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Cornelius
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 Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 18:42:49
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
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Originally posted by Ebra
My friend Sant. you said you will table a motion for me to be ban from bantaba. Okay, if you wish,I CARELESS,I know if your motion goes through, it will give me clear indication that you and your supporters are not democratic. Remember, freedom of speech, I guess this is what you have been crying all along.
If am censored, I will join/ be hire by the pro Jammeh online papers such as PROGRESSIVEAFRICANS.COM.
Let me tell you Jammeh's world Bank. "BATADUM SHAHASU WURAHU" WITH THIS VERSE, IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT, YOU CAN HAVE MONEY ANYTIME, ANYWHERE YOU WANT. BUT REMEMBER IT GOES WITH CERTAIN STUFFS WHICH I WILL NOT ELABORATE ON.
DEMOCRACRY MEANS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AS FAR AS YOU DON'T TRAMPLE THE LAW.
no wonder you are following mad jammeh's spritual banwagond. if it is so easy as you said then god help us. i suspect you most be rich then with this sort of verses. i for one believe in hard work and financial decscipline not some made-up verses to trick people . then give this verse to jammeh to pay-off our huge loans ,help the farmers with all necessary tools and fertalisers and not forgetting increasing the wages of the bartered civil servants .i don't need a penny or butu from your batatum and so on. this is why i detest sufism. they make people believe they have some hidden powers which most of the time turnout to be evil omens nothing to help us change our cicumstances. i did not hate free speech but you need to obey the proper order. say good things about yaya ,that is your opinion bro but don't continue making jokes. in most work places practical jokes is an offence. we are genuinely concerned for our country ,so let the debate be healthy. yaya have so many supporters on the forum but no one refuse them there voice. be a genuine debater. i love you with all my heart ,you could even be my brother who knows . i love and respect every single gambian no matter what political affiliation one has. we are one family . the yaya's misrule is affecting every one .believe it or not. wasalam. bro do away with those batadums please. follwo the sunnah and the quran and the salaf.
Dear Santanfara,
It’s a sad day on this Bantaba Forum to read a son of the soil saying” this is why i detest sufism. they make people believe they have some hidden powers which most of the time turnout to be evil omens nothing to help us change our cicumstances.”
Here is good advice:
http://erfan-gonabadi.com/Publications/PANDI-SALEH/body_pandi-saleh.html
Unfortunately, superstitions have crept into Islamised West African cultures and some people approach Marabouts in the same way that the Mushrikin approach the Medicine man and the "Witch doctor" or some idols for a talisman or charms to cure their worldy problems - but it is the Almighty Who is the source of all blessings.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=MARABOUTS&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
West African Maraboutism has led some people to depend on certain Marabouts - instead of having Tawakkul.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Tawakkul&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
The Salafis – and in particular Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s ”Kitab al-Tawhid” would class that kind of dependency under the classification of SHIRK – or depending on other than God.
This type of belief in the Sheikh as intercessor, protector, giver of Baraka, sawab, money, good fortune, political power, popularity etc is questionable.
If you haven’t done so, then it’s worthwhile to read it and then be in a position to have a perspective on what you have read. Here it is
”Kitab al-Tawhid:
http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/creed/abdulwahab/
http://www.answers.com/topic/muhammad-ibn-abd-al-wahhab
As I read on page 65 of ”Insights in the Torah – Shemos” a commentary by Rabbi Zalman Sorotzkin:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%E2%80%9DInsights+in+the+Torah+%22+Rabbi+Zalman+Sorotzkin&btnG=Search&meta=
”Why does the name HASHEM signify fulfilling promises? We can explain that a man of flesh and blood can promise, but may not be able to fulfil, because when the time comes he is no longer in the world, as the Torah says, ” Do not trust in great men.....his spirit leaves him.....his plans are lost” ( Tehillim146.3-4). This is not the case with one”whose hope is in HASHEM.....Who keeps truth forever.” (ibid); he can be sure that the promise will be kept no matter how much time elapses, for He lives and endures forever:”He was, He is; and He will be”. And that is what the Name of Existence refers to.”
One more thing: The discussions initiated by you (wanna rumble) and spearheaded by Karamba, Dalton etc. In my humble opinion, let me say that there is no evidence or cause to view the young president of the Gambia Alhaji Dr. Yahya Jammeh as a Pharaoh or one deserving of such a title as the Pharaoh of the Gambia.
Far from it, be he.
And in our criticism of him or anybody let us try to be fair, if not sympathetic.
To be that and to be human, we do not necessarily need a distinguished ancestry going back all the way to Aba Abraham,Isaac, Jacob and the Twelve Tribes, nor do we have to be direct descendants of Kunta Kinte to have brotherly love for our Gambian brothers and sisters, to be always sympathetic to them and to raise our voices in outrage not only at the Holocaust which the Nazis and their supporters visited upon the Jewish people, but also at each and every transgression of the rights of all those others who the Almighty, Blessed be He, created in His own image and likeness.
I intend to take this matter up in the WORLD POLITICS section, as I translate and paraphrase relevant parts of Bitte Hammargren’s article which appeared in Friday’s Svenska Dagbladet, in which, having mentioned “Professor David Menashri, one of Israel’s leading experts on Iran and director of the Centre for Iran Studies at the University of Tel Aviv” she states that “The Iranian-born David Menashri opposes the Likud leader Bibi Netanyahu's speech in which he describes Ahmadinejad as a new Hitler”
http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/utrikes/did_14458709.asp
Bitte Hammargren’s reason she says, is “I’d never call Ahmadinejad a Hitler. Not that Iran’s president is a nice person but because we would trivialise the Holocaust if we equate him with Hitler.”
For similar reasons, any demonization of Yahya Jammeh, who, compared to Ahmadinejad is by far a much nicer guy (in fact 'dinejad is not at all nice) and so comparisons are a matter of scale and in some cases a comparison of INTENTIONS (and as every good Muslim knows,
“ A man is judged by his intentions!” - This Bitte Hammargren probably does not KNOW but she does KNOW that Din-ejad wants to “Wipe out “Israel from the map and therefore she should know better than to not compare him to Hitler.
All of us know the saying that "A man is judged by the company he keeps" and (all of us here in Bantaba are in one way or another “birds of the same feather” and therefore Jammeh, 'Jinedad and Chavez are in some ways birds of similar feathers (and we are to suppose best of friends). Now we know that the Honourable president Jammeh has sent some noble Gambian soldiers to Darfur. But when the sheet hits the fan in Iran, will he indeed be sending some of his 800 regular troops to defend his friend in need?
In case you or anyone else thinks that I have anything against the Shia, then you are gravely mistaken.
Now that I have been given marching orders at work ( and of late the atmosphere has become unbearably racist in certain quarters, but more about that later here and elsewhere in unforgettable descriptions), within a month I intend to show you in brief outline the kind of job that I would do today ( verbally) or that I could have done in 1746 – when Shah Nader had that debate between Sunni and Shia, which the Shia are supposed to have “lost” and with regard to refutations of that Hadith and its understanding and applicability, in doing so with an assured Shia stand, to throw light upon light on this Hadith and with which the Sun is in deep soup, if indeed the Hadith is authentic.
" 1- He said, "First, I should like to ask you a question: Hadrat Prophet 'sall-allahu alaihi wasallam' stated as follows about Ali ibn Abi Talib 'radi-allahu anh': 'Whatever Harun (Aaron) was in relation to Musa (Moses), you are the same with relation to me. The only difference is that no Prophet shall come after me.' You, too, know this hadith."
"Yes. In fact, it is widely known," I said.
He said, "This hadith ash-Sharif shows that Imam-i-Ali should be the Khalifa after hadrat Prophet."
"How is that," I asked.
He said, "It is pointed out that the position of Imam-i-Ali in relation to the Prophet is identical with that of Harun to Musa. The only exception is stated to be "Yet no Prophet shall come after me." For this reason, hadrat Ali should be the first Khalifa. Had Harun's lifetime not ended, he would have succeeded Musa."
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Documents_of_the_Right_Word/1.htm |
Edited by - Cornelius on 20 Jan 2007 19:50:19 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 21:10:34
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hi coni , i have read every book i lay my hand on regarding understanding tawheed. the concept of tawheed have been misunderstood in many african societies and that is as result of the sufi- mystic masters. from the the days when they occupy position of authority and act as mediator in societies ,there they propel themself to having hidden knowlege.
this practice is wide spread among the jahankas in the gambia and senegal. in the genuea region the polfutas also claim to have hidden knowledge and also in mali and many other places. they only use this socall hidden knowledge for gaining wealth ,thus going against the teaching of the quran. do not sell the ayah for personal gains. they the sufis also don't teach people whatever knowledge they pocess and this is a great sin .whoever hide knowledge of Allah will be punished . i spend my early age learning under this system of sufi methodology and from early on ,i detest it. a muslim don't need any intercessor or mediator. i spend four years in a catholic mission run school and i was sponsored by them . i have several tetatet with father martin from ghana on their concept of god . the catholic way is quiet similar with the sufi way. the sufi say you need a sheik to lead you to God ,this is noncense. only ignorant muslims believe this fabricated theory. i know some sufis don't preach that ,some are only after closeness to Allah by doing tawasaf and other meditation and avoiding the materialistic world .
i am not arguing the whole concept of sufism because it is a wide believe system. but what muslims need to do is go back to quran and sunnah as understood by the early sahabahs period. any other way will lead to many errors. may Allah guide the ummah on the correct aqida . Allah is full of mercy and love ,he will bless whoever he wish to enter jannah. marabout culture and so on don't necessarily have much to do with quran .this people use mostly some other things. example calling the names of jinns and some things to do with kabala. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 21:10:34
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hi coni , i have read every book i lay my hand on regarding understanding tawheed. the concept of tawheed have been misunderstood in many african societies and that is as result of the sufi- mystic masters. from the the days when they occupy position of authority and act as mediator in societies ,there they propel themself to having hidden knowlege.
this practice is wide spread among the jahankas in the gambia and senegal. in the genuea region the polfutas also claim to have hidden knowledge and also in mali and many other places. they only use this socall hidden knowledge for gaining wealth ,thus going against the teaching of the quran. do not sell the ayah for personal gains. they the sufis also don't teach people whatever knowledge they pocess and this is a great sin .whoever hide knowledge of Allah will be punished . i spend my early age learning under this system of sufi methodology and from early on ,i detest it. a muslim don't need any intercessor or mediator. i spend four years in a catholic mission run school and i was sponsored by them . i have several tetatet with father martin from ghana on their concept of god . the catholic way is quiet similar with the sufi way. the sufi say you need a sheik to lead you to God ,this is noncense. only ignorant muslims believe this fabricated theory. i know some sufis don't preach that ,some are only after closeness to Allah by doing tawasaf and other meditation and avoiding the materialistic world .
i am not arguing the whole concept of sufism because it is a wide believe system. but what muslims need to do is go back to quran and sunnah as understood by the early sahabahs period. any other way will lead to many errors. may Allah guide the ummah on the correct aqida . Allah is full of mercy and love ,he will bless whoever he wish to enter jannah. marabout culture and so on don't necessarily have much to do with quran .this people use mostly some other things. example calling the names of jinns and some things to do with kabala. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 23:05:22
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A lot of superstition has crept into pure Islam and I myself am in no position to give advice beyond recommending that a person learn from the right source and put what he has learned and is learning, into practice. According to my own understanding Islam is very easy, very straightforward, very clear and very easy to follow (in spite of the obstructing & egotistical nafs) and the great secret as I understand it is to do everything -fisabilillah - for the sake of the Almighty and a person can even observe his own progress.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=fisabilillah+%28+for+the+sake+of+Allah&btnG=Search&meta=
Sometime ago one of my younger Palestinian friends recommended this site:
http://www.spubs.com/sps/
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 23:05:22
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A lot of superstition has crept into pure Islam and I myself am in no position to give advice beyond recommending that a person learn from the right source and put what he has learned and is learning, into practice. According to my own understanding Islam is very easy, very straightforward, very clear and very easy to follow (in spite of the obstructing & egotistical nafs) and the great secret as I understand it is to do everything -fisabilillah - for the sake of the Almighty and a person can even observe his own progress.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=fisabilillah+%28+for+the+sake+of+Allah&btnG=Search&meta=
Sometime ago one of my younger Palestinian friends recommended this site:
http://www.spubs.com/sps/
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