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Dalton1
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 Posted - 08 Oct 2006 : 22:16:21
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Kumba,
a call on all Gambians doesn't exclude me. I am putting in my vote, in agreement to what u stated above. So sad an incident. Also, we wait for God's time. Happy fasting to all!!! |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Cornelius
Sweden
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 01:28:49
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by kobo
Alhasan and Janyafara its hypocritical to hear your views on Gambian democracy and political systems. Even outsiders knew whats happenning.....ANARCHY AND FEAR FACTOR!!!! Moreso I never trusted Janyafara as an AGENT!!!
However don't blame you as THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE AVERAGE GAMBIAN ATTITUDES.
Read the following and your consciences will beat you on FALSE ALLEGATIONS, TO SOME EXTENT TRUTHS, FACTS AND REALITY.
Gambia: Jammeh 'Won', But the Writing Was on the Wall for Opposition under
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610060031.html
YOU WANT MORE VICTIMISATION, TERROR AND HYPOCRISY TO CONTINUE.
Compare with our neighbours also ‘Rewmi’ Divides the Country
under http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines1268.htm
Thats ARICAN POLITICS!!!
Kobo,
You people must be joking. You do not want to accept defeat or belive in the observers that were in the country. You cannot win by force if the Gambian voters vote against your favour. This is what you have to accept. You sound like Pa Nderry, when you want people to belive in your untrue stories. Remember time will tell. Living in Europe does not mean that you are the one to decide for Africa. Those who are there and experiencing things have the right to decide, not you who fled the country. I belive in the Gambian voters and their decission. You people can say what ever you want , but the results cannot vbe changed because of you Gambians in the diaspora. You have to go back and register as voters if you want your vote to be counted.
Alhasan. All what you wrote are FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ME. I didn't comment to challenge the VERDICT OR REJECT DEFEAT.
My advice as extracted from above which am reiterating was:
"Read the following and your consciences will beat you on FALSE ALLEGATIONS, TO SOME EXTENT TRUTHS, FACTS AND REALITY.
Gambia: Jammeh 'Won', But the Writing Was on the Wall for Opposition under
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610060031.html
YOU WANT MORE VICTIMISATION, TERROR AND HYPOCRISY TO CONTINUE.
Compare with our neighbours also ‘Rewmi’ Divides the Country
under http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines1268.htm
Thats ARICAN POLITICS!!!"
These articles are for your own consumption, analyse to yourself, deduce and appreciate any SENSIBLE THING FROM THEM. Of course depending on your level of political maturity, sensibilities and objectivity or biased. It is HYPOCRITICAL to brand me sound as Pa Nderry and all your FALSE ALLEGATIONS are geared to create enemies for me. ALLAH IS THE BEST JUDGE!
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 01:38:55
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by kobo
Gambia: UN Envoy Says Recent Elections Were Free But Democracy Needs Support under
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610070026.html
MAIN POINT EXTRACTED ABOVE LINK:
Some opposition presidential candidates have accused the Gambian Government of manipulation during the election campaign, but Gen. Abubakr downplayed those reports and said any inappropriate actions were minor and did not affect the ultimate result.
"There have been a lot of allegations or reports which were over-exaggerated," he said, noting that independent election observers considered the polling to be largely free and fair and without any foreign interference.
But Gen. Abubakr said voter education was poor and all political parties, especially those in opposition, need help with capacity-building. He also stressed the importance of better training of the media, which he described as "ill-equipped and ill-trained."
The envoy called on the UN to increase its support of the Gambia's democratic institutions and noted that the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) is examining programmes to boost media training in the Gambia.
In my opinion some of our reservations are geared to addressed institutions and capacity building, systems development, political management of state affairs, attitudinal changes but not any subversive actions against the state to warrant tragedic comparison with Sierra Leone, Ruwanda, Sudan etc or to create enemity with the incumbent leader, certain state machinations and agencies. Why pleaing for Duta Kassama and left other victims fates crushed politically by the current system. It could be considered as double standards and I must observed that the rules have changed in this Bantaba forum under the present climate. Anything you post to expressed your opinions on the political systems and state affairs is totally against the subscriber as they see you as enemy against so and so and the NEXT TARGETED VICTIM! Its becoming really difficult to exchange ideas and opinions under present cicumstances. Think about that also!
Its just 2all Gammbians!
God bless the Gambia!
PEACE!
Kobo,
Your posting shows that you your selr did not say the truthh The observers did not point out anybody as faulty of freud as some of the opposition said. All you said was the elections were not fare and I said the Gambians voted for their choice. When it comes to Gambian poliotics, I am less intrested becaues of the fact that most of you are tribal minded. You vote because the candidate belongs to the same language group. I am not like that. This is your problem with me. I do not belive in tribalism, and mostly what I hese is Jammeh is a Jola and we shall not vote for the Jolas. This is your main problem. Rome was not build in a day. Moreover you Gambians in the diaspora cannot dictate what takes place in the Gambia. In fact most of the artickles posted by some of you against the Gambian leader is untrue. This is the problem. Try to post facts and stop giving your country a bad name. Most of you looking for visas and staying permits seem to give your country a nasty name in other to be accepted as a refugee in the US or Europe. Stop this right away. This is why anybody who speaks possitive about Gambia is said to be APRC. This is nonsense.
Alhasan once again all your comments are FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ME. If you are reacting to quotes extracted, please don't highlight anything not within quotes originally posted. You have not seen any comment that I made on TRIBALISM or degrading Jola under above quotes. Gambian politics covers wide range of issues that concerns its CITIZENS and through this forum we are sharing the resources for FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, CONSCIENCE AND OUR BELIEFS OR OPINIONS on them. Bantaba is just a discussion, exchange and debate forum and we cannot dictate anything. Perhaps a CIVICS EDUCATION PROGRAM can help and would later produce an adopted version or syllabus for Bantaba. Hope its clear to you.
Be FAIR WITH YOURSELF AND ME and don't put words in my mouth and stop your FALSE ACCUSATIONS please. |
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Ebra
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 03:19:33
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One thing am certain of is that KOBO has been advocating for people to refrain from tribalism. I have to applaud Kobo for the initiatives he took in enlightening people like me. For my part you are wonderful with your presentations of facts and you always call for unity.
Kobo continue the good work you are doing, though some will not agree with you, but thats humanity. |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 10:15:55
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I Real wish to aid more to your sincere fully letters but there is nothing for more dearly to put on. Your real get the point.
Democracy is not just going to polling stations but the meaning of going there, that is the point. I personal see no much different of African democracy and the west. To the fact west has never had a democracy. As I said that the freedom of speech has in root little to do freedom of man! And who are/is free?
We must be carefully of not falling in the dark side of the sun for not knowing what democracy is because western democracy-system. Every man of us has right to defend his/her democracy!
Peace.
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Democracy today: is it a fighting for political gains or of religions?
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Originally posted by Ebra
Gambiabev, if there is no democracy in the Gambia you will never step your foot there. Britian is the most undemocractic state in the whole world. How can Queen, Prince and the royal family be better than the hard working people. The royal family having special priviledges over the entire nation, you call that democracy.
Gambiabev said "All the good things done by the President are cancelled out by the terrible, corrupt, undemocratic way he treats his own people. The use of the police and security services AGAINST their own people is despicable. The imprisonment and torture of people without trial is terrible".
Can you back/substantiate on your these statements. This is about Gambian issue and no pinto white elephant lady will dictate us what to do. Britian our former colonial master has done nothing absolutely to our state, violating the so call democracy (freedom of movement) but only to use us and denying our youths to enter their country in search of greener pastor. Greedy British. You always oppose Gambians to live in UK empahisizing of over staying, and wanted to talk about our national affairs. Did you remember the sick lady who was forcefully deported to Gambia sometimes ago. Thats British democracy.
How many Iraqi civilian are dying because of the US/UK intervention. The British soldier dying on the battle field never sign up to fight at foreign countries. They did sign up to defend their own country. They are force to station there. Is that democracy. Shut the hell up and have a life.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 15:20:26
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Thanks Ebra and Mbay. Ideals of democracy sets up DEMOCRATIC STRUCTURES, INSTITUTIONS AND AGENTS to promotes FREEDOM of CHOICE (CONSCIENCE), ASSOCIATION AND EXPRESSIONS for EMPOWERMENT of peoples voice (Not ALL PEOPLES VOICE can be heard but MAJORITY carries the vote), to DICTATE AND COORDINATE its ACTIVITIES to RUN OR IMPROVE WELFARE OF SOCIETY. DICTATORSHIP OR AUTOCRACY usually perpetuated by a MINORITY counters democracy; as it deprives its society (people) LACK OF FREEDOM, AUTORITARIAN RULE, MIS-RULE, INJUSTICES AND ENSLAVEMENT of the majority. The MOST IMPORTANT INSTITUTION in a democracy is THE ROLE OF A GOVERNMENT ELECT ENTRUSTED TO RUN THE AFFAIRS OF THE STATE to serve the needs or welfare of its society.
INDIA is given the BEACON of democracy, US land of FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHTS and of course BRITISH democracy is WELL RESPECTED. These are EXAGGERATIONS but some extent are well GEARED WORKING democracies for FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHTS! However there is no such political atmosphere without QUESTION MARKS in the world and democracy varies from country to country.
Addressing those QUESTIONS MARKS are manifested in MANY WAYS ranging from PUBLIC SPEECHES, PETITIONS, PROTESTS, PEACEFUL DEMOSTRATIONS and use of ANY MEDIUM OF COMMUNICATION to make your voice heard and to CHALLENGE your authorities TO LISTEN TO YOU and help improve WELFARE, PEACE AND STABILITY! THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
These are the challenges amongst others for our country and the current government to LISTEN to our CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS and work with us to FURTHER DEVELOPE THE GAMBIA AND THE CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRACY as we move in the 21st century. Its not about point scoring, discrediting the efforts of current regime but there are rooms for CAPACITY BUILDING throughout the WHOLE ARMS OF GOVERNMENT (BOTH EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE), OUR POLITICAL STRUCTURES AND INSTITUTIONS, JUSTICE SYSTEMS, SECURITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS. A "YESMEN" House of Representatives does not help a democracy. Generally there are DECRIES of LACK OF ETHICS AND UNPROFESSIONAL ATTITUDES exercised or not??? If they are meted against your own fellow CITIZENS by the Police, Security Agencies, by some corrupt Judges or a corrupt Justice system, am appealling for RECTIFICATIONS OF THE SYSTEM?  CUSTODIAN OF THE RULE OF LAW, ORDER AND JUSTICE is the bedrock of a good or ideal democracy. Both the EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE hplay vital roles for STEWARDSHIP AND PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE NATION'S ASSETS in our own democracy.
In simple terms or typically; ARRESTS AND DETENTIONS should not be politically motivated or done with INTIMIDATION, HARASSMENT OR TERRORISE but should be conducted in a very professional manner (WITHOUT ANY ABDUCTION, ARBITARY ARRESTS,ILLEGAL DETENTIONS OR TORTURE) as it does not help norture an IDEAL WORKABLE DEMOCRACY FOR ITS CITIZENS. Some of my tips are as follows:
- START by understanding and basically The LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION, CITIZENSHIP, RESPECT FOR HUMNA DIGNITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS.
- Routine surveillance to curb crimes according to Law enforcement professional traing acquired already.
- If a crime is commited mobilised the resources and logistics at crime scenes according to professional training acquired already.
- Before ARREST make sure there is AN ARREST WARRANT, intrduction of yourself and deal with the arrest mission according to Police professional training.
- Listening and gathering of statements and EVIDENCES.
- Rely on VALID EVIDENCES for further INVESTIGATION AND IF NECESSARY PROSECUTION.
- APPEARANCE in court (Both Defendant Vs Complaintnant vis a vis Prosecution and Defence Lawyers)
- JUSTICE under The LAW AND CONSTITUTION "WITHOUT FEAR AND FAVOUR" by a QUALIFIED, INDEPENDENT JUDGE WITH GOOD INTEGRITY.
- Provide suitable conditions for the GUILTY AND PRISONERS by considering HUMANITY and RESPECT FOR THEIR CITIZENSHIP.
All the above scenarios or stages should be handle by well trained professional team of Gambians to serve conscientiously the NATION (National Interests) and eliminate Gambia from all forms of corruption for the 21st century I hope. CORRUPTION HAS A VERY WIDE DEFINITION and is BEST DEFINED BY UNITED STATES. Politics of DECEPTION should be history for the NEW ERA and we should continue to set the TASKS AND CHALLENGES for the current government to continue MORE DEVELOPMENT IN ALL SECTORS, attitudes and approaches by the governed and those governing. Modernisation goes with civilisation. Even if Gambia is considered as one of the least developed countries lets fight to move from a crude, poverty stricken, backward or underdevoped society towards a much better civilised society than we are in any given ERA towards the 21st century. THE UNIVERSITY OF THE GAMBIA is a FACTORY for all the PRODUCTS we need for a viable GAMBIAN DEMOCRACY.
God bless the Gambia!
PEACE 2 all Gambians!
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Cornelius
Sweden
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 21:14:20
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Originally posted by Janyanfarasister serenata,
why are you?I think this is a free society and people are entitled to their opinion?Would you tell please my dear sister wether you are living in a real democratic and free society world?If there should be no political prisoners in it,well tell: Mubarac[EGYPT],Musaraf[PAKISTAN],Vladiamin Putin[RUSIA], Wu Gin Tau[COMINIST CHINA],Emperor George.W.Bush[UNITED STATE EMPIRE],King Blair[UNITED KINGDOM], Murderer E l Bashir [KILLING FIELD OF SUDAN] .Just to name a few and all African leaders.
My dear sister you may or may not know me.But these are my beliefs:
(1)"Those who turture and get turture in return may never learn from their mistakes"
(2)"When the cock crows late into the night,even the thief know that dawn is near,"
(3)"One who sleeps and can hardly keep awake inthe night,should not apply to become a night watchman,"
(4)"How ever ugly a dog might be,you can always tell the whiteness of its teeth,"
"One who flinches,shrinks or winces is always thought to have a psychoanalysis mind"
Raeding the above and having a thought about them,would tell you why I said what I say sometimes.My dear sister be thoughtful 4 your brother Janyanfara is alway aware of what others think.But thats the beauty of it all.
peace,
Janyanfara
Dear brother Janyanfara, sorry for my late reply, I was very busy the past days (and still am). You mentioned some very nice examples of leaders who could be called predators of freedom and humanity. And I don't think it should be the aim of any political leader to be counted among them if he wants to keep his good reputation.
I am living in a democracy which is far from being perfect - like most political systems are. But some basic rules are kept in my country. One is that nobody should be imprisoned for his/her political opinion. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 21:59:46
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Originally posted by mbay
I Real wish to aid more to your sincere fully letters but there is nothing for more dearly to put on. Your real get the point.
Democracy is not just going to polling stations but the meaning of going there, that is the point. I personal see no much different of African democracy and the west. To the fact west has never had a democracy. As I said that the freedom of speech has in root little to do freedom of man! And who are/is free?
We must be carefully of not falling in the dark side of the sun for not knowing what democracy is because western democracy-system. Every man of us has right to defend his/her democracy!
Peace.
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Democracy today: is it a fighting for political gains or of religions?
Mbay
Well only free people can have freedom of speech. So to say that freedom of speech has nothing to do with freedom of man is to ignore reality.
Like Nelson Mandela said in a letter from prison read out at an ANC rally by his daughter Zinzie that ".. ..only free people can negotiate..". This was at a time when it was rumored that Mandela was entering into negotiations whilst in prison without the knowledge of the ANC Party. He wrote this letter denying that he was negotiating. The rumor was meant to sideline Mandela and deny him a hero’s welcome as plans were advanced to release him. He further went saying "…. my freedom is inseparable from yours..."
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 15:50:27
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| That is very True "ONLY FREE PEOPLE CAN NEGOTIATE".Mbye give peace a chance. |
There is no god but Allah |
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lavaground
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 17:26:03
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| Bro, mbai you are living in Germany or not?Have you ever heard of anyone being imprisoned for voicing their opinion in Germany.This part of western democracy is what we Africans need. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 00:54:54
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No levaground,
Ee need African Democracy.Its the best kind of democracy and all democracies derrieves from it. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 18:21:21
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
No levaground,
Ee need African Democracy.Its the best kind of democracy and all democracies derrieves from it.
What is africn democracy? |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2006 : 16:09:48
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African democracy is caring for each other,knowing your position within the age grouping and respect those above you.
There is many more but don't have time .Am sorry |
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