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kiwi

Sweden
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 :  14:36:01  Show Profile Send kiwi a Private Message
How is it that the Tunisians are now fleeing the country in great numbers, now that they have managed to chase away the hated and feared president Ben Ali? I would have thought that the population now had felt a glimmer of hope and felt free to begin rebuilding the country together

Or is freedom only an illusion - like "Ali" says
"there is no liberty, no democracy - it's still Ben Ali's old guard ruling the country".

http://euobserver.com/9/32026/?rk=1

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turk



USA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 :  18:42:48  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Kiwi

It is not about mr x or mr y! The real revolution is collective social change.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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kiwi

Sweden
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Posted - 28 Mar 2011 :  22:37:30  Show Profile Send kiwi a Private Message
Of course it is about Mr X and Mr Y. It does matter who rules the country. Ben Ali is gone but he should not be replaced by someone from his old management, they need younger forces with modern thinking.

I doŽn know what attitude change you ask for but the Tunisians are energetic people. There are many Tunisians in Stockholm and all are working, legally or illegally. Tunisia has a functioning education and several universities. But perhaps the focus on technical skills and less in public services or political science. As in most countries, youth unemployment is high and the fact that tourists now stay away causes unemployment, as many have their income in tourism. I have travelled around in Tunisia quite a lot and visited many cities, it is a beautiful and interesting country with a landscape that changes dramatically as one moves. Also Tunisia has its white and blue villages characteristic of the Mediterranean, white buildings with domes of Sousse and Monastir, palm trees heavy with bunches of dates, driving southwest leads one to a landscape that sparkles white in the sun - not of snow but dried salt. In the famous La Ghriba synagogue on the island of Djerba world's oldest Torah is kept.
Hungry and need lunch? You stop at a roadside restaurant and they quickly set the table with delicious meal on the roadside. One learn quickly ignore the smell from the heap of rubbish a few meters away.

Gambians living in Stockholm stow 40-foot containers from floor to roof keeping shipping companies busy. Tunisians drive from all over Europe and enter the ferry in Como in Italy with fully loaded vehicles. The smaller and older car, the bigger packing on the top of it. Those driving a BMW have no packing.




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turk



USA
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Posted - 28 Mar 2011 :  23:32:39  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Kiwi

Social engineering never works. Top-down approach usually does not work, unless we are talking about genius leaders like Mandela, Gandhi, Ataturk, Roosevelt, Washington, Lincoln. Nations get the government they deserve, it is not coincidence Tunisia has the recent leader.

If it was about Mr x and My y, the nations would change dramatically in 5-10 years. It takes generations for nations to develop. Look at the progressive nations in the world. It took slow change from the 15th century renaissance to industrial revolution for Europe to come today. It took more than 150 years Japan starting its reforms 19th century. Turkey is the only secular-democratic country in the world which has started revolution 88 years ago, still lacking democracy.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 28 Mar 2011 23:39:00
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