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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 08:36:13
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Yesterday was a difficult day in Uk. One year on from the bombings in London the grief was still very raw. There were lots of personal accounts on the news and reports from the various acts of remembrance. I feel very tired this morning from all the crying I did yesterday.
The most emotional thing was the role call of all the names of the dead. On the Tv screen they showed their pictures. People of all classes, colour, religion, country, age.
The 2 minutes silence was observed around the country. My mum was in Leicester market for the silence. It is usually full of people and noise. She said you could hear a pin drop.
Some of the bombers lived in Leeds, 20 minutes from where I live. The security police say the threat is still there. Home grown Muslim terrorists. They are from ordinary, decent, hardworking families who were as shocked as anyone to realise it was their sons that had done these terrible things.
The question is how do we make sure it doesnt happen again? How do we stop the brainwashing that makes these young men think they are doing this in Allahs name? Where does the anger come from to make them so violent and what can we do to prevent that?
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jambo
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 11:43:46
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it was spooky in london yesterday, it was a time for reflection, i was near st pauls on the day of the bombing,it was all celebrations london had won the olympic bid ( thats another topic) and this happens. Time and life are precious, why do they do this they are being manipulated. They were educated, had access to the internet and could make judgements for themselves. It is all about control. it will not stop. when i read about this and nuclear bombs being set off, makes me want to pack up and go and live near one of my families in nuimi. Modern world indeed |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 17:17:45
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Originally posted by jambo
when i read about this and nuclear bombs being set off, makes me want to pack up and go and live near one of my families in nuimi. Modern world indeed
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 19:08:15
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Where have nuclear bombs been set off? Have I missed something?
At the risk of stating the tired old bleedin obvious, there is no simple solution. However, America looking again at it's arrogant, selfish and blinkered foreign policy forms a large part of it. For example, did you know that the 'Christian' Right Government has withdrawn all funding for womens' clinics in the developing world that offer abortion. Whatever your views on abortion are, there are always circumstances where it's a necessary option. But no, America has withdrawn all foreign aid given to clinics that offer contraception, family planning advice and general women's healthcare if they also offer abortion. And that's just one very small example of the breathtaking arrogance with which they stamp their views onto the rest of the world. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 20:15:05
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| They have also murdered abortion doctors in usa. Where is the logic in that?? They should keep their cranky extreme views to themselves!!! (so says liberal democratic bev!!LOL!) Seriously the christian right in american politics are too powerful. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 22:23:14
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| Sorry to sound heartless here but while I feel for those who lost loved ones in the London bombings, the number of people who died is hardly a drop in the ocean compared to the number of Africans who die each week through HIV aids, starvation, civil wars, malaria, etc. Do we cry for them? Do we hold a 2 minute silence for them? |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 22:32:46
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Suicide bombings is a whole different level......
Deliberately going out to kill as many innocent people as possible. It is the most awful of crimes. That is why we must remember and NEVER forget: mans inhumanity to man.
The numbers game is meaningless. Every life unnecesarily lost is a tragedy, whether to a bomber or hiv or malaria. The shocking thing about 7.7 is that ALL of those deaths were inflicted by one human on another in the name of ALLAH. They were all preventable. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 22:36:13
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| Me Me I dont hold a 2 minutes silence, but inside I do weep for them. yes. I never forget them. |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 00:11:38
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I don’t believe you should connect the evil acts of individuals with religion.
A mosque close by to the atrocity opened on the day of the bombings as a walk-in centre for victims that included men & women from nineteen countries.
Timothy McVeigh was responsible for the Oklahoma bombing in 1995 killing 168 people/children & injuring 800 – who might you refer that to be in the name of??
regards,
Remembering those innocent people who were killed or injured.
sab.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 00:20:32
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They clearly stated they were doing it in the name of ALLAH.
But of course they were misguided. The question is WHO pulled their strings and prepared them for such a terrible act. The suggestion is it was the islamic schools in pakistan.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 02:00:17
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| It was a sombre occasion to commemorate evil deeds done in guise of Islam and misguided acts in politics but Islam condemns such barbaric acts. Islam is a religion of PEACE and thats why its called Islam. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 09:01:29
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Yes, I agree. Islam is a peaceful religion when practised correctly.
Muslims were victims on 7/7 too.
The question that needs addressing is what is happening in the religious schools in pakistan to produce such a change in these young men? Clearly they are being politicised and indoctrinated. In Christianity there are cults, mainly in USA, that produce a similar result. It is a type of brain washing.
One of the reasons I am not keen on religions in general is because of all the wars and violence that have been done in GODS name. Everyone thinks he is on their side!!  |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 09:37:18
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7/7 is a typical terrorist act likewise others including the Palestine / Israel conflict, Afghanistan, Irag etc., which are manifestations of politics and religion. Every day is a kind of 7/7 and we are witnessing genocide and crimes against humanity, the political leaders adopting the wrong policies and strategies to curb and deal with terrorism with many serious menaces and lost of innocent lives. As 7/7 is remembered you can see that whats "hot" on the world politics headlines is GAZA CRISES and Israel who suffered genocide commiting mass murders, engaging in acts of terrosrim and genocide thinking revenge is the best policy or for unjustifiable reasons 7/7 anniversary should be time of reflections of the positive aspect in the spirit of reconciliation, learn from those misguided actions and give the victims familes solace and moral support on what happened. FAITH IN GOD MAKES YOU TO BE INCLINED TO FORGIVE OR BEAR THE HARDSHIP AND CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND YOUR CONTROL AS YOU SEEK SOLACE IN THE GOD YOU BELIEVE TO REVITALIZE YOURSELF. One of the victim's mother (a Nigerian) declared to leave everything with GOD for loosing his only son on that faithful tragedic day and can only say "I forgive them as that is the only way my mind is free". Eliminating that grudge made her a well spirited person and getting along with her normal live. Sometimes trying to find the answers or causes eventually leads to misdirections, pointing at fingers to the country, wrong place, person or religion and / or orther further conflicts between politics and religion Only a few are being misguided but their barbaric acts has a serious impact against society.
Some cults are about SATANISM and conflicts with certain religious practices and doctrines. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 10:08:07
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| I saw the interview with the Nigerian lady who lost her son. She was very brave and forgiving. Forgiveness is a very powerful and strong thng to do. It is also better for her recovery. Through forgiveness there is a way forward in life, instead of being stuck with hate abd anger. But it is exceptional people that can manage to do that. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 11:08:00
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Originally posted by gambiabev
I saw the interview with the Nigerian lady who lost her son. She was very brave and forgiving. Forgiveness is a very powerful and strong thng to do. It is also better for her recovery. Through forgiveness there is a way forward in life, instead of being stuck with hate abd anger. But it is exceptional people that can manage to do that.
Thnak you. However politicising past barbaric acts sometimes doen't help. THIS WORLD WOULD BE NEVER HEALED FOR GLOBAL PEACE so long; as every year there are elite political commemorations of World warII, allied nations and non-allied, Autzswich day for the Jews, 9/11, 7/7 and other terror world events. See you later am off! |
Edited by - kobo on 09 Jul 2006 11:09:00 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 13:58:57
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| I disagree. It is very important that we dont forget and show respect to the dead. But times do move on. Germany and uk are now both in eu. Politics changes, but we shouldnt forget the awful thngs man is capable of. |
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