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bread man
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 Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 19:54:46
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Karamba
Well, NO NO NO Karamab it is not fair, but what evidence do you have that all these are done by the govīt? In every society there are good and bad ones, however the bad one can sometimes overshadow the good ones. This govīt do not condone any of the attrocities attributed to it and represents the security of the nation. A friend of mind was attacked at knife point ones and was brutally battered, he was not at all active in politics in the Gambia, was that Jammeh too??? Of cos not and you know that. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 19:54:46
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Karamba
Well, NO NO NO Karamab it is not fair, but what evidence do you have that all these are done by the govīt? In every society there are good and bad ones, however the bad one can sometimes overshadow the good ones. This govīt do not condone any of the attrocities attributed to it and represents the security of the nation. A friend of mind was attacked at knife point ones and was brutally battered, he was not at all active in politics in the Gambia, was that Jammeh too??? Of cos not and you know that. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 22:17:36
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Originally posted by bread man
Karamba
Well, NO NO NO Karamab it is not fair, but what evidence do you have that all these are done by the govīt? In every society there are good and bad ones, however the bad one can sometimes overshadow the good ones. This govīt do not condone any of the attrocities attributed to it and represents the security of the nation. A friend of mind was attacked at knife point ones and was brutally battered, he was not at all active in politics in the Gambia, was that Jammeh too??? Of cos not and you know that.
MR HUNGRY BREADMAN YOU SEEMS COMFUSE AS TO WHAT IS OPPRESSION AND WHAT IS NOT. A LOT OF OUR BROTHERS HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE YOU.PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PRAISE SINGING FOR YAYA FOR LONG AND THEN THE HAMMER TURN ON THEM ,THEN THEY REALISE WHAT A MISTAKE THEY WERE MAKING.MAY BE YOU WANT SOME KIND OF POSITION OR RECOGNITION BUT PLEASE TAKE IT SOME WERE ,WE IN THE BANTABA CANNOT BE BLINDED.WE NO THE BETRAYERS FROM LONG TIME AGO ,FROM GAMBIA-L TO OTHER GAMBIAN FORUMS. GAMBIAN'S VAYING FOR POSITION USE STUPID METHODS TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE BUT FOR YOU SHUP-UP OR WRITE SOME THING USEFUL.YAYA HAVE MURDERED AND TURTORED INNOCENT GAMBIANS AND YOU CALL THAT NATIONAL SECURITY .WHICH NATIONALS IS HE PROTECTING ? YOUR FOOLISH JUSTIFICATION OF YAYA'S CRIMES WILL NOT BE CONDONE .I WISH YOU IN HIS HELLHOLE ONE DAY . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 22:17:36
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Originally posted by bread man
Karamba
Well, NO NO NO Karamab it is not fair, but what evidence do you have that all these are done by the govīt? In every society there are good and bad ones, however the bad one can sometimes overshadow the good ones. This govīt do not condone any of the attrocities attributed to it and represents the security of the nation. A friend of mind was attacked at knife point ones and was brutally battered, he was not at all active in politics in the Gambia, was that Jammeh too??? Of cos not and you know that.
MR HUNGRY BREADMAN YOU SEEMS COMFUSE AS TO WHAT IS OPPRESSION AND WHAT IS NOT. A LOT OF OUR BROTHERS HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE YOU.PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PRAISE SINGING FOR YAYA FOR LONG AND THEN THE HAMMER TURN ON THEM ,THEN THEY REALISE WHAT A MISTAKE THEY WERE MAKING.MAY BE YOU WANT SOME KIND OF POSITION OR RECOGNITION BUT PLEASE TAKE IT SOME WERE ,WE IN THE BANTABA CANNOT BE BLINDED.WE NO THE BETRAYERS FROM LONG TIME AGO ,FROM GAMBIA-L TO OTHER GAMBIAN FORUMS. GAMBIAN'S VAYING FOR POSITION USE STUPID METHODS TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE BUT FOR YOU SHUP-UP OR WRITE SOME THING USEFUL.YAYA HAVE MURDERED AND TURTORED INNOCENT GAMBIANS AND YOU CALL THAT NATIONAL SECURITY .WHICH NATIONALS IS HE PROTECTING ? YOUR FOOLISH JUSTIFICATION OF YAYA'S CRIMES WILL NOT BE CONDONE .I WISH YOU IN HIS HELLHOLE ONE DAY . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 00:02:53
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Does anyone out there truly believe your man-on-the-street is responsible for any part of this list from Amensty International Library.which does not take into account the horrific seventeen months between July 1994 - Dec 1995?
04/10/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/007/2006
31/05/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/006/2006
25/04/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/005/2006
13/04/2006 Gambia: Alleged coup plot must not be used as excuse to violate citizens' human rights (NEWS)
AFR 27/004/2006
06/04/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/002/2006
28/03/2006 Gambia: Incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2006
08/11/2004 Gambia: Further information on: Incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2004
10/10/2003 West Africa: Time to abolish the death penalty (REPORTS)
AFR 05/003/2003
28/02/2003 Gambia: Open letter to members of Parliament of the Gambia. (REPORTS)
AFR 27/005/2003
30/01/2003 Gambia: Further information on Incommunicado detention/ Fear of torture or ill-treatment "Mubarak" (m), Moroccan national. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/004/2003
23/01/2003 Gambia: Further Information on Incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/003/2003
11/01/2003 Gambia: Further Information on incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/002/2003
08/01/2003 GAMBIA: Incommunicado detention/ Fear of torture or ill-treatment "Mubarak" (m), Moroccan national (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2003
11/12/2002 Gambia: Incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/006/2002
07/08/2002 Gambia: Growing clampdown on freedom of expression (NEWS)
AFR 27/005/2002
02/08/2002 Gambia: Further information on Fear for safety/Incommunicado detention/possible prisoner of conscience, Guy-Patrick Massoloka. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/004/2002
29/07/2002 Gambia: Fear for safety/Incommunicado detention/possible prisoner of conscience, Guy-Patrick Massoloka. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/003/2002
23/07/2002 Gambia: Missed opportunity to promote human rights (NEWS)
AFR 27/002/2002
01/12/2001 The Wire December 2001, Vol.31, No.9. (REPORTS)
NWS 21/010/2001
26/10/2001 Gambia: Further information on Fear of ill-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/009/2001
26/10/2001 Gambia: Secretary General of AI Gambia released but concern remains (NEWS)
AFR 27/008/2001
25/10/2001 Gambia: Amnesty International demands the release of the head of its Gambian section (NEWS)
AFR 27/007/2001
25/10/2001 Gambia: Further information on Fear of ll-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/006/2001
24/10/2001 Gambia: Urgent appeal to EU: Arrest of Amnesty International official and opposition leader in Gambia. (NEWS)
AFR 27/005/2001
23/10/2001 Gambia: Further information on Fear of ill-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (James) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/004/2001
22/10/2001 Gambia: Fear of ill-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/003/2001
10/04/2001 Gambia: Justice not impunity (NEWS)
AFR 27/001/2001
12/04/2000 Gambia: Excessive use of force by security forces with fourteen people killed and at least 28 injured (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2000
02/12/1997 Gambia: Democratic reform without human rights (REPORTS)
AFR 27/004/1997
28/11/1997 The Gambia: Report on human rights violations (NEWS)
AFR 27/005/1997
31 - 34 out of 34
19/12/1996 The Gambia: The government must protect human rights during the forthcoming parliamentary elections (NEWS)
AFR 27/011/1996
07/08/1996 Gambia: Thursday's referendum - revised draft constitution retains threats to human rights (NEWS)
AFR 27/008/1996
26/01/1996 The Gambia: Erosion of human rights safeguards continues (REPORTS)
AFR 27/002/1996
11/01/1996 Gambia: Delegation visits Gambia to meet authorities, NGOs (NEWS)
AFR 27/001/1996
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tryants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always. / Mahatma Gandhi
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 00:02:53
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Does anyone out there truly believe your man-on-the-street is responsible for any part of this list from Amensty International Library.which does not take into account the horrific seventeen months between July 1994 - Dec 1995?
04/10/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/007/2006
31/05/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/006/2006
25/04/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/005/2006
13/04/2006 Gambia: Alleged coup plot must not be used as excuse to violate citizens' human rights (NEWS)
AFR 27/004/2006
06/04/2006 Gambia: Further information on incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/002/2006
28/03/2006 Gambia: Incommunicado detention/fear of torture or ill-treatment (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2006
08/11/2004 Gambia: Further information on: Incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2004
10/10/2003 West Africa: Time to abolish the death penalty (REPORTS)
AFR 05/003/2003
28/02/2003 Gambia: Open letter to members of Parliament of the Gambia. (REPORTS)
AFR 27/005/2003
30/01/2003 Gambia: Further information on Incommunicado detention/ Fear of torture or ill-treatment "Mubarak" (m), Moroccan national. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/004/2003
23/01/2003 Gambia: Further Information on Incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/003/2003
11/01/2003 Gambia: Further Information on incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/002/2003
08/01/2003 GAMBIA: Incommunicado detention/ Fear of torture or ill-treatment "Mubarak" (m), Moroccan national (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2003
11/12/2002 Gambia: Incommunicado detention/Fear of ill-treatment/Health concern. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/006/2002
07/08/2002 Gambia: Growing clampdown on freedom of expression (NEWS)
AFR 27/005/2002
02/08/2002 Gambia: Further information on Fear for safety/Incommunicado detention/possible prisoner of conscience, Guy-Patrick Massoloka. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/004/2002
29/07/2002 Gambia: Fear for safety/Incommunicado detention/possible prisoner of conscience, Guy-Patrick Massoloka. (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/003/2002
23/07/2002 Gambia: Missed opportunity to promote human rights (NEWS)
AFR 27/002/2002
01/12/2001 The Wire December 2001, Vol.31, No.9. (REPORTS)
NWS 21/010/2001
26/10/2001 Gambia: Further information on Fear of ill-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/009/2001
26/10/2001 Gambia: Secretary General of AI Gambia released but concern remains (NEWS)
AFR 27/008/2001
25/10/2001 Gambia: Amnesty International demands the release of the head of its Gambian section (NEWS)
AFR 27/007/2001
25/10/2001 Gambia: Further information on Fear of ll-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/006/2001
24/10/2001 Gambia: Urgent appeal to EU: Arrest of Amnesty International official and opposition leader in Gambia. (NEWS)
AFR 27/005/2001
23/10/2001 Gambia: Further information on Fear of ill-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (James) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/004/2001
22/10/2001 Gambia: Fear of ill-treatment/prisoner of conscience/human rights defender, Lamine Sillah, Secretary General, Amnesty International Gambia (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/003/2001
10/04/2001 Gambia: Justice not impunity (NEWS)
AFR 27/001/2001
12/04/2000 Gambia: Excessive use of force by security forces with fourteen people killed and at least 28 injured (URGENT ACTIONS)
AFR 27/001/2000
02/12/1997 Gambia: Democratic reform without human rights (REPORTS)
AFR 27/004/1997
28/11/1997 The Gambia: Report on human rights violations (NEWS)
AFR 27/005/1997
31 - 34 out of 34
19/12/1996 The Gambia: The government must protect human rights during the forthcoming parliamentary elections (NEWS)
AFR 27/011/1996
07/08/1996 Gambia: Thursday's referendum - revised draft constitution retains threats to human rights (NEWS)
AFR 27/008/1996
26/01/1996 The Gambia: Erosion of human rights safeguards continues (REPORTS)
AFR 27/002/1996
11/01/1996 Gambia: Delegation visits Gambia to meet authorities, NGOs (NEWS)
AFR 27/001/1996
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tryants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always. / Mahatma Gandhi
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 01:23:20
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Master Bread,
Do you know "man cannot survive on bread alone"?
The social consciousness and political maturity of Gambians is beyond the everyday drumming and singing at Kanilai. Can you get the messages clear. We are putting it to you that Yahya Jammeh took guns to rob us our decent democracy. He now continues using brutal force to suppress Gambians. Are you still saying that is correct and civilised? Was it a priority that those schools and even the airport terminal was face-lifted? Jammeh did all that so he can turn round to tell Gambians he is developing the country. Can't you make difference between smoke and fire? I am confident that many Gambians can. Let's know if you need further counselling. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 01:23:20
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Master Bread,
Do you know "man cannot survive on bread alone"?
The social consciousness and political maturity of Gambians is beyond the everyday drumming and singing at Kanilai. Can you get the messages clear. We are putting it to you that Yahya Jammeh took guns to rob us our decent democracy. He now continues using brutal force to suppress Gambians. Are you still saying that is correct and civilised? Was it a priority that those schools and even the airport terminal was face-lifted? Jammeh did all that so he can turn round to tell Gambians he is developing the country. Can't you make difference between smoke and fire? I am confident that many Gambians can. Let's know if you need further counselling. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 08:14:42
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Originally posted by Karamba
Master Bread,
Do you know "man cannot survive on bread alone"?
The social consciousness and political maturity of Gambians is beyond the everyday drumming and singing at Kanilai. Can you get the messages clear. We are putting it to you that Yahya Jammeh took guns to rob us our decent democracy. He now continues using brutal force to suppress Gambians. Are you still saying that is correct and civilised? Was it a priority that those schools and even the airport terminal was face-lifted? Jammeh did all that so he can turn round to tell Gambians he is developing the country. Can't you make difference between smoke and fire? I am confident that many Gambians can. Let's know if you need further counselling.
mr karamba .the guy is mad he doesn't need conseling. you KNOW people like former secretary of state karafa badjie use to attack any body writing about yaya when he was interested in returning to the gambia. all most gambians want is title and ego. that is it. they can even lick yaya behind without thinking. breadman is just one of them |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 08:14:42
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Originally posted by Karamba
Master Bread,
Do you know "man cannot survive on bread alone"?
The social consciousness and political maturity of Gambians is beyond the everyday drumming and singing at Kanilai. Can you get the messages clear. We are putting it to you that Yahya Jammeh took guns to rob us our decent democracy. He now continues using brutal force to suppress Gambians. Are you still saying that is correct and civilised? Was it a priority that those schools and even the airport terminal was face-lifted? Jammeh did all that so he can turn round to tell Gambians he is developing the country. Can't you make difference between smoke and fire? I am confident that many Gambians can. Let's know if you need further counselling.
mr karamba .the guy is mad he doesn't need conseling. you KNOW people like former secretary of state karafa badjie use to attack any body writing about yaya when he was interested in returning to the gambia. all most gambians want is title and ego. that is it. they can even lick yaya behind without thinking. breadman is just one of them |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 14:43:49
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Santangfara,
I am really saddened by your lack of understanding that people have the democratic right to be pro or anti govīt. Am not interested in Jammehīs drumming and dancing at Kanilai, all I want is a govīt that tries to reach the basic need of the average Gambian. I also know that no body in this world is liked by all. There bound to be people against you sometimes, so you being anti Jammeh does not make you stupid to me cos I respect your democratic rights to support any one you want. Secondly am not interested in any jobs from Jammeh, and honestly I am only using my rights to be either anti or pro govīt.
Karamba,
Jammeh seized power by the gun and yes that was not constitutional, however, he was later voted in to office democratically and I respect the will of the people. If you were in The Gambia july 94 you would have also supported the change that took place cos the majority of the people did. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 14:43:49
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Santangfara,
I am really saddened by your lack of understanding that people have the democratic right to be pro or anti govīt. Am not interested in Jammehīs drumming and dancing at Kanilai, all I want is a govīt that tries to reach the basic need of the average Gambian. I also know that no body in this world is liked by all. There bound to be people against you sometimes, so you being anti Jammeh does not make you stupid to me cos I respect your democratic rights to support any one you want. Secondly am not interested in any jobs from Jammeh, and honestly I am only using my rights to be either anti or pro govīt.
Karamba,
Jammeh seized power by the gun and yes that was not constitutional, however, he was later voted in to office democratically and I respect the will of the people. If you were in The Gambia july 94 you would have also supported the change that took place cos the majority of the people did. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 17:56:51
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Bread Man,
The fact that Jammeh started with a coup is where everything's gone wrong. His trick was/is to use the gun and now tries to sell his fame game. Why can't he get out of it for goodness sake so that a fresh air of proper democracy is restored. For now the casting of votes One Hundred times does not make Jammeh democratic. This is history, mind you. It is an aspect of the objective realities. It is not how Jammeh wants to be seen but how history accounts him that stands. Any fool could bid for fame, love, popularity, votes, if that is why you want us to accept Jammeh for. On top of the coup (Bloodless !!!!!!!) Jammeh is now on record as swimming in the blood of innocent citizens since the coup till date. You still want us to accept that? If you are not a blind supporter of Jammeh, there is ample reason for you to join progressive advocacy in restoring true and clean democracy in Gambia.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 17:56:51
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Bread Man,
The fact that Jammeh started with a coup is where everything's gone wrong. His trick was/is to use the gun and now tries to sell his fame game. Why can't he get out of it for goodness sake so that a fresh air of proper democracy is restored. For now the casting of votes One Hundred times does not make Jammeh democratic. This is history, mind you. It is an aspect of the objective realities. It is not how Jammeh wants to be seen but how history accounts him that stands. Any fool could bid for fame, love, popularity, votes, if that is why you want us to accept Jammeh for. On top of the coup (Bloodless !!!!!!!) Jammeh is now on record as swimming in the blood of innocent citizens since the coup till date. You still want us to accept that? If you are not a blind supporter of Jammeh, there is ample reason for you to join progressive advocacy in restoring true and clean democracy in Gambia.
Wa Salaam. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 20:36:14
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Originally posted by bread man
Santangfara,
Karamba,
Jammeh seized power by the gun and yes that was not constitutional, however, he was later voted in to office democratically and I respect the will of the people. If you were in The Gambia july 94 you would have also supported the change that took place cos the majority of the people did.
This is the problem. Like the mandinka say BUKU SUMUNA LA. You cannot use urine to wash faeces. You are never clean. You need water to clean oneself not urine.
The very act of treason by seizing power very well negates whatever comes next. Its all about legitimacy. If you live in a glass house, you cannot throw stones. But as mandinka say KUNU KANTALA BUKA YAA JEH.
Its the law and as such it should take its course and if that law had been applied there would not have been an election let alone for him to become president.
I will give you a simple case of Islamic jurisprudence. This happened in the Gambia. A married man had a child out of wedlock. Under Shariah, that man should have been stoned to death. However, the law never applied because we are a democracy, which is fine by me. However, when he died, it was decided that the illegitimate child couldnt inherit according to Islam. But this illegitimate child is older than many of his half siblings.
There was a lot of fighting to share the wealth. An old man passed by and was asked to adjucate. He asked the gathering if they have ever seen a dead person still capable of making babies. They all shouted no. He told them the shariah they wanted to apply to deny the illegitimate child could only have been so if the father was subjected to Sharia in which case he would have died, and therefore he would not have had any more children.
He told them that these children claiming inheritance are children of a dead man, which is impossible. It was therefore ruled that the illegitimate child would inherit because the shariah that denied him inheritance was never applied on the father, which enabled him to have "legitimate" children. He would have died without these so called legitimate children. An illegal act does not lead to legitimacy.
Therefore a coup does not legitimised a presidency even if that coup led to a government of democracy with the same coup leaders at the top. The variables would become unfair and illegal in the first place. You cannot steal money and ask forgiveness because part of the money was given to poor people. The law does not see what you do with the money, it sees the act of stealing which should not go unpunished in some form.
In Ghana, Rawlings used to celebrate the November revolution just like our July 22nd. But Ghanaians took him to court that he could not celebrate removing a democratically elected government and the citizens won against the state. Because Ghanaians saw it as an attack on democracy and such is not anything to be proud.
But then i remind myself that Ghana is not Gambia where 70% of our population have no education to High school and barely even went to school. Rawlings never celebrated that day again. May i remind you less you forget, the July 22 is modeled on the Ghanaian revolution but Rawlings was quick to tell the soldiers to hand over power to civilian rule which they refused. Unfortunately in the Gambia, July 22 is more important than February 18.
No wonder, he told us that coups are justified means to change a government based on the criteria he gave. A coup is never a justified option in a democracy. No matter how badly governed people might be, one should have faith in the ballot box and legitimately be given the blessing of the majority.
Like the Wolof say: SO BUGEH DON MBAHANA, DANGA NANGO DON DALLA (If you want to be a hat and sit on our heads, you must be prepared to be a shoe in the first place to be trampled on). Its all about legitimacy.
But you see, even if he had not seized power through a coup, democracy still accords the citizens to participate in the selection of their leaders, which means that divergent views are an integral part of democratic ideals. May be you and I can do this on Bantaba, but i am not sure if we could do this in Yoro Bawol under the mango tree by the health centre. Yoro Bawol may be far from Banjul, but too close for comfort.
Throughout history, democracy only thrives by being vigilant and speaking up and also the entrenchment of freedom of speech, assembly and association.
The freedom of association also guarantees the freedom to not associate with any party in the first place. This freedom to not associate is what gives citizens inalianable rights to form their own political parties. I dont want to turn this into a civic class.
That is why we have presidential elections to re-evaluate performance. The minorities in a democracy who are in opposition are also protected from the majority party through constitutional instruments like freedom of speech, assembly, association, without let or hindrance. They dont have to beg to have these rights enjoyed. It must be given to them without hinderance.
REMEMBER, AN OPPOSITION IS A GOVERNMENT IN WAITING WHILST A GOVERNMENT IS AN OPPOSITION IN WAITING. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.
When you walk the ladder of success, please be nice to those you pass along the way, beacuse when you have a free fall, they may stretch out their hands so that you dont have a hard landing on the ground. A nice gesture triggers niceness.
Unfortunately for us, that minority have become "saboteurs" who must be eliminated by all means necessary. Other constitutional protections are that the Gambia must remain a democracy; a key principle that ensures that a majority should not during anytime in the future be able to oppress the minority by seizing all instruments of a democratic state. I dont want to be part of a democracry where there is no opposition nor do I want to be president where the opposition is weak to participate in critical national issues.
But that is human life. We only ask for lenienecy when we loose power. I would sugget you watch the movie titled: "The gods must be crazy" based on the SAN people of the kalahari desert. Play close attention to the fight that the bushman saw between two opposing armies and where one invokes the Geneva Conventions for prisoners of war when he was captured and being ill treated. He however subjected his captors to the same brutality when the tides changed in his favour.
I rest my case.
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