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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15 Dec 2006 : 23:31:46
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Sister Omega, I believe that prostitutes should be dealt with leniently. They are victims. Often they are drug addicts or victims of abuse in the home or children from childrens homes put on the street when they are 16. I think a good society should treat these women compassionately.
In my view in an ideal world there would be NO prostitutes. Women would only sleep with men when they want to and economics would have no part in that equation. Sadly many women are addicted to drugs and forced into prostitution to feed their habits. Many young women are not supported by their families, for whatever reason and are left to drift.
Any man who buys the sun newspaper, or top shelf magazines, or porn videos or porn on sky tv or goods from sex shops all contributes to this trade in women as sex objects.
The women involved in any aspect of the trade are the VICTIMS and the men are the criminals. Pimps and clients should be prosecuted.
I am not a prudish person. There is nothing wrong with a healthy sex life, but it should be between two equal, consenting adults. That isnot a crime!  |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2007 : 13:55:19
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Did you know 700,000 people are trafficked each year for sexual expliotation this so called industry Global turnover is £4 billion per year? Source Amnesty International.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2007 : 17:45:32
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| That is an amazingly shocking figure. I feel so sad for all those women and their lives. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2007 : 17:59:59
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I agree it's a terrible figure. Britain has failed to sign up for the Convention Action Against Trafficking in Human Beings drawn up ny the European Council, which needs to be rectified by 10 states to become EU Law. Today in Britain from Glasgow to Brighton and London to Cornwall prostitutes are working in Cities and towns this is truely an international problem. It seems ironic that Briton will be blowing its own trumpet to commemorate the Biencentenuary of The Abolition of the Transatlanic Slave Trade this year yet is relunctant to stop Human Trafficking today.
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reference: Women For Sale Amnesty International. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 01:14:48
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I couldn’t believe that Gambiebev could be so compassionate. She’s said it all at the top of the page where she says “I think a good society should treat these women
Compassionately.” And the men too……
Where is Emman who ignited this discussion?
And where is Al-Hassan?
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/comment/0,,1973901,00.html
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1877276,00.html
Over the years the Guardian has come up with a great deal of social commentary on the hazards of prostitution..... It takes time going through links or books, and no one is supposed to read through all of it. So don’t complain. It’s ok to ignore whatever one doesn’t like. It’s a free world. (Isn’t it?):
In the Google Search engine, I wrote:
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The Guardian: Prostitution.
http://www.google.se/search?sourceid=navclient-menuext&ie=UTF-8&q=The+Guardian%3a+Prostitution%2e
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Many societies look down on prostitutes with aversion.
I first heard the very ugly expression UAC at a student Evangelical Meeting in Nigeria and I recognised the name UAC which I first took as the United Africa Company - one of the viable firms in the colonial and immediate post- colonial epoch. Other such companies( Commercial Firms) were CFAO a French company, and there was also Kingsway Stores for the Aristos ( nothing to do with a book by the same name by John Fowles – aristo – at least in Sierra Leone, means aristocrats, petty bourgeoisie and the nouveau riche – like the growing middle class in the Gambia.
Only for the docile who don’t have so much to unlearn:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=John+Fowles+%3A+The+Aristos&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=nouveau+riche++&btnG=Search&meta=
The Bible-thumping - this time Ekwere - not the fanatical Igbo pastor who nearly drowned me with his “full-immersion” baptism in Umuahia – ( he must have thought that he was a reincarnation of John the Baptiser and that he was doing his practicals or early morning practice in what he imagined was the River Jordan) but here the Ekwere brother was on fire and busy defining UAC as “shop-soiled” as USED AND CONDEMNED and I recoiled at his describing our Ashawo and no longer virginal sisters in that way. The real danger is that some of the re-cycled middle aged , aging , OLD and to some extent reformed whose attractions have faded below horizontal level and would not fetch a good price in the white slave market ( price has come down as that song says “your thighs are a ruin”) and because price on the market has come down what options are available to them ? This is a serious question.
Spiritual regeneration?
Baptism? Born again with holy Kanilai water? Would you call one who converted from Christianity to Islam as one practicing a borrowed religion?
Well, in many a congregations are reformed – former – Ashawoes who are Ashawoes no more, but now repented and new responsible members of their communities.
As an aside in connection with this episode of full immersion,
Demba tells me of a Holocaust film he saw in which a Jew was claiming that Jesus was his saviour as they were dragging him to the deportation train to transport him to one of the German Concentration Camps. It didn’t help. The Nazi guard asked him “Do you think a few drops of holy water sprinkled on your head is going to transform you from being a Jew into being a Christian? " - With Kunta Kinte, well, they only shipped him down river as Alex Haley lived to tell the tale.
Here too there is KIDDUSH HASHEM:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Kiddush+HaShem&meta=
We pray that those who want peace and love pursue it will get it by the helping hand of the Almighty. I do not believe that someone will look for peace and righteousness and not find it.
Not that I think that Bantaba is the best place in the world in which to search for enlightenment from anyone in particular, from any self-appointed icons, teachers, poets, soothsayers, ideologues, priest or prophets.
But we are hopefully all here to help make the Gambia and the world, a better place- that’s all – not to win wars, but to be God-fearing. About our sisters who have fallen along the way, the question remains, how do we help them? Are they not also to be a part of a UNITED GAMBIA AGAINST DOMINATION ?
Jacob Neusner devotes a whole chapter to discussing “The Sermon on the Mount”:
http://www.amazon.com/Rabbi-Talks-Jesus-Jacob-Neusner/dp/0773520465
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Neusner+%3A+A+Rabbi+talks+to+Jesus&meta=
Now, anybody can go or come in peace and not bother me
Not in the name of Peter, Paul & Mary, either.
What’s that I heard?
I heard someone say “Don’t be messing with the wrong Nee-ggg-eee-rrrr, because in all fairness he will warn you enough times, and then kick your big ess! “
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 16:18:25
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Originally posted by gambiabev
That is an amazingly shocking figure. I feel so sad for all those women and their lives.
Bev,
I am very sorry to say that most of these women choose to do so because of money. There was a time when we had the same problems with too much African women in the streets of Stockholm. Those engaged in this trade are not ready to put a stop to it. In fact there are some Gambian women engaged in this act here in Europe. They move from country to country in Europe. Those of you who live in Sweden could remember Joyce sjö who did a study for AFRIS. The study was about how many African women are engaged as sex wokers in the streets of Stockholm.Cornelius I suggest you contact landstingen förebygger Aids(LAFA) for conformation. This is because I want a neutral person to do the check up and present the results to the Bantaba.
I understand Mbay very well, but I am only a Bantaba member. Kondorong, you must look into the dangers and not on who rules Gambia. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 16:40:26
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It's good that you are back Al-Hassan and raising your voice about a very serious issue that concerns all of us.
I've just checked and got the LAFA phone number (517-781-09 ) and will also check with Ricky Komolafe who was working with Noah's Ark a long time ago.
The fact is that if our African women are not respected, we the African men will not be respected either.
Unfortunately the long arm of the Gambian Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not seem to reach as far as Stockholm ( or does it ? ) to help people who may be in trouble here.
One of the features that I admire most about Senegal's Foreign Ministry policy is that their concern - not only about Music export -encompasses the well-being of Diaspora citizens as well.
Understandably some of our little countries do not have the resources that can stretch that far, and the Gambian Diaspora West is a large one, perhaps in excess of 100,000 persons who work and remit money back home from Europe and the United States and other places which offer a better life.
As Karamba said yesterday ” Without any fear of exageration, one dares say there is perhaps no written language in this world that at least one Gambian is not able to read and write at high standard “
Today there are Gambians all over the planet and unlike Kunta Kinte, I mean Gambians who were not kidnapped or forced into slavery - or into White Slavery |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 16:55:56
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Cornelius,
Thanks for your reply. I am sorry to say,Ricky Komolafe is not a good source in this matter. LAFA has the results if not proffessor Sam Atuma. I just met him before X-Mas.
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 22:34:51
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Al-Hassan,
I am not a “neutral person” about anything especially not about Gambian or African affairs and I should hope that I will always be courageous enough to stand up for what I believe to be right, to stand up for brothers and sisters and to have a definitive position on all matters – to try to help and not to hinder the progress and the dignity of the black man and woman.
No one should make a scapegoat of the black man or black woman.
Just imagine if it had been a black man who had assassinated Olof Palme, or Anna Lindh or Yitzhak Rabin or John F. Kennedy. Just one lone ranger darkie. We would all be swimming in the deep soup up till today.
Having said that I do not believe in having any sympathy for the devil or terrorists: they should not be protected in any way.
Joyce Sulusi-Sjö’s study for AFRIS aside, I’m sure that over the past several years you too have felt uncomfortable on every occasion that Swedish newspapers have drawn attention to the presence of our African sisters on Malmskillnadsgatan and in Malmö in particular, prior to the criminalisation of the act of purchasing sex.
I have not read about African women being apprehended in any of the subsequent raids and police “razzias” on brothels and suspected brothels after prostitution was criminalised by Swedish law and not just morality-preaching from the pulpits or minbars in Sweden. Not any African women of late - the sensationalist evening press has mostly mentioned women from East Europe, the Baltic States, Asia, Central and South America. There are accurate statistics about all these crimes, even as to the country of origin of those who fall foul of the law – but tomorrow when I check for facts from LAFA and the police, whatever information I come by will remain confidential and I do not intend to ever embarrass any Gambian: it is against our religious teachings to go out of our way to humiliate anyone. I do not intend to give any unsavoury details about any particular Gambian or group of Gambians for the simple reason that when Gambians are demonised or when there is a kind of witchhunt or making scapegoats of Gambians I would chose to identify myself as a Gambian and whenever Gambians are the victims of scapegoat-ing, then every African is a Gambian and (of course every Gambian is an African) not that I believe that the many should be made to pay for the sins of the few, but they detect a couple of African prostitutes of whatever nationality and they say - " The Africans !They are all prostitutes, or thieves !" Or " They all have AIDS!!"
It's clear that even the reputations of fallen women have to be protected - because the women that you may mention by name or in an amorphous mass most certainly come from respectable families back home and should you expose them by name – even as a well-meaning deterrent, rumours will take wings and spread perhaps all the way back to their compounds to which it may be difficult for them to return, even in their Mercedes Benzes.
Quite rightly my Yoruba brother Ricky Komolafe’s lips are sealed by oath of office but he has a grasp of the sociology of prostitution, sex and HIV Aids in Sweden since the days he worked at Noah's Ark on Drottningatan.
Should Sam Atuma or Mauricio Rojas for that matter come out today and reel off some figures and holier-than-thou sort of opinions, I know more than one Yoruba man that might jump on him.
Anyway, Al-Hassan tomorrow is another day and talking about the problem or confirming anyone’s view or apportioning blame here and there does not solve the problem, and our aim is to solve the problem isn’t it? We need to take the kinds of very positive steps that Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam for instance has taken in solving some of these kinds of problems, replacing drug addiction by another type of totalitarian dictatorship - a dictatorship other than heroin or the weed.
Wa salaam,
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justice
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 02:27:50
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 10:45:44
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Originally posted by Cornelius
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6295267.stm
Cornelius,
Thanks for the news. These people come to Sweden sometimes in exchange with other girls. this has been going on for the past 7 years. We who are involved in Africans health issues in Europe are aware of this. We need an African-European network against it. Is there any suggeation from the Bantaba? This is not omnly a Nigerian problem. |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 16:50:20
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that you may turn upside down?
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Originally posted by justice
ESKEI"BROTHER CORN WHAT A WONDERFUL HUTBA FOR ALL AFRICAN BROTHERS DRIKING ATAYA AT THE BANTABA WE NEED MORE HUTBAS
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 20:49:46
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There is no god but Allah |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 00:31:07
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Anmaafamu ?
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
I CANT UNDERSTAND MBAY,CAN U SAY IT IN SALAHULAY PLEASE.
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