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turk
USA
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 Posted - 18 Jan 2011 : 23:40:45
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Originally posted by terangba
Turk you have answered your question in your prior postings. I think majority of Gambians are not educated enough to grasp the policies PDOIS is preaching, the party to me rigid and the first President did damaged the party by calling it Socialist Party and saying people were moving away from socialist ideas.
PDOIS as is not the answer. I fervently believe it will take a new breed of politicians to rescue Gambia.
Your point is taken. But there is no other alternative party at the moment. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Jan 2011 : 23:50:09
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Originally posted by Senegambia
Good inputs, dbaldeh. Lets hope that UDP gets over this soonest. However this is not only a UDP problem but a problem for democracy in our country where money and power stand firmer and higher that principles and conscience.
Senegambia, UDP has gotton over this even before it happened because they saw it coming. So clearly it wasn't a suprise. There are certain things I cannot say here but trust me; I am speaking an authoritative language. Rambo was a big potential but has not yet been made into the real thing. That makes the timing of his defection a relief for us because it would have been a massive blow if it had happened few months later.
In the UDP, once somebody is elected into a position by the congress, it becomes difficult to sack him. Neither the party leader nor the executive has the power to sack that individual but the central committee which comprises of the constituency Chairmen and women, and even in that case, the motion has to be supported by at least a two-third majority. This rule compounded the problem here a little bit despite being a good safeguard in its generality.
Personally, I think Rambo has screwed it up because his career AMBITIONS are better served with the UDP than the APRC.
Anyway, we respect his decision.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 19 Jan 2011 00:01:48 |
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Prince
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 00:32:52
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Sounds like a classic example of the "Stockholm syndrome".... when battered wives and broken men supplicate to their captors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
The opposition should probably put in a program to help their freed members deal with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
How else do you explain the actions of a man who spent ages brewing attaya at dog-azz detention centers saying, "can't beat them, join 'em?" |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 01:23:54
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Originally posted by Senegambia
Good inputs, dbaldeh. Lets hope that UDP gets over this soonest. However this is not only a UDP problem but a problem for democracy in our country where money and power stand firmer and higher that principles and conscience.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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somita
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 09:54:01
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Sometime a go, perhaps a week ago, I suggested that the opposition in the Gambia is dead ... now dont get me wrong, i did not see the Rambo incidence coming, that is a shocking surprise to me, however it paints a better picture on the state of the opposition in the Gambia. I know some people have sort to down play Rambo's significances, that is expected, as UDP will not like to throw the towel with the child .... but lets face it,it is pretty grim picture.
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Momodou
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 09:58:04
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Toubab is indeed right in a posting that "A week is a long time in politics".
Apart from "Stockholm syndrom" as noted by Prince, I don't know how else one can explain both Waa Juwara and Rambo's actions. Just a few months ago Rambo was quoted saying "No Retreat No Surrender" at a rally in Brikama. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 16:30:58
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Who Made Rambo a Strongman? Asked Darboe
“The UDP recognizes his defection to APRC as legitimate exercise of his right to choose his political affiliation, and we have absolutely no quarrel with that; and we respect his defection. What we want to say is, that is not usual in politics; that your closest ally tomorrow becomes your political foe the next day. Your greatest foe today becomes your greatest ally tomorrow”.
Darboe went on to say that Rambo’s defections “is not something extraordinary”, adding that Rambo is being described as a strongman, “but the question is, who made him strong?”
He pointed out that it was the electorate, and the UDP party that have given him the political clout that he has. “Those Yai Compins, the foot soldiers of the UDP in Bakau, are there. It is absolutely incorrect that his defection will shake UDP. Mr. Jatta has not castigated the way UDP is run, and he did not say that UDP is running wrong policies, and didn’t say UDP has wrong programs. In fact, what I had him say is that ‘if you can’t beat the system join it’, and that is a very pregnant question, and it just shows what focus he has.”
Great Respect for Rambo
“I have great respect for Rambo, and I will continue to treat him like a good person. I have nothing against him as a person. Just as I said, he has taken a decision he feels he should take, but it does not show the weakness of UDP.
“Rambo’s defection has nothing to do about UDP’s unflinching support from Bakau. If Lang Mai defects, then I start getting worries; if Sirra Saho defects, then I will start worrying; they are the ones who made Rambo what he is in the political field today.
No Worries
“The only worry is that the UDP has lost its vote.
“Yet I’m not sure whether Rambo will go to the ballot box, see my box and see that of Yahya Jammeh, reflect on what has happened to him, and vote for Yahya Jammeh. I still have my doubts whether he will vote for APRC.
“What I’m saying is that, if he entered the polling station and saw my ballot box and that of Yahya Jammeh, I doubt whether he will vote for Jammeh and the APRC, because he will quickly remember that this was the man who did this to me, and this was the man who stood by me to secure me. I’m sure he will vividly recall that, and then vote for the UDP.
No Resignation Tendered
“Rambo did not even tender his resignation to the UDP bureau, but I consider that the public announcement was his resignation.”
Author: Sainey MK Mareneh
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/udp-aprc-react-to-rambos-defection |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 16:59:21
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"It is absolutely incorrect that his defection will shake UDP. Mr. Jatta has not castigated the way UDP is run, "
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Senegambia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 17:38:11
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It is days like today and comments like this that make me admire Mr Darboe and many other gambians like him. What I see in his comments is strength; and virtuous leadership. The strength to keep your head up, defend your own without castigating others. Actions of the good old gambian elder as we know them.
Yet another reminder for the opposition to double up there effort to win the hearts and minds of more gambian voters; or atleast to be and remain a force to reckon with in the country's political dispensation. The lost of Rambo's vote is a loss of one vote too many.
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 18:18:51
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Senegambia well said and as I just mentioned ealier,from my analysis of the political situation in the gambia.The opposition supporters in the country are sincere people who are giving their support for the betterment of the nation rather support for money or position in return as seen in the Aprc party.This being the case, I personaly believe Ramboes defection due to whatever personal reasons will not make those sincere supporters to follow suit in any way.we have seen Waas defection and forming Ndam but what difference those this make to UPD being still the biggest oppostion party in the country?UDP has not lost any seat to Ndam since then and going by the speak of Darboe,I personally believe knowing who the Bakau people are, Rambo has just shot himself in the foot.lets wait and see.To the UDP i must said lick the wound for now and trust me the election is still time away and you can comeback stronger.And the support based on sincerity is always better than support for personal gains.
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Edited by - Dembish on 19 Jan 2011 18:42:41 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 19:34:51
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| All I see excessive optimism. The man left the party. It is a big blow for UDP. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 19:45:09
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Turk details are coming to light as to what result to Rambos suden crossing carpeting .Details are even emerging as to the amount of cash received personally by rambo from Jammeh himself and promise of post in the tourism sector.
Now tell me who should be ashamed in this case,the UDP or Rambo and the APRC?
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Originally posted by turk
All I see excessive optimism. The man left the party. It is a big blow for UDP.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 20:29:38
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Dembish
Political personalities transfers from one party to other, that is not unique to Gambia. The promise of a post in the tourism sector is not immoral act. If the man has a voting base, power, there is nothing wrong him accepting a deal for this. It is not ideal but it is not crime either. But the point you are missing is that; he 'LOST HOPE OF UDE' like many other Gambians and this is very serious situation for UDP, the party is on decline. It could have domino effect. UDP has a party leader looking more like a 'santa clause' or 'honorary chairman' than a leader. The election is coming. They are not even contesting for by-election as they are afraid to give any indication that 'the party is becoming irrelevant to Gambia. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 19 Jan 2011 20:31:26 |
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 21:40:21
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Turk it only shows that the UPD with its "santa cluase leader" as you put it posed the biggest threat to The Aprc government,otherwise they will not stoop so low to bribing its key elements with cash and posts to get to their side.this has ever been a tradition of Aprc and I personally think its hypocritcal to the core.They will not come out with the details of what transpires behind close doors, but media happy to anounce that mr so has just cross carpetted.The whole motive has one snister move and that is to fool the gambian electorates into believing that the opposition is loosing its support to them and this is a cheap politics really.I have experienced such in many occassions in the Gambia and if such individuals are cross carpeting,usually the president himself will grace that very gathering knowing fully well the political advantage it has to his party support.Example is the cross carpeting of Waa,The Musu kebba Drammeh family and even the recent move by rambo.Jammeh was at all these gatherings. You see jammeh cannot full all Gambians all the time and its only your types who are still ignorant of this dictator's political style but majority of Gambians inparticular the oppositions supporters are quite aware of this amateur snistical style long since.
By the way Rambo's decision is his constitutonal right and I am happy to put to you that it is respected by the UPD camp.He is been wish good luck in the APRC.But I must put to you as well that it will not be the same for any key APRC element to cross carpet freely like Rambo did to an oppostion party even if they really want to they cannot simply because you know as much as I do what that will mean to that individual, he/she will be witch hunt and risks arrest and being charge bogus charges by the Jammeh government.No wonder none of his former supporters ever dare to show their support or loyality to the oppostions in public even if they fall out with the dictator, you know as well as I, that jammeh got a lot of people behind him who in reality don't support him,but due to his dictatorial tendencies, they got no choice but to play hypocrites.Where do you think Pa nderry is getting his information from other than such elements within the APRC government.If there was freedom within the Aprc for it members to change party like in the opposition,Aprc will have been finished long gone. |
There is no egg without a chicken, and no chicken without egg. |
Edited by - Dembish on 19 Jan 2011 22:33:54 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 21:57:58
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Well said Dembish. The only problem for the UDP here is the bad publicity this defection has generated but that is only for a short term and it will pass off soon.
Regards |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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