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njucks
Gambia
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 Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 19:36:50
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not Brikama but Pirang. remember the MD of Gamtel. ok ok Njie can be whatever you want. but you are right everything is just melting.
i was told in Mamburay household the females sometimes take Jarju as surname and Jamba for Singhateh, Damba for Sissoho. the others i can't remember now thats why i asked
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 19:38:51
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Originally posted by njucks
not Brikama but Pirang. remember the MD of Gamtel. ok ok Njie can be whatever you want. but you are right everything is just melting.
i was told in Mamburay household the females sometimes take Jarju as surname and Jamba for Singhateh, Damba for Sissoho. the others i can't remember now thats why i asked
They live in Brikama not Pirang just by the Bakery adjacent to the Castle Gas station |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 19:44:18
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| what!! he is from Faraba or Pirang. where you live is something else. what matters is where you are from. lately you seem to be loosing you knowledge of Gambia. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 19:50:56
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OK, who can tell me anything about the surname WADDA is that only Senagalese or is there a bit of Gambian and what tribe what region do they come from ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 19:59:28
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| in the gambia it is wollof and as widespread and distributed as the other wollof surnames. the president of senegal is also Wadda they just spell it differently just as they spell Secka differently.i wouldn't be surprised if liek all other you find it in other groups |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:03:05
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Originally posted by njucks
what!! he is from Faraba or Pirang. where you live is something else. what matters is where you are from. lately you seem to be loosing you knowledge of Gambia.
He can only be from one place. You seem lost and doubting if he was from Faraba or Pirang. I know for sure that he lives in Brikama. The family home is just by the market adjacent to the Castle Gas statation, the elder brother owns the Gas station just around the college, who lives in Brikama Nema, and the MD lives just behind Waa Juwara's home. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:03:09
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My understanding of Njie is that orginally they were Tukolors from Fouta Toro who settled amongst the Wolofs. Njie meaning Lion and the Tukulor warriors were known as Njie for their bravery. The name Njie is older than the Wolof kingdom which sprung up in the !9th Century. As time went on many Njie's lost the Fula language and adopted Wolof because the language was not popular in the areas they had settled. Therefore second and third generations adopted wollof language and lost their Fula language, a good example is that of Dakar. Where outward migration from Futa Toro of Njie, Jobe, Gai,Mboge,and Sey who settled in Dakar and Banjul are now classed as Wolofs. But they can trace back their heritage to Fouta Toro where these families names still exist and have been there for generations. The same senario applies to Jobe, Njie, and Sey Mandinkas. My source is a Njie.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:07:21
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
My understanding of Njie is that orginally they were Tukolors from Fouta Toro who settled amongst the Wolofs. Njie meaning Lion and the Tukulor warriors were known as Njie for their bravery. The name Njie is older than the Wolof kingdom which sprung up in the !9th Century. As time went on many Njie's lost the Fula language and adopted Wolof because the language was not popular in the areas they had settled. Therefore second and third generations adopted wollof language and lost their Fula language, a good example is that of Dakar. Where outward migration from Futa Toro of Njie, Jobe, Gai,Mboge,and Sey who settled in Dakar and Banjul are now classed as Wolofs. But they can trace back their heritage to Fouta Toro where these families names still exist and have been there for generations. The same senario applies to Jobe, Njie, and Sey Mandinkas. My source is a Njie.
Peace
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Your souce is very right. There are many who calim to be wollof but are not. Njie is Tukulor origins just like Seringe Bamaba. If you go to Touba in Senegal today, they cannot speak Fulani and the same goes for the house of the Sey marabouts.
Njie is not manadinka and NO LAST NAME IS THESAME. THEY JUST ASSIMILATED AS A MINORITY TO FIT IN. THE NJIE/JATTA, JOBE/TRAWALLY AND RECENTLY JALLOW/WOLLOFS ARE JUST MYTHS AND HAVE NO FOUNDATION. MIGRATION LED TO THE CONFUSION BUT THEY ARE WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEEN.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:09:56
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your source is absolutley right. infact in senegal if you ask they will tell you that Wollof is the result of mixture/marriage of Tukuleur and Serer. where anyone of these is absent you will not find wollof geographically.
njie is older that is why i was trying to emphasise that its more to do with migration and where you settle that based on a formula.
for example the southern branch of the Serer as called Gelewar. this in mandinka is called Nyancho. hence when Mandinka or Jola say Sanneh or Manneh, the Serer or Wollof will say Jobe. its all the same changed only by migration.
todaymost people who are born in Banjul just pass as wollof because it is the main language of trade in the capital. over time everyone will become wollof in Banjul.
kondorong i dont understand your insistance that Njie is not Mandinka. what is Mandinka, then. please give me a typical mandinka surname that you dont find in other groups??
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:25:47
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| You may find them in other tribes but that does not make them that tribe. It is because we have lost our identity period. Infact your insistence that it is not where you live but where you came from confirms my statement that Last names are very different and Njie is not mandinka. Just because there are a few Njie mandinkas does not make them one. Njie is tukulor and nothing else. Overtime tuculors settled in Wolof ares and became wollof and others settled in Mandinka areeas and became Mandinka. However they are still Fulani as the Fulas say MBOURU FOF KO FORINGE. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:28:00
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Kondorong,Yes that's true and the thread runs deeper because in the West the assimilations of other African ethnic groups has been going on for centuries with the greatest forced migration in history the transatlantic slave trade. In time what may happen is that the only common denominator that will exist amongst ethnic Groups of Africa is that we are African making way for unity possible. What do you think?
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:34:03
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Kondorong,Yes that's true and the thread runs deeper because in the West the assimilations of other African ethnic groups has been going on for centuries with the greatest forced migration in history the transatlantic slave trade. In time what may happen is that the only common denominator that will exist amongst ethnic Groups of Africa is that we are African making way for unity possible. What do you think?
Peace
Sister Omega
I hope your prayes are answered. We are assimilitaing fast and soon there will be no tribes. There are many in the Gambia who have no clue who they are other than being gambian. The stigma of marrying outside ones tribe is now history. Wolofs marry Fulani and Mandinko marry Balanta. However, if we are searching for origins,then Njie is real Tukulor and nothing else. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:40:11
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hahah ok mawdo you win. but i'm sure he is from Faraba. this is a Fact. just like the ex-president he has a house there thats all.
i guess we are all from the same source
i'm sure you speak fula , a typical fula saying is
neneh mogi baba mogi dinkanabunata |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:54:08
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Originally posted by njucks
your source is absolutley right. infact in senegal if you ask they will tell you that Wollof is the result of mixture/marriage of Tukuleur and Serer. where anyone of these is absent you will not find wollof geographically.
njie is older that is why i was trying to emphasise that its more to do with migration and where you settle that based on a formula.
for example the southern branch of the Serer as called Gelewar. this in mandinka is called Nyancho. hence when Mandinka or Jola say Sanneh or Manneh, the Serer or Wollof will say Jobe. its all the same changed only by migration.
todaymost people who are born in Banjul just pass as wollof because it is the main language of trade in the capital. over time everyone will become wollof in Banjul.
kondorong i dont understand your insistance that Njie is not Mandinka. what is Mandinka, then. please give me a typical mandinka surname that you dont find in other groups??
NYANCHO IS ANY ONE OF THE ROYAL LIEANEAGE OF Manding Empire who can trace his lineage through their mother. Only Nyanchos could be rulers. Those members of the royal family who can only trace their royal lineage through their father are called KORINGS. THEY CAN NEVER BE KINGS BUT PRINCES AND GOVERNORS IN THE MANDING EMPIRE. Sanneh and Manneh are Nyanchos whilst Sanyangs are Korings. Korings in many cases are appointed to high military positions in the manding Empire. Sanneh is not Jola but Mandinka.
There is good reason why in Manding maternal lineage is important. YOU COULD BE SURE OF WHO YOUR MOTHER IS, BUT YOU COULD NEVER BE SURE WHO YOUR FATHER IS. AND AS SUCH, TO KEEP THE ROYAL BLOOD INTACT, MOTHERS OR SISTERS CONTINUED TO BE THE GAUARDIAN OF THE LINEAGE. THERE WILL ALWYAS BE SOME ROYAL BLOOD THROUGH THE MOTHER. THIS WAS BEFORE DNA WAS DISCOVERED TO PROTECT "PURITY".
Sanneh and Manneh are two brothers who were approached by a Griots or a praise singer and asked for something from the. The brother who ended up giving him something was called SANNEH CORRUPTED FROM NSANI meaning i will give. The other who refused became MANNEH CORRUPTED FROM MAANI meaning i am not giving.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 20:58:01
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Originally posted by njucks
hahah ok mawdo you win. but i'm sure he is from Faraba. this is a Fact. just like the ex-president he has a house there thats all.
i guess we are all from the same source
i'm sure you speak fula , a typical fula saying is
neneh mogi baba mogi dinkanabunata
the correct fulani is
NENEH MOJI BABA MOJI BINGEL BONATA. Meaning when both parents are good the child will alwyas be good. However, the mANDINKAS would argue differently as SITO KA NGAYA WOOLU LEH. |
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