known as a moderate one. If Iran could not defeat Saddam after eight years sacrifice, then, even with the acquisition of the Shia nuclear bomb, this is surely not a time to seek confrontation with a Bush that is not up for re-election - and non-sycophantic friends should tell their true friends the truth and that is, that an Iraq-Iran Shia Confederation would be a challenge to her Sunni neighbours – never mind the rallying of support for the Iranian bomb on the pretext that they want to “ wipe out” the rest of what Hitler did not complete with his “ final solution” – which they deny. They want to complete that which say did not take place. I hope that Jammeh will not start sending some emergency Gambian contingents to assist Ahmedinejad, should such a confrontation take place. He (Jammeh) should be busier with protecting the lives and creating the future for the Gambian people – just as he has promised, and you and I should be helping him/ us/ all of us to do it.
War would not be good for the Iranian or the Gambian people. I lump the countries together, since their heads of state are best buddies and may want to lend military support to each other – “A friend in need is a friend in deed.”
You ask “What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals?”
First of all there are traitors, turncoats, liars, unreliable people, opportunists and I would not believe - uncritically - every word that they would say about their association with Mr. Jammeh. There is a lot of misinformation out there.
The democratic process – the “process” that I think that you are referring to, should take over, but for that process to be set in process, the judiciary has to be disentangled from the executive and the rule of law would have to take over.
How do you do that?
What is very worrying about the picture you paint, is this “I am right: YOU are DEAD” mentality of dictatorial authority which may stand accused but is itself above the law and beyond reproach or punishment by the statutes of liberty.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2004/
So, “we are getting there faster than anticipated”? Good. Time is moving towards us and this is the third time that I’m posting this link which is in support of a strong multiparty democracy system.
http://www.idea.int/
When I came across this expression “President Dr. Yahya Alhajj Jamus Aziz Junkung Jammeh (AJAJJ)” I thought of how mean Wole Soyinka - sometimes – was, especially in his description of two of his most wanted: Idi Amin ( who had given himself even greater decorations – Field-Marshall etc and Sani Abacha ( who he even accused of superstition( Maraboutism’s charms etc etc ( Popular rumour has it that the late great Murtala Mohammed was assassinated on a Friday, the day he usually took his charms and protection off – to attend the Jummah prayers….)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Murtala+Mohammed&spell=1
But on the more positive side, I associate “ Jamus” with Jeru da Damaja and this, one of my favourite songs of his:
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/jeru-the-damaja/jungle-music.html
If my computer is repaired today then I'll answer your question “What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals?”
In the meantime please excuse my many typographical errors. The past two days I have been typing in near-darkness in that downtown café…….where I incidentally met one of our more progressive business- minded South African brothers, Raffique, who is now doing well in KwaZulu: With South Africa being a great tourist destination, the Gambia should try to learn some more from South Africa who were after all at the AU in Banjul.
Check this out:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&q=www.intoafrica.se+&btnG=S%C3%B6k&lr=
I say progressive, because I notice that so far only 25 people have read this:
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2633
How much do you hear about the South African military?
One of the main problems facing Africa is that soldiers, who have tasted “power” or the fruits of power, don’t want to stay in their barracks.
The de-politicisation of the military, which President Kabbah assures us has now taken place in Sierra Leone, but will be put to the test next year – election year in that country.
As of now, anything can be expected in Nigeria, even within the next few days.
Now that the OPEC presidency has passed from Nigeria, it is TIME for the leadership to take the complaints of the long suffering DELTA people seriously, otherwise this might lead to the eventual disintegration of (I don’t know if it can be called a nation state)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&q=Crisis+in+the+Nigeria+Delta&btnG=S%C3%B6k&lr=
Pray for this Kalabari brother; there is none kinder than the Kalabari, believe me.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Dokubo&spell=1
And may the Almighty hear our prayers: Amen
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Cornelius
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 14:32:51
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Karamba,
God is the only One Who does not need help. So if you see your brother going astray- if you actually see that happening, it’s your moral duty and obligation to help him: You should also never mislead a blind man.
Listen to Bill Withers:
http://www.weddingvendors.com/music/lyrics/b/bill-withers/lean-on-me/
It will take some time, but we will all get there, together - hopefully with Mr. Jammeh himself at the steering wheel he has also struggled a lot and with a soldier’s courage, held on to the course. He still has his compass and his bearings.
“Me no want no dictator
Me no want no tyrant on you ah”
Me too, ah use to sing this Steele Pulse song:
http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/s/steelpulse3648/soldiers174145.html
Every Gambian has the same dream of peace and love for eternity.
You are dead right: the traditionally peaceful Gambians are not for military confrontation with their kith and kin or against the 800 active troops that constitute the Gambian army.( Of Course when Imam Khomeini (R.A.) told the Iranian people “ The people is the army and the Army is The People”, the mighty Shah of Iran, darling of the United States and much more firmly entrenched by SAVAK and the then awesome Iranian military, was toppled by the tremendous sacrifice of the Iranian people, as the army eventually merged into a national fusion of aspiration with the vast majority of the Iranian people and out of that revolutionary fusion, a new Islamic nation of equal rights and social justice was born - unfortunately that nation has been under siege ever since then because it is the policy of (you know who) that such a type of revolution MUST NOT succeed whether it Cuba or Iran or Bolivia – it would be setting a BAD example ….. so the nascent Islamic State was sabotaged – first by Saddam’s invasion and now perhaps with Ahmadinejad shooting himself in the foot - although my man Rafsanjani’s recent election showing looks like the first sign of recovery from sudden folly and shows that all is not well with the aggressive stance of the present post -Khatami regime which was known as a moderate one. If Iran could not defeat Saddam after eight years sacrifice, then, even with the acquisition of the Shia nuclear bomb, this is surely not a time to seek confrontation with a Bush that is not up for re-election - and non-sycophantic friends should tell their true friends the truth and that is, that an Iraq-Iran Shia Confederation would be a challenge to her Sunni neighbours – never mind the rallying of support for the Iranian bomb on the pretext that they want to “ wipe out” the rest of what Hitler did not complete with his “ final solution” – which they deny. They want to complete that which say did not take place. I hope that Jammeh will not start sending some emergency Gambian contingents to assist Ahmedinejad, should such a confrontation take place. He (Jammeh) should be busier with protecting the lives and creating the future for the Gambian people – just as he has promised, and you and I should be helping him/ us/ all of us to do it.
War would not be good for the Iranian or the Gambian people. I lump the countries together, since their heads of state are best buddies and may want to lend military support to each other – “A friend in need is a friend in deed.”
You ask “What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals?”
First of all there are traitors, turncoats, liars, unreliable people, opportunists and I would not believe - uncritically - every word that they would say about their association with Mr. Jammeh. There is a lot of misinformation out there.
The democratic process – the “process” that I think that you are referring to, should take over, but for that process to be set in process, the judiciary has to be disentangled from the executive and the rule of law would have to take over.
How do you do that?
What is very worrying about the picture you paint, is this “I am right: YOU are DEAD” mentality of dictatorial authority which may stand accused but is itself above the law and beyond reproach or punishment by the statutes of liberty.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2004/
So, “we are getting there faster than anticipated”? Good. Time is moving towards us and this is the third time that I’m posting this link which is in support of a strong multiparty democracy system.
http://www.idea.int/
When I came across this expression “President Dr. Yahya Alhajj Jamus Aziz Junkung Jammeh (AJAJJ)” I thought of how mean Wole Soyinka - sometimes – was, especially in his description of two of his most wanted: Idi Amin ( who had given himself even greater decorations – Field-Marshall etc and Sani Abacha ( who he even accused of superstition( Maraboutism’s charms etc etc ( Popular rumour has it that the late great Murtala Mohammed was assassinated on a Friday, the day he usually took his charms and protection off – to attend the Jummah prayers….)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Murtala+Mohammed&spell=1
But on the more positive side, I associate “ Jamus” with Jeru da Damaja and this, one of my favourite songs of his:
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/jeru-the-damaja/jungle-music.html
If my computer is repaired today then I'll answer your question “What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals?”
In the meantime please excuse my many typographical errors. The past two days I have been typing in near-darkness in that downtown café…….where I incidentally met one of our more progressive business- minded South African brothers, Raffique, who is now doing well in KwaZulu: With South Africa being a great tourist destination, the Gambia should try to learn some more from South Africa who were after all at the AU in Banjul.
Check this out:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&q=www.intoafrica.se+&btnG=S%C3%B6k&lr=
I say progressive, because I notice that so far only 25 people have read this:
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2633
How much do you hear about the South African military?
One of the main problems facing Africa is that soldiers, who have tasted “power” or the fruits of power, don’t want to stay in their barracks.
The de-politicisation of the military, which President Kabbah assures us has now taken place in Sierra Leone, but will be put to the test next year – election year in that country.
As of now, anything can be expected in Nigeria, even within the next few days.
Now that the OPEC presidency has passed from Nigeria, it is TIME for the leadership to take the complaints of the long suffering DELTA people seriously, otherwise this might lead to the eventual disintegration of (I don’t know if it can be called a nation state)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&q=Crisis+in+the+Nigeria+Delta&btnG=S%C3%B6k&lr=
Pray for this Kalabari brother; there is none kinder than the Kalabari, believe me.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Dokubo&spell=1
And may the Almighty hear our prayers: Amen
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Karamba
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 15:37:33
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Cornelius,
Let us start from your call to help Gambian President Jammeh. Perhaps what has become of Jammeh is not his most preferred thing. When you surrounded by people who know nothing but self interest, they can even eat you up if it takes that to feed their selfish desires. I am not sure if Jammeh created that atmosphere or it was imposed on him and he failed to resist. It appears you think Jammeh needs help. Often we hear him call on Gambians to join hands with him. Some of those who answered his calls ended up disgraced and dispossessed. How do we blame them when such people refuse to be part of it any more? Not only that but they are talking too. Above all it was Jammeh who declared war-on-citizens and promised burying anyone six feet deep by any encounter of falling out with him. Since then many disappeared and others remain in fear of disappearing or being shown the gateway to hell and later dumped to the wild crocodiles of the Kanilai pool. Are you sure that Jammeh needs help? Would he want to stay away from power and set on the marks for the race? To continue means he defeats the very purpose and thereby negating the principles of fairply. That is like a sprinkle of acid on a septic wound. General Tumani Touray was a good example. "You cannot eat your cake and have it."
Bless you for your very untiring efforts in the service to humanity. You are making significant contribution.
In passing, I wish to thank you personally and to wish you and your family very Happy New Year. Do not bother about typos. Once the message is captured, texts becomes redundant. I have found typo errors in some well-edited professional books where vigilant proof readers have been at their best. |
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Karamba
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Posted - 27 Dec 2006 : 15:37:33
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Cornelius,
Let us start from your call to help Gambian President Jammeh. Perhaps what has become of Jammeh is not his most preferred thing. When you surrounded by people who know nothing but self interest, they can even eat you up if it takes that to feed their selfish desires. I am not sure if Jammeh created that atmosphere or it was imposed on him and he failed to resist. It appears you think Jammeh needs help. Often we hear him call on Gambians to join hands with him. Some of those who answered his calls ended up disgraced and dispossessed. How do we blame them when such people refuse to be part of it any more? Not only that but they are talking too. Above all it was Jammeh who declared war-on-citizens and promised burying anyone six feet deep by any encounter of falling out with him. Since then many disappeared and others remain in fear of disappearing or being shown the gateway to hell and later dumped to the wild crocodiles of the Kanilai pool. Are you sure that Jammeh needs help? Would he want to stay away from power and set on the marks for the race? To continue means he defeats the very purpose and thereby negating the principles of fairply. That is like a sprinkle of acid on a septic wound. General Tumani Touray was a good example. "You cannot eat your cake and have it."
Bless you for your very untiring efforts in the service to humanity. You are making significant contribution.
In passing, I wish to thank you personally and to wish you and your family very Happy New Year. Do not bother about typos. Once the message is captured, texts becomes redundant. I have found typo errors in some well-edited professional books where vigilant proof readers have been at their best. |
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Cornelius
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 09:11:41
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Brother Karamba,
My computer is still down and so I will answer that question as soon as the computer is repaired. (The question was, “What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals?”
In the meantime, a very short and general
message to General Yahya Jammeh is simple: FEAR ALLAH! (Because one day you MIGHT meet HIM) and ALLAH SEES THAT WHICH YOU DO:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Allah+sees++what+you+do&btnG=Search&meta=
This is what all Muslims are in need of:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=TAQWA&meta=
and in the meantime my message to you is: Don’t be afraid of the devil.
Last night I had a dream …it was of JFK
(John F. Karamba centre stage saying all the things that he has said so vividly since he took centre stage: it was a nightmare:
”Above all it was Jammeh who declared war-on-citizens and promised burying anyone six feet deep by any encounter of falling out with him. Since then many disappeared and others remain in fear of disappearing or being shown the gateway to hell and later dumped to the wild crocodiles of the Kanilai pool.”
This is the disgusting kind of vile yap that is so intolerable – sounds like Saddam before his last will and testament wanting to transform himself into some kind of sacrificial Tobaski Ram. Herr Saddam…Herr Jummah not A hajji X
The other elements are familiar and typical of the flies (bad-mouthed Salone people would say latrine flies) that congregate around the jar of jam, as you say, seeking their own interest like a queen bee “surrounded by people who know nothing but self interest, they can even eat you up if it takes that to feed their selfish desires.”
Perhaps Mr. Jammeh would very much prefer to be a medieval type of King (for ever)?
Yes, Jammeh needs help. In the circumstances and in ordinary British parlance that would imply psychiatric help – and he is not the only one, because there is a certain type of austere and autocratic behaviour that accompanies illusions of grandeur, the Napoleonic ( or Jesus complex) and with regard to the latter, the gentle question “ but where are your disciples? Usually brings the heaven bound back to earth with a dull thud. About the former ( Napoleonic) and those unfortunates being fed to Idi Amin’s crocodiles presently assembled at the Kanilai pool, Alhaji Jammeh has to be reminded that he too is mortal and there is a prayer said after each time one visits the bathroom/ toilet - it begins with “ The Beginning of Wisdom is the fear of the Lord” and ends with the reminder that there are several openings and little organs in the body, and if one of these were to be blocked or ruptured, that would be the end…..
Karamba, the nice thing about humanity is that there is only one of it (all of us) and that’s what TIKKUN OLAM is all about –although for now we are concentrating not on the DARFUR aspects of humanity; we are as you say, to concentrate exclusively on the Gambian sector of humanity:
“This is not about Gramma of Cuba neither about Pravda or KGB secret files. We are not dealing with America, Sefadou, Kono, or Freetown. We are dealing with Gambia and political currency of that tiny West African nation. The issue at hand is not about Jola, Mandingo, Fulani, Manjago, Serrahuley, or any ethnicity. I don't care who is Mandingo Jola or Mende or Temene. For now, that is not the subject. For me and others like me individuals are not important compared to the issue of our country Gambia. It is not the Jolas that are offending Gambians. A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and evil”
“For now, Gambia is in such serious crises that we need to track ourselves on course”
So, given the emergency nature when we smell death, the logic to your exclusive focus is unassailable: Rabbi Hillel has taught: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am not for others, what am I? And if not now, when?”
You did of course take a look at the OIC agenda?
http://www.oic-oci.org/baku2006/english/agenda.htm
I ask because this very immediate recommendation from the AU to Ethiopia which also has a large Muslim population even if the Western media commentators neglect mentioning this and the AU surprises me today, considering the lethargy with which they have approached the several years of carnage by the Janjaweed militias operating in Darfur.
To what extent is the AU under the sway of the OIC’s islamisation agenda, and is Somalia not war weary? BACK TO THE Gambia:
The Hajj is on and many families and compounds will be represented at Mecca, kissing the Black Stone, and stoning the devil ( the chief of the devils) at Arafat, this year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6212003.stm
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Stoning+the+devil+at+Hajj&meta=
Since the president of the Gambia is a pious Muslim and an Al-Hajj one way of approaching him could be by appealing to his strong Islamic sense of virtues, since even a Muslim who wants to enter paradise after the presidency, is supposed to qualify himself/ herself with the attributes of Rahman and Rahim etc
http://www.sufism.org/society/asma/
http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/99names.htm
Even Muslim presidents should pay heed to Rasullalah’s last sermon which lays particular stress on TAQWA.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=THe+prophet%27s+last+sermon&meta=
AS a young man (he’s only 43) still living in a very traditional Gambian society, he is more likely to be amenable to the reasoning, good advice and pleas of the elders, is he not.
Also some benign pressure from his Commonwealth Heads of State peers, at their next conference – Gambia after all being the oldest of British possessions in Africa (- that should set fire to your liver, smile)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Gambia+%2C+Britain%27s+oldest+possession+in+Africa&btnG=Search&meta=
Finally how about us introducing some really committed people with souls on fire , to this Bantaba? I can think of half a dozen, very mentally agile, willing and able.
Speaking very personally, as a non-military man, I’d hate to tell people / anybody what to do – outside of the straight and narrow of Grammar, but there is the most important teaching ( TORAH) ……
You say that “we are getting there faster than anticipated” Glory be to you – or was that merely taqqiya? (Smile)
This word has a lot to do with LOVE, and I’m sure that there is a lot of that in the Gambia:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Humanity&btnG=Search&meta=
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Cornelius
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Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 09:11:41
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Brother Karamba,
My computer is still down and so I will answer that question as soon as the computer is repaired. (The question was, “What would you advise a president who falls out with his closer bodies and now those formerly closer to him standing against him and ready to talk to the president's rivals?”
In the meantime, a very short and general
message to General Yahya Jammeh is simple: FEAR ALLAH! (Because one day you MIGHT meet HIM) and ALLAH SEES THAT WHICH YOU DO:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Allah+sees++what+you+do&btnG=Search&meta=
This is what all Muslims are in need of:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=TAQWA&meta=
and in the meantime my message to you is: Don’t be afraid of the devil.
Last night I had a dream …it was of JFK
(John F. Karamba centre stage saying all the things that he has said so vividly since he took centre stage: it was a nightmare:
”Above all it was Jammeh who declared war-on-citizens and promised burying anyone six feet deep by any encounter of falling out with him. Since then many disappeared and others remain in fear of disappearing or being shown the gateway to hell and later dumped to the wild crocodiles of the Kanilai pool.”
This is the disgusting kind of vile yap that is so intolerable – sounds like Saddam before his last will and testament wanting to transform himself into some kind of sacrificial Tobaski Ram. Herr Saddam…Herr Jummah not A hajji X
The other elements are familiar and typical of the flies (bad-mouthed Salone people would say latrine flies) that congregate around the jar of jam, as you say, seeking their own interest like a queen bee “surrounded by people who know nothing but self interest, they can even eat you up if it takes that to feed their selfish desires.”
Perhaps Mr. Jammeh would very much prefer to be a medieval type of King (for ever)?
Yes, Jammeh needs help. In the circumstances and in ordinary British parlance that would imply psychiatric help – and he is not the only one, because there is a certain type of austere and autocratic behaviour that accompanies illusions of grandeur, the Napoleonic ( or Jesus complex) and with regard to the latter, the gentle question “ but where are your disciples? Usually brings the heaven bound back to earth with a dull thud. About the former ( Napoleonic) and those unfortunates being fed to Idi Amin’s crocodiles presently assembled at the Kanilai pool, Alhaji Jammeh has to be reminded that he too is mortal and there is a prayer said after each time one visits the bathroom/ toilet - it begins with “ The Beginning of Wisdom is the fear of the Lord” and ends with the reminder that there are several openings and little organs in the body, and if one of these were to be blocked or ruptured, that would be the end…..
Karamba, the nice thing about humanity is that there is only one of it (all of us) and that’s what TIKKUN OLAM is all about –although for now we are concentrating not on the DARFUR aspects of humanity; we are as you say, to concentrate exclusively on the Gambian sector of humanity:
“This is not about Gramma of Cuba neither about Pravda or KGB secret files. We are not dealing with America, Sefadou, Kono, or Freetown. We are dealing with Gambia and political currency of that tiny West African nation. The issue at hand is not about Jola, Mandingo, Fulani, Manjago, Serrahuley, or any ethnicity. I don't care who is Mandingo Jola or Mende or Temene. For now, that is not the subject. For me and others like me individuals are not important compared to the issue of our country Gambia. It is not the Jolas that are offending Gambians. A man called Yahya Jammeh is the subject of all the conflict in Gambia. So many Jolas continue to suffer and others are said to have been killed by the thugs of Yahya Jammeh. This is not a tribal war. It is a war of right and evil”
“For now, Gambia is in such serious crises that we need to track ourselves on course”
So, given the emergency nature when we smell death, the logic to your exclusive focus is unassailable: Rabbi Hillel has taught: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am not for others, what am I? And if not now, when?”
You did of course take a look at the OIC agenda?
http://www.oic-oci.org/baku2006/english/agenda.htm
I ask because this very immediate recommendation from the AU to Ethiopia which also has a large Muslim population even if the Western media commentators neglect mentioning this and the AU surprises me today, considering the lethargy with which they have approached the several years of carnage by the Janjaweed militias operating in Darfur.
To what extent is the AU under the sway of the OIC’s islamisation agenda, and is Somalia not war weary? BACK TO THE Gambia:
The Hajj is on and many families and compounds will be represented at Mecca, kissing the Black Stone, and stoning the devil ( the chief of the devils) at Arafat, this year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6212003.stm
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Stoning+the+devil+at+Hajj&meta=
Since the president of the Gambia is a pious Muslim and an Al-Hajj one way of approaching him could be by appealing to his strong Islamic sense of virtues, since even a Muslim who wants to enter paradise after the presidency, is supposed to qualify himself/ herself with the attributes of Rahman and Rahim etc
http://www.sufism.org/society/asma/
http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/99names.htm
Even Muslim presidents should pay heed to Rasullalah’s last sermon which lays particular stress on TAQWA.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=THe+prophet%27s+last+sermon&meta=
AS a young man (he’s only 43) still living in a very traditional Gambian society, he is more likely to be amenable to the reasoning, good advice and pleas of the elders, is he not.
Also some benign pressure from his Commonwealth Heads of State peers, at their next conference – Gambia after all being the oldest of British possessions in Africa (- that should set fire to your liver, smile)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Gambia+%2C+Britain%27s+oldest+possession+in+Africa&btnG=Search&meta=
Finally how about us introducing some really committed people with souls on fire , to this Bantaba? I can think of half a dozen, very mentally agile, willing and able.
Speaking very personally, as a non-military man, I’d hate to tell people / anybody what to do – outside of the straight and narrow of Grammar, but there is the most important teaching ( TORAH) ……
You say that “we are getting there faster than anticipated” Glory be to you – or was that merely taqqiya? (Smile)
This word has a lot to do with LOVE, and I’m sure that there is a lot of that in the Gambia:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Humanity&btnG=Search&meta=
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