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sab
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 15:56:58
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British citizens who marry foreigners will have to earn at least £20,000 a year if they want to set up their family home in the UK under a new immigration clampdown.
The planned changes mean lower-paid Britons would be forced to emigrate if they wanted to live with a loved one from overseas.
And if the foreign-born spouse had children, their British partner would have to earn £30,000 or more, depending on how many
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156993/New-law-demands-20-000-salary-marry-foreigner.html
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 17:29:29
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Thanks for having the foresight to post this,it is really time that immigration into the UK was dealt with effectively, migrants arriving from ANYWHERE must be able to support themselves and their FAMILIES without resorting to BENEFITS handed out by the state,it is frankly stupid to expect taxpayers to fund those migrants capable of work but NOT WISHING to work to enjoy such facilities when they have paid NOTHING into the tax system that funds the benefits,the UK is broke money is not there anymore, we have overspent for years,now, the Banking greed scandal ,The Euro farce,the worldwide recession,and the general slowing down of major economies,time to get real, the good times are over for MANY people and this is just one consequence,instead of UK politicians whittering on and on talking and talking, commissions on this and that about problems at last they have realised that ACTION AND RESPONSIBILITY MUST BE TAKEN NOW.
One of the comments in Sab's provided link highlights the concerns of very many residents in the UK.
"Sounds good to me and I married a foreigner!" - James, Camden, 10/6/2012 10:01 It doesn't to me and I also married a foreigner - while I earn more than the proposed new limit it simply is not right to base it on earnings, it is as many people have said really simple to do it 'right' all they need to do is to make it a rule that NO BENEFITS are paid to anyone who has not paid UK tax for x (5?) years. The problem is NOT how much families of prospective immigrants earn it's how easy it is to get benefits & this proposed rule will only hurt those trying to 'do it right' it'll have no effect on those coming in under trucks without Visa's, or those from EU countries and these are where the problem is - not Brits marrying foreigners. The 'no benefits rule' will stop those coming purely for benefits, the proposed rule won't."
Stephen, Esh Winning, 10/6/2012 12:30
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 18:58:41
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Toubab I believe the new proposed law to be very hypocritical
due to the farsical European rules for Eastern European workers.
With regards to bringing over your children if you obtain indefinate leave, or citizenship, well that also is a hard path - not like you can collect them up as extra baggage & arrive at Gatwick as often comes to your ear or read - http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/partners-families/citizens-settled/children/
Now back to the links re european persons;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8052738/Row-over-child-benefit-for-East-Europeans.html
We all know about the Eastern European workers with families living in Poland especially, who get child benefits paid.
Their anger will be compounded by new figures, which show that the benefit is being used to support nearly 29,000 children living in Poland, along with thousands of children elsewhere in Eastern Europe.
Under EU rules, child benefit is paid to parents who work and pay tax in the UK and whose children have stayed in their home countries.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/pressReleases/01-April-2012#318
‘It is entirely understandable that East Europeans should want to improve their standard of living and make money which they can send home. It is also clear that many of them are valued for their strong work ethic,’ said Sir Andrew Green, Migration Watch UK chairman.
‘That said, it was a very serious mistake to extend full access to our benefit system to nationals of member states where the standard of living is only about one third of ours. In fairness to the hard pressed British taxpayer, this must be changed. We even pay child benefit at British rates to children who have never set foot in this country.
‘The whole EU benefit regime must be renegotiated otherwise there is a clear risk that the number of East European migrants coming to seek work in Britain will shoot up placing even greater strain on our public services and putting the government’s immigration objectives at considerable risk’, said Sir Andrew.
http://www.welshresistance.org.uk/news/159-p42m-child-benefit-sent-abroad.html
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 22:07:29
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Sab, I accept all that you point out ,as far as MOST of the UK taxpayers are concerned RULES should apply to ALL MIGRANTS FROM ALL COUNTRIES (Australia has the right idea, a quota system for migrants and only if you are coming to a job that the country needs.) even if they are in the EU,it is really time that the UK Government gave THE PEOPLE of the UK a say in a simple YES OR NO referendum ( not a cleverly put together multiple choice vote !) as to if the UK should say in the EU or leave.
NO GOVERNMENT has had the guts to let a vote take place because they all know that there will be no more gravy train for politicians at the expense of the peoples of the EU, the whole Political ramshackle movement that has slithered into the forefront of the UK has been a disaster for the people,sorry.
What will happen will there be a SIMPLE yes or no vote ever, I really doubt that.
The whole hypocrisy of so many things these days makes me really fume,honesty,common sense, these phrases are politically not acceptable these days !!!!!   ........ and so on.................. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 23:47:57
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DOES THIS MAKES SENSE AS A SOLUTION, AS QUOTED;
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"A JUST and FAIR distribution of the World's resources is the ONLY SOLUTION to migration...exploitation, Looting 'poor ' nations resources by tricks ( unfair trade), wars (casualty of wars, WMDs & arms race), double standards (one rule for one and another rule for others foreign policies, selective justices & world domination), DISCRIMINATION (PREJUDICE) and ignoring POVERTY ERADICATION amongst other political issues; must stop"
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Jun 2012 : 00:15:37
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KOBO,in an ideal world your quote (no source given ?) does make sense, the unfortunate thing is that ours is NOT an ideal world,there will always be those who have and those who have not,there will also be leaders and followers,there will be also greed, injustice, disease,disability,ungodliness,disaster,and yes poverty,so in today's world it does not make sense.
I take it that you believe that free benefits should be given to anyone who is prepared to travel to any country where they are freely available? Just as such benefits are here in the UK and the UK population should be very happy to fund this? Have I got your thoughts wrong ,if so, I will follow Janko's way and ask you to explain.Thanks. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2012 : 13:38:37
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Toubab. Yes no ideal world and good reactions. It was my idea (for source) which Was just a bit cheeky but immigration issues are very complex to tackle. However United Kingdom and British welfare system being best is definitely suffering rampant abuse and exploitation; resulting in such drastic measures 
NO ONE SHOULD BLAME THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT BUT FLOODGATES OF IMMIGRANTS, CONFLICTS (TERRORISM) AND EU LAWS
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Edited by - kobo on 11 Jun 2012 13:58:05 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Jun 2012 : 14:21:53
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KOBO. you are naughty you are the source ,still never mind, I suppose that you didn' t want to get "Jankoed" by giving your own opinion ,which may of course be the opposite of the opinion of others  .
I totally agree with all that you have written in this post.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2012 : 15:12:19
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/08/immigration-rules-couples-stark-choice
Please, take no offence - but people take off your blinkers - you have been brainwashed with the word 'benefits'
I'm off on some travel's very soon, but will be catching up asap. |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
Edited by - sab on 11 Jun 2012 16:26:15 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2012 : 16:31:59
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Sab. What you you mean on your comment "brainwashed with the word 'Benefits'"
I have also heard of 'Scroungers' to demotivate lazy to work amongst those left with no choice to seek state welfare benefits due to unemployment, deprivation, needy and destitution
'WELFARE' IS ALL ABOUT; "to improve living conditions, increase job opportunities, secure hospitalization, basic human rights, and the like, for needy persons within its jurisdiction." AN ARRAY OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND STATE BURDEN |
Edited by - kobo on 11 Jun 2012 16:46:32 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Jun 2012 : 16:46:10
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Sab,you realise that immigration to the UK has been abused,we are talking about families in the latest media and political hot topic,definition of "family",unsurprisingly, there seem to be many, a real money spinner for lawyers,here is just one:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/family
So we can be talking about a great many people (children entitled to benefits, disabled entitled to benefits,old people entitled to benefits (state pension) low income earners, job seekers, and probably many more categories.I refer you Sab to my previous thoughts.
Have a great time travelling and enjoy yourself , you never know you might meet snuggles somewhere, he is a gobetrotter
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2012 : 12:29:11
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KIBAARO NEWS WITH EDITOR LAWYER YANKS DARBO;
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2012 : 13:13:01
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http://kibaaro.com/?p=1312#comment-837
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"So It is very important for any one intending to sponsor or marry someone from abroad to seek proper legal advise otherwise the odds againsts you are very high.
Immigration Law is becoming more and more specialist area so people must consider the costs now involve in making applications against the benet of a good legal advice."
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Sab,you realise that immigration to the UK has been abused,we are talking about families in the latest media and political hot topic,definition of "family",unsurprisingly, there seem to be many, a real money spinner for lawyers,here is just one:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/family
So we can be talking about a great many people (children entitled to benefits, disabled entitled to benefits,old people entitled to benefits (state pension) low income earners, job seekers, and probably many more categories.I refer you Sab to my previous thoughts.
Have a great time travelling and enjoy yourself , you never know you might meet snuggles somewhere, he is a gobetrotter
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 15 Jun 2012 : 14:54:19
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UKBA staff 'unfairly rejecting' African visas, report finds
15 June 2012
 UK Border Agency staff processing visa applications from Africa are "acting unfairly" and wrongly refusing entry to the UK, an independent report claims.
Chief inspector to the UKBA, John Vine, said many visas were incorrectly rejected after employees "disregarded or misinterpreted" evidence.
Some applicants were being refused for failing to provide information that had not been originally requested, he said.
Read Full Story
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Jun 2012 : 17:24:10
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"Chief inspector to the UKBA, John Vine, said many visas were incorrectly rejected after employees "disregarded or misinterpreted" evidence.
Some applicants were being refused for failing to provide information that had not been originally requested, he said."
This is hardly surprising, I have a certain amount of sympathy with the UKBA employees who are tasked with dealing with these applications,firstly mistakes will happen,secondly, at one time rules changed very often, as human memory is not infallible mistakes are bound to happen,thirdly yet another case of politicians failing to deal with EFFECTIVELY for many years ,a problem with a situation that had got totally out of hand so much so that it was the tail which was wagging the dog and not the other way around as it should be,in other words politicians looking after their votes first and foremost instead of that which was in the interests of the economic health of the whole country.
I am very happy that the UK is a fair country and is ready to publish details of an enquiry that shows mistakes were made.
Archive Ref:http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/
Current info:http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/ |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 17:06:46
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THE DAILY NEWS;
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Edited by - kobo on 25 Jun 2012 17:07:11 |
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