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Santanfara



3460 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  20:40:10  Show Profile  Visit Santanfara's Homepage Send Santanfara a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by Karamba

Come on Ebra,

The message in simple text and context is that it is not Jammeh to continue mis/ruling. Consider more than 1.5 million capable persons. After more than 10 years, it is fair enough that one person/group tenders an account of things and stay clear. The rest is up to PEOPLE. It is most upsetting that even the most competent person would choose to stay mis/ruling. What do you call that? This is our country. Why does one person/group holds him/her/itself having sole responsibility? By Jammeh stepping down with his group, I bet that will never spell doom for Gambia. We are not to be invited. You only invite people who are not part of an occasion. We are Gambia, we are Gambians.



Thanks karamba

This is exactly what happened in Mansa Konko when Jawara wanted to resign. The only secret to success is change. Those who dont change or adapt cant survive. Thats why the dinosaurs disappeared.

You never know what you are missing unless you try something new.


SOME THING NEW INDEED. KONDORONG ALWAYS CHANGE ITS COLOURE. JAMMEHRISM WILL ALSO BE DEAD SOON AND THE SAME FANATICS WILL SWAP LIKE MOST DID FROM JAWARA TO JAMMEH. REMEMBER NYAYE COMPINS .

Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran

www.suntoumana.blogspot.com
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Santanfara



3460 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  20:40:10  Show Profile  Visit Santanfara's Homepage Send Santanfara a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by Karamba

Come on Ebra,

The message in simple text and context is that it is not Jammeh to continue mis/ruling. Consider more than 1.5 million capable persons. After more than 10 years, it is fair enough that one person/group tenders an account of things and stay clear. The rest is up to PEOPLE. It is most upsetting that even the most competent person would choose to stay mis/ruling. What do you call that? This is our country. Why does one person/group holds him/her/itself having sole responsibility? By Jammeh stepping down with his group, I bet that will never spell doom for Gambia. We are not to be invited. You only invite people who are not part of an occasion. We are Gambia, we are Gambians.



Thanks karamba

This is exactly what happened in Mansa Konko when Jawara wanted to resign. The only secret to success is change. Those who dont change or adapt cant survive. Thats why the dinosaurs disappeared.

You never know what you are missing unless you try something new.


SOME THING NEW INDEED. KONDORONG ALWAYS CHANGE ITS COLOURE. JAMMEHRISM WILL ALSO BE DEAD SOON AND THE SAME FANATICS WILL SWAP LIKE MOST DID FROM JAWARA TO JAMMEH. REMEMBER NYAYE COMPINS .

Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran

www.suntoumana.blogspot.com
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  20:43:26  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SANTANFARA

quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by Karamba

Come on Ebra,

The message in simple text and context is that it is not Jammeh to continue mis/ruling. Consider more than 1.5 million capable persons. After more than 10 years, it is fair enough that one person/group tenders an account of things and stay clear. The rest is up to PEOPLE. It is most upsetting that even the most competent person would choose to stay mis/ruling. What do you call that? This is our country. Why does one person/group holds him/her/itself having sole responsibility? By Jammeh stepping down with his group, I bet that will never spell doom for Gambia. We are not to be invited. You only invite people who are not part of an occasion. We are Gambia, we are Gambians.



Thanks karamba

This is exactly what happened in Mansa Konko when Jawara wanted to resign. The only secret to success is change. Those who dont change or adapt cant survive. Thats why the dinosaurs disappeared.

You never know what you are missing unless you try something new.


SOME THING NEW INDEED. KONDORONG ALWAYS CHANGE ITS COLOURE. JAMMEHRISM WILL ALSO BE DEAD SOON AND THE SAME FANATICS WILL SWAP LIKE MOST DID FROM JAWARA TO JAMMEH. REMEMBER NYAYE COMPINS .



I dont change my colors. Democracy itself is all about change. Dictatorship is about the status quo. Thats why we have elections in a democracy.
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  20:43:26  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SANTANFARA

quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by Karamba

Come on Ebra,

The message in simple text and context is that it is not Jammeh to continue mis/ruling. Consider more than 1.5 million capable persons. After more than 10 years, it is fair enough that one person/group tenders an account of things and stay clear. The rest is up to PEOPLE. It is most upsetting that even the most competent person would choose to stay mis/ruling. What do you call that? This is our country. Why does one person/group holds him/her/itself having sole responsibility? By Jammeh stepping down with his group, I bet that will never spell doom for Gambia. We are not to be invited. You only invite people who are not part of an occasion. We are Gambia, we are Gambians.



Thanks karamba

This is exactly what happened in Mansa Konko when Jawara wanted to resign. The only secret to success is change. Those who dont change or adapt cant survive. Thats why the dinosaurs disappeared.

You never know what you are missing unless you try something new.


SOME THING NEW INDEED. KONDORONG ALWAYS CHANGE ITS COLOURE. JAMMEHRISM WILL ALSO BE DEAD SOON AND THE SAME FANATICS WILL SWAP LIKE MOST DID FROM JAWARA TO JAMMEH. REMEMBER NYAYE COMPINS .



I dont change my colors. Democracy itself is all about change. Dictatorship is about the status quo. Thats why we have elections in a democracy.
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Santanfara



3460 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  21:06:33  Show Profile  Visit Santanfara's Homepage Send Santanfara a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by SANTANFARA

quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by Karamba

Come on Ebra,

The message in simple text and context is that it is not Jammeh to continue mis/ruling. Consider more than 1.5 million capable persons. After more than 10 years, it is fair enough that one person/group tenders an account of things and stay clear. The rest is up to PEOPLE. It is most upsetting that even the most competent person would choose to stay mis/ruling. What do you call that? This is our country. Why does one person/group holds him/her/itself having sole responsibility? By Jammeh stepping down with his group, I bet that will never spell doom for Gambia. We are not to be invited. You only invite people who are not part of an occasion. We are Gambia, we are Gambians.



Thanks karamba

This is exactly what happened in Mansa Konko when Jawara wanted to resign. The only secret to success is change. Those who dont change or adapt cant survive. Thats why the dinosaurs disappeared.

You never know what you are missing unless you try something new.


SOME THING NEW INDEED. KONDORONG ALWAYS CHANGE ITS COLOURE. JAMMEHRISM WILL ALSO BE DEAD SOON AND THE SAME FANATICS WILL SWAP LIKE MOST DID FROM JAWARA TO JAMMEH. REMEMBER NYAYE COMPINS .



I dont change my colors. Democracy itself is all about change. Dictatorship is about the status quo. Thats why we have elections in a democracy.


i mean the actual kondorong not you. i understood what you are talking about.

Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran

www.suntoumana.blogspot.com
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Santanfara



3460 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  21:06:33  Show Profile  Visit Santanfara's Homepage Send Santanfara a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by SANTANFARA

quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by Karamba

Come on Ebra,

The message in simple text and context is that it is not Jammeh to continue mis/ruling. Consider more than 1.5 million capable persons. After more than 10 years, it is fair enough that one person/group tenders an account of things and stay clear. The rest is up to PEOPLE. It is most upsetting that even the most competent person would choose to stay mis/ruling. What do you call that? This is our country. Why does one person/group holds him/her/itself having sole responsibility? By Jammeh stepping down with his group, I bet that will never spell doom for Gambia. We are not to be invited. You only invite people who are not part of an occasion. We are Gambia, we are Gambians.



Thanks karamba

This is exactly what happened in Mansa Konko when Jawara wanted to resign. The only secret to success is change. Those who dont change or adapt cant survive. Thats why the dinosaurs disappeared.

You never know what you are missing unless you try something new.


SOME THING NEW INDEED. KONDORONG ALWAYS CHANGE ITS COLOURE. JAMMEHRISM WILL ALSO BE DEAD SOON AND THE SAME FANATICS WILL SWAP LIKE MOST DID FROM JAWARA TO JAMMEH. REMEMBER NYAYE COMPINS .



I dont change my colors. Democracy itself is all about change. Dictatorship is about the status quo. Thats why we have elections in a democracy.


i mean the actual kondorong not you. i understood what you are talking about.

Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran

www.suntoumana.blogspot.com
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Bronx

USA
159 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  21:33:02  Show Profile Send Bronx a Private Message
Santafara,
I think you are confusing the species. Kondorong and chameleon. The later is the one that change its color according to its environment.
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Bronx

USA
159 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  21:33:02  Show Profile Send Bronx a Private Message
Santafara,
I think you are confusing the species. Kondorong and chameleon. The later is the one that change its color according to its environment.
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MADIBA



United Kingdom
1275 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  21:43:49  Show Profile Send MADIBA a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by MADIBA

quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

[quote]Originally posted by MADIBA





The business of government is not to be in business. Did i hear you say party fund through memebership contributions? That does not exist.

Most people cant afford taking care of their daily responsibilities let alone sustain a party. I think there should be public finanacing of political parties by them not paying for their TV and radio broadcasts etc.

Then may be we should wrap up and leave because the opposition can never build schools without outside help.



I may be a novice in politics but my personal experience on the ground for close to 30yrs has taught me that unless the opposition are seen to be involved in projects in the grassroots they will never win under the present conditions. Did i hear you hear say party contributions don't exist? Maybe in Yoro Bawol. Public financing of opposition parties? You dreaming brother. which planet do you live on?[:D] We need to design strategies that suit our conditions and our society. Any other thing modelled along alien ideas will fail woefully. PDOIS has built reputable schools whose pupils have excelled in tertiary intutitions. Do you know about the Nyakoi schools? Konds come down, one can't fish from a mountain top.

TV and Radio, as as said ealier on, that's as much as we INK and SALIVATE, we have to show practical steps of what we preach. If is talking alone without doing that's going to remove the APRC, pack up brethern!




I am on planet Yoro Bawol

My son attended Nyakoi School in Tallinding. How do you think they got those white land rovers? Don’t tell me from the fees at Nyakoi School. I was a parent of children there so i know better. Don’t tell me Foroyaa Newspaper?

In fact with the Internet now, fewer people are buying Foroyaa. All Gambian sites carry a verbatim of the publication.

Well if opposition parties have to build schools and roads before they can be voted for office, then pack up brethren!!!

There is a reason why taxes are collected and this proposal runs counter to the very essence of levying taxes. The role of the opposition is not to compete in building roads schools or bridges, but ensure accountability and good governance in public institutions and also prepare themselves for office with programmes. An opposition is just another alternative voice in the drive towards national development. To whom much is given, much is expected. The Government must provide within its means(taxes grants etc) for all of us. The citizens never gave the opposition money to build schools so why should they expect schools from them.

Well perhaps, its because the trustees of public funds have failed them. Like the mandinka say: ni yeh sisewo jeh jibi laal noma, toorr lal le filtamama. (If you see the chickens following the water collectors, its because they could not find the grain millers). Perhaps the opposition has become more relevant than the elected officials. What a tragedy.

No wonder the government can make public announcements that areas that do not vote for them will not see any development even though taxes and loans are contracted in our name irrespective of party affiliation. What we need is to educate our people that they have right to development within our means and that in a democracy every citizen must be served. Building schools only legitimises an already illegitimate decision by the government.

No wonder we often hear MANSA LA KODO or JAWARA LA KODO (meaning the president's money) as though public money is his. A more relevant Mandinka saying: TOTO NA KONOKONO FENG, BAY MU TOTO TAA LETI. (Meaning the contents of a toad’s stomach all belong to the toad referring to the president owning every thing in the country. However, the toad would have owned all the things in his stomach, if he did earn it legally otherwise its stomach should be opened and give to Caesar what is due to Caesar and to God what is due to God.

We don’t have to legitimise an illegitimate policy otherwise every opposition will have to build a school before they can win votes. In a democracy, society has allocated funds for development through citizens’ contributions called taxes. It’s that tax which should be used for public good. Remember that the opposition is not from an alien planet. They are Gambian taxpayers just like anyone. Asking them to build schools for them to be voted in creates two things:

1. If they are in public office, it might mean corruption, which in fact would mean taking public funds and giving it back to them as though it was theirs. It’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

2. Secondly it might mean that to be elected; one has to use one's money to bribe voters. That is not democracy. Citizens must not be bribed or tricked into voting just because someone could give them a bag of rice. Eventually they will pay for it through kickbacks. Two wrongs don’t make a right. There is no free lunch

They may if they have funds but they don’t HAVE to, as you seem to tell us. Instead its the Government not the opposition who HAS to because they are entrusted with public finances for the benefit of all. To ask the opposition is to demand what they don’t have but also to entrench the politics of NAHATEH. No wonder people are selling voters cards for not voting or for voting for a particular candidate.

What happens after the election is that the winning candidate never comes back until five years and rightly so he should. Because he paid for his seat in the house and owes no one anything. He can choose to practice virtue if he so wishes.

Running a parallel government in a democracy is a dangerous road to take.




Then lets take the long and hard road, of educating the Masses if thats holier. We will also need the patience of the Vulture since that would not happen overnight.

madiss
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MADIBA



United Kingdom
1275 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  21:43:49  Show Profile Send MADIBA a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by MADIBA

quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

[quote]Originally posted by MADIBA





The business of government is not to be in business. Did i hear you say party fund through memebership contributions? That does not exist.

Most people cant afford taking care of their daily responsibilities let alone sustain a party. I think there should be public finanacing of political parties by them not paying for their TV and radio broadcasts etc.

Then may be we should wrap up and leave because the opposition can never build schools without outside help.



I may be a novice in politics but my personal experience on the ground for close to 30yrs has taught me that unless the opposition are seen to be involved in projects in the grassroots they will never win under the present conditions. Did i hear you hear say party contributions don't exist? Maybe in Yoro Bawol. Public financing of opposition parties? You dreaming brother. which planet do you live on?[:D] We need to design strategies that suit our conditions and our society. Any other thing modelled along alien ideas will fail woefully. PDOIS has built reputable schools whose pupils have excelled in tertiary intutitions. Do you know about the Nyakoi schools? Konds come down, one can't fish from a mountain top.

TV and Radio, as as said ealier on, that's as much as we INK and SALIVATE, we have to show practical steps of what we preach. If is talking alone without doing that's going to remove the APRC, pack up brethern!




I am on planet Yoro Bawol

My son attended Nyakoi School in Tallinding. How do you think they got those white land rovers? Don’t tell me from the fees at Nyakoi School. I was a parent of children there so i know better. Don’t tell me Foroyaa Newspaper?

In fact with the Internet now, fewer people are buying Foroyaa. All Gambian sites carry a verbatim of the publication.

Well if opposition parties have to build schools and roads before they can be voted for office, then pack up brethren!!!

There is a reason why taxes are collected and this proposal runs counter to the very essence of levying taxes. The role of the opposition is not to compete in building roads schools or bridges, but ensure accountability and good governance in public institutions and also prepare themselves for office with programmes. An opposition is just another alternative voice in the drive towards national development. To whom much is given, much is expected. The Government must provide within its means(taxes grants etc) for all of us. The citizens never gave the opposition money to build schools so why should they expect schools from them.

Well perhaps, its because the trustees of public funds have failed them. Like the mandinka say: ni yeh sisewo jeh jibi laal noma, toorr lal le filtamama. (If you see the chickens following the water collectors, its because they could not find the grain millers). Perhaps the opposition has become more relevant than the elected officials. What a tragedy.

No wonder the government can make public announcements that areas that do not vote for them will not see any development even though taxes and loans are contracted in our name irrespective of party affiliation. What we need is to educate our people that they have right to development within our means and that in a democracy every citizen must be served. Building schools only legitimises an already illegitimate decision by the government.

No wonder we often hear MANSA LA KODO or JAWARA LA KODO (meaning the president's money) as though public money is his. A more relevant Mandinka saying: TOTO NA KONOKONO FENG, BAY MU TOTO TAA LETI. (Meaning the contents of a toad’s stomach all belong to the toad referring to the president owning every thing in the country. However, the toad would have owned all the things in his stomach, if he did earn it legally otherwise its stomach should be opened and give to Caesar what is due to Caesar and to God what is due to God.

We don’t have to legitimise an illegitimate policy otherwise every opposition will have to build a school before they can win votes. In a democracy, society has allocated funds for development through citizens’ contributions called taxes. It’s that tax which should be used for public good. Remember that the opposition is not from an alien planet. They are Gambian taxpayers just like anyone. Asking them to build schools for them to be voted in creates two things:

1. If they are in public office, it might mean corruption, which in fact would mean taking public funds and giving it back to them as though it was theirs. It’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

2. Secondly it might mean that to be elected; one has to use one's money to bribe voters. That is not democracy. Citizens must not be bribed or tricked into voting just because someone could give them a bag of rice. Eventually they will pay for it through kickbacks. Two wrongs don’t make a right. There is no free lunch

They may if they have funds but they don’t HAVE to, as you seem to tell us. Instead its the Government not the opposition who HAS to because they are entrusted with public finances for the benefit of all. To ask the opposition is to demand what they don’t have but also to entrench the politics of NAHATEH. No wonder people are selling voters cards for not voting or for voting for a particular candidate.

What happens after the election is that the winning candidate never comes back until five years and rightly so he should. Because he paid for his seat in the house and owes no one anything. He can choose to practice virtue if he so wishes.

Running a parallel government in a democracy is a dangerous road to take.




Then lets take the long and hard road, of educating the Masses if thats holier. We will also need the patience of the Vulture since that would not happen overnight.

madiss
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  22:00:49  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
Yes, the harder the battle the sweeter the victory. Democracy is about patience and allowing the will of the people to express it self. That is sustainable developement because its change from within. But that slow process is not slow for a true democrat nor should they give up explaining their strategy.

In the long run when change takes place, it is owned and everyone identifies with it, at least the majority. POLITIKI NAHATEH will forever be history. Rushing to build a house without a strong foundation only causes the building to collapse. MORE HASTE LESS SPEED. We should give not give in to frustatration. Slowly but surely we will arrive.

The old saying that if you cant defeat them join them, only makes the water more muddy and undrinkable. Its because most of us dont know what is rightly ours that we look forward to getting favours for what is truly ours. A captain who does not know his destination, any wind is good.
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  22:00:49  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
Yes, the harder the battle the sweeter the victory. Democracy is about patience and allowing the will of the people to express it self. That is sustainable developement because its change from within. But that slow process is not slow for a true democrat nor should they give up explaining their strategy.

In the long run when change takes place, it is owned and everyone identifies with it, at least the majority. POLITIKI NAHATEH will forever be history. Rushing to build a house without a strong foundation only causes the building to collapse. MORE HASTE LESS SPEED. We should give not give in to frustatration. Slowly but surely we will arrive.

The old saying that if you cant defeat them join them, only makes the water more muddy and undrinkable. Its because most of us dont know what is rightly ours that we look forward to getting favours for what is truly ours. A captain who does not know his destination, any wind is good.
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  22:09:00  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Bronx

Santafara,
I think you are confusing the species. Kondorong and chameleon. The later is the one that change its color according to its environment.



Thanks Bronx.

Santafara needs to go to Yoro Bawol to learn our ways.
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  22:09:00  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Bronx

Santafara,
I think you are confusing the species. Kondorong and chameleon. The later is the one that change its color according to its environment.



Thanks Bronx.

Santafara needs to go to Yoro Bawol to learn our ways.
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Karamba



United Kingdom
3820 Posts

Posted - 03 Jan 2007 :  22:19:17  Show Profile Send Karamba a Private Message
Kondorong and The Brotherhood (in the neuter gender)

You are right. Democratisation is a process. It is like building any material or management structure. We have inputs to inject and expect output at some stage. We don't expect it to end with us. We ourelves and all our efforts serve as inputs to those who survive us. In that regard, even Jammeh with all his mistakes count as input. Jammeh is a material we can derive lot from. His total conduct is raw material for critical analysis. We must grow beyond vexation about what Jammeh does. He only does so much and we take lessons from that and utilise the experience as input to the democratisation process. Jammeh is contributing to speeding the process by many of his actions since July 1994. On that account, we may want to thank him for speeding the wheel along the road to changes. What he can't do is to stop changes. That is his problem today. It is out of his hands. We can start it from Bantaba in cyberspace and by day break we land at Kanilai on planet earth. We are all inputs ourselves. What do you make of that Kondorong?

Karamba
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