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GAMBIA-L Digest 14
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Tobaski greetings
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
2) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
3) Re: Tobaski greetings
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
4) Tabaski Greetings
by lrr.e15@hugheslink.geis.com
5) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by "Famara A. Sanyang" <FAMARAAS@amadeus.cmi.no>
6) Re: Tabaski Greetings
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
7) Re: Tobaski greetings
by MANSALA@aol.com
8) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
9) Africa: US & Internat. Programs (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
10) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
11) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
12) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
13) ERRORS
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
14) Re: ERRORS
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
15) I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
16) ECOWAS-CURRENCY (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
17) ALD Conference
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
18) New member
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
19) Good Luck
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
20) Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
21) Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
22) Re: new member
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
23) Re: Agriculture in teh Gambia
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
24) 96D30050.html
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
25) house cleaning
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
26) Signing Off . . .
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
27) U.S / AFRICA AID
by "BOJANG,MAMBUNA" <MBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
28) help
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
29) help
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
30) Fwd: Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
31) Re: help
by "Famara A. Sanyang" <FAMARAAS@amadeus.cmi.no>
32) The saga of militarism......
by "BOJANG,MAMBUNA" <MBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
33) Re: The saga of militarism......
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
34) Re: The saga of militarism......
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
35) The saga of militarism......
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
36) Re: The saga of militarism......
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
37) Re: The saga of militarism......
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
38) Re: The saga of militarism......
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
39) Re: The saga of militarism......
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
40) Re: The saga of militarism......
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
41) Re: The saga of militarism......
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
42) Re: help
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
43) Re: The saga of militarism......
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
44) Re: ALD CONFERENCE
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
45) Draft Constitution
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
46) Re: ALD CONFERENCE
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
47) Re: ALD CONFERENCE
by mostafa jersey marong <mbmarong@students.wisc.edu>
48) Re: ALD CONFERENCE
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
49) Re: ALD CONFERENCE
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
50) Re: ALD CONFERENCE
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
51) Re: The saga of militarism
by L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
52) Re: The saga of militarism......
by L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
53) Re: Draft Constitution
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
54) Re: The saga of militarism......
by Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
55) Re: The saga of militarism......
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
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Date: 29 Apr 1996 08:27:07 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Tobaski greetings
Message-ID: <3831234558.25591409@inform-bbs.dk>
Hi Gambia-l !
I am sending "Tobaski" ('Eedu-l-Adha') greetings to every member of the
Gambia-l.
Peace!
Momodou Camara
e-mail:
Momodou@Inform-bbs.dk;Internet
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 09:58:44 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <9604291358.AA02957@mx5.u.washington.edu>
GAmbia-L:
Well put Abdou.
Morro.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Momodou Camara <momodou@inform-bbs.dk>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>,
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Subject: Re: Tobaski greetings
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And the same to you, Momodou
Tony
On 29 Apr 1996, Momodou Camara wrote:
> Hi Gambia-l !
> I am sending "Tobaski" ('Eedu-l-Adha') greetings to every member of the
> Gambia-l.
> Peace!
>
> Momodou Camara
> e-mail:
> Momodou@Inform-bbs.dk;Internet
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 16:18:00 UTC 0000
From: lrr.e15@hugheslink.geis.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Tabaski Greetings
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Just want to send Tabaski or Eid Al Adha greetings to all list members
direct from Saudi Arabia. Wishing everyone the best.
Regards,
M'Baye (Wm. Baker)
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:56:40 GMT+1
From: "Famara A. Sanyang" <FAMARAAS@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <17BF2F01DD5@amadeus.cmi.no>
Hello Gambia-l,
I have ben following the discussion on military takeover in the
Gambia. Thanks to Abdou for his contribution . I think Abdou is not
being fair with the other contributors, when he said that they were
advocating that every currupt government should be overthrown. From
what I understood from the various postings , people were trying to
make sense out of the situation at home (the peasants support for Jammeh
for example). As far as I remember most of the contributors (if not
all of them) were interested in a democratic Gambia, and distance
themselves from military takeovers. If the democratic system which
I could say is a copy of the Western style democracy had "developed"
as it is in the West, then there would not have been any need for a
military Coup. Can a cabinet / governtment survive the the corruption
scandals which we experienced in the Gambia. Honourable people
in public office resign or are sacked when they are involved in
corruption scandals. The least one can think of in a democracy is
to promote public officials to higher positions after the country's
Courts of law found them guilty of activities incompatible to their office.
Since there is a military Coup in the Gambia and it is now history, I
see no reason why people trying to make sense out of the situation
sholud be call naive (L. Konteh).
I don't think Jammeh convinced anybody with "his simple proganda".
The fact is that the commissions have been revealing the looting of
the Gambian wealth by few elites, and that people getting their
assumption confirmed that, if their is a political will for change it
is still not late. I am also against military coups as a means of
changing our political systems.
Famara.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:19:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Tabaski Greetings
Message-ID: <199604291719.NAA19119@aspen>
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Thanks M'Baye and all those folks out there.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:55:40 -0400
From: MANSALA@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Tobaski greetings
Message-ID: <960429175539_102960095@emout15.mail.aol.com>
I hope you forks out there had a blast "Tosbaski" celibration. It is always
the same no matter ones location. May the next one find each of us in a much
better shape next year.
Momodou kolley.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:58:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
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Hi,
To the subsription managers, we are having problems regarding the
following addresses: mujsbf@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu and mubj1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu .
Could you check to see that it is the correct address ? If you cannot
make that determination, I will have to go to the BGU server and query
it. Both address seem to be refering to the same person.
Now for some politics. In regards to my previous remarks, I
would just like to pose the following questions:
What is the legality of the so-called "investigative commissions"
? Who gave them their mandate ? Are they beholdened to Jammeh and his
gang ?
Secondly, why is it that the "reform-minded" military people are
doing everything (from their so-called "conctitution to imprisoning brave
dissidents) to perpetuate themselves in power ?
I would just like to say that governments like Italy and Japan
also have very serious problems with corruption. That has however not
prevented them from developing their economies rapidly. A case in point
is the trial of former Italian Prime Minister Andreoti for murder. In
Japan, corruption is likewise bad. But what distinguishes Italy and The
Gambia is the awareness by Italians of the distinction between a
government of men and a government of laws. What angers me more than
anything is that when I call The Gambia, people are afraid to tell me
about the political situation down there. I will take corruption over
repression and murder anytime.
Waiting for messiah to save a country from anything is a dream that
has never been fulfilled in the annals of human history. Publications by the
Gambian embassy claiming that Jammeh is some kind of a messiah is but merely
a commentary on the people who wrote them. I found it incredible that they
would even expect people to believe such nonesense. I guess I am wrong as I
continue to be told how the Gambian military "saved" the country. Sometimes,
I think it is useful to compare the cure with the disease.
-Abdou
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A. TOURAY.
(212) 749-7971
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:37:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Africa: US & Internat. Programs (fwd)
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Hi Everyone, I am forwarding this. I hope that it will be of interest.
Thanks
Tony
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:15:21 -0400
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Subject: Africa: US & Internat. Programs (fwd)
Sandra T. Barnes wrote:
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Africa: U.S. & International Programs
Date distributed (ymd): 960426
Washington Office on Africa
Action Alert
U.S. Delinquency Undermines International Programs
Congressional cuts in U.S. funding for international agencies are
having crippling effects on institutions of particular importance
to Africa. Unless the United States pays its backlog in overdue
assessments, the United Nations may be forced to shut down many of
its operations within months. Key U.N. agencies involved in
supporting African development, such as the U.N. Development
Program, are facing drastic budget cuts. The U.N. peacekeeping
budget is also in trouble, with unpaid bills of some $1 billion to
countries providing peacekeeping troops, including France, India,
Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal.
In addition, Washington owes almost $1 billion to the World Bank's
program of concessional development loans, a principal source of
development funds for Africa.
The crisis is so great, and the U.S. responsibility for creating it
so clear, that even key U.S. allies such as Britain have suggested
a policy of no representation without taxation. Others have
suggested that the U.N. headquarters, which generates an estimated
$3 billion in economic activity for the U.S. economy, should be
removed to a country with a more mature sense of international
responsibility.
Many members of Congress strongly oppose adequate funding for these
institutions. Some are seeking even deeper cuts, and a few openly
advocate U.S. withdrawal. The Clinton Administration has proposed
funding that would make up part of the arrears and support current
programs at modest levels, but it is also pushing for drastic
downsizing in many key international programs.
The amounts for these international institutions sound large in
comparison to household budgets. But they are tiny compared to U.S.
expenditures on other federal budget items. The regular United
Nations budget plus the World Bank's soft-loan disbursements to
Sub-Saharan Africa (at roughly $1.3 billion and $2.5 billion per
year respectively) add up to little more than half of the extra $7
billion Congress tacked on to the $220 billion U.S. military budget
last fall.
The entire United Nations system employs fewer people worldwide
than the number of Wyoming state employees. There is wide agreement
that multilateral institutions do need reform. But given the number
of world problems they are being called upon to deal with, they
need more resources, not fewer.
African countries are particularly reliant on these international
agencies. While African nongovernmental organizations are critical
of many international programs, particularly World Bank structural
adjustment policies, they have spoken out in favor of continued
funding. Multilateral support is essential not only to humanitarian
relief and peacekeeping in Africa, but also to investments in
education and health, and to building the capacity of African
governmental and nongovernmental institutions to address the
continent's long-term problems.
Budgeting for the U.S. share of the costs for international
organizations falls into several distinct categories. Contributions
to the United Nations regular budget, peacekeeping budget, and
selected U.N. agencies are assessed at rates agreed upon in
international treaties. Contributions to other U.N. agencies, as
well as to multilateral development banks, are based on voluntary
pledges approved by Congress. Almost all these accounts suffered
major cutbacks in last year's battles over the fiscal 1996 budget,
and they are at risk of still deeper cuts in the 1997 budget
currently being debated.
U.N. Regular Budget
The U.N.'s regular budget supports the operations of the
Secretariat, General Assembly, Security Council and other core
agencies, such as the U.N. High Commission for Refugees and the
U.N. Environment Program. It includes funds for publication of
Africa Recovery magazine and other information on African economic
development. The Economic Commission for Africa is financed from
this budget, as are special U.N.-wide initiatives to support
African development.
The U.N. has already trimmed almost 6% from its projected regular
budget for 1996-1997. But U.N. undersecretary Joseph Connor said
early this month that the U.N. would have to juggle funds by
dipping into the peacekeeping budget as early as June. Even so,
without new U.S. payments after the U.S. fiscal year begins in
October, funds will be totally exhausted by the end of 1996.
U.S. arrears on the regular budget as of mid-April were at least
$371 million. We are the only developed country in arrears. In 1994
the United States paid a total of $311 million towards the regular
budget. In 1995 and 1996 to date, it has paid only $187 million. By
contrast, 41 of the U.N.'s 185 members have already paid their 1996
assessments in full. Countries fully paid up include developed
nations such as Italy, Canada, France, and the Netherlands, as well
as African countries such as Lesotho, South Africa, Ethiopia, and
Namibia.
The Administration's 1997 request to Congress for the U.N. regular
budget is $314 million, $7 million short of what the U.S. owes for
calendar year 1996, with nothing for arrears or for the nine months
of 1997 before the next fiscal year begins. The budget request also
includes $379 million to meet U.S. assessed obligations to agencies
such as the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture
Organization, to which the U.S. owes $130 million.
U.N. Peacekeeping
In the post-Cold War period, the U.N. has been called to deal with
an unprecedented number of regional conflicts around the globe.
Twenty new peacekeeping operations were approved by the Security
Council between 1988 and 1993, compared to only 13 during the
previous 40 years. At the end of 1995 there were 16 operations
under way, with the largest commitments of troops in Angola, Haiti,
and Lebanon. The United States provided just over 6% of the troops.
The total annual budget grew from less than $200 million in 1986 to
nearly $3 billion by 1993.
The assessment rates for U.N. peacekeeping were agreed in 1973.
They are pegged to a country's ability to pay, with an extra 20%
for permanent members of the Security Council who have veto power
over any peacekeeping operation. The United States has been
responsible for 30.8% of total peacekeeping assessments. As of
mid-April 1996, Washington was $764 million in arrears.
The U.S. share is equivalent to slightly over 1% of the U.S.
military budget. But the payments come not from the cash-flush
defense budget but through accounts handled by the State
Department, which are among the primary targets of budget cutters.
So even the Administration proposal provides only $425 million for
peacekeeping in fiscal 1997, including $142 million for arrears.
There are a few other countries with large arrears, notably Russia
and the Ukraine. But only the United States, comments Erskine
Childers, an expert on the U.N. system, "is delinquent to this
massive extent, in violation of international treaty law, not for
reasons of economic difficulty, but because it is withholding its
due contributions until every other member country accepts its
unilateral demands about U.N. policies, decision-making and
management."
The resultant cash crisis in peacekeeping creates enormous
management problems for existing missions, and virtually eliminates
the U.N.'s capacity to respond to new crises as they emerge.
World Bank
Critics have strongly faulted the World Bank for imposing rigid
structural adjustment policies on developing countries. These
programs have all too often had devastating impacts on living
standards, with only mixed macroeconomic results. Observers are
hoping for somewhat greater responsiveness under new World Bank
president James Wolfensohn, who has promised a wider dialogue with
nongovernmental organizations and stressed the importance of
investment in social development.
While this debate continues, many critics, particularly in Africa,
affirm the importance of continued funding at least for the
International Development Association (IDA). This branch of the
World Bank provides loans for the poorest countries, currently
those with per capita income of less than $835 a year. Almost all
countries in Sub-Saharan Africa fall into this category. Of $2.4
billion in World Bank lending to Africa in 1995, more than 96% was
as IDA loans rather than as standard commercially-backed loans. IDA
loans, typically for 35 to 40 years, carry no interest, but only a
small service charge.
Roughly half of IDA's funds to Africa support economic reform plans
agreed with the World Bank; the rest go to investments in physical
infrastructure, government capacity-building, education,
population, health, nutrition and water supply. The conditions on
which these loans are given, as well as the implementation of
specific projects, need ongoing reevaluation. But simply
eliminating the funds would cripple many programs essential to
African development.
IDA is funded in three-year periods. The United States pledged a
total of $3.75 billion for IDA-10 (July 1993-June 1996), of which
$934.5 million is still unpaid. The Administration is proposing
that the U.S. pay off its obligation to IDA-10 in fiscal 1997 and
contribute $800 million a year for the final two years of IDA-11,
a 36% reduction from previous levels. Even these limited amounts
will be contested in Congress, however. Other developed countries
have put up monies for an emergency fund for the first year of
IDA-11, in which the U.S. will not participate. U.S. companies will
not be eligible to bid on IDA contracts financed by other nations
until the arrears are paid.
Voluntary Contributions to U.N.
The United States makes voluntary contributions to the U.N.
Development Program (UNDP), UNICEF, and several other U.N.
programs. The Administration requested $425 million for these
accounts in 1996, but Congress cut this back to only $285 million.
The Administration is requesting $325 million for fiscal 1997. UNDP
is the U.N.'s lead agency in promoting and coordinating
development. With its annual human development reports, UNDP has
led a creative rethinking of development in the post-Cold War
period. Its offices in many developing countries play a key role in
helping to coordinate international efforts. Some $180 million of
its approximately $1 billion field program budget goes to African
countries.
The U.S. contribution to UNDP for fiscal 1996 was slashed by 56%,
to only $52 million. The Administration's 1997 budget proposes
restoring the allocation to $78.7 million. This is still
significantly less than the amounts provided by Japan, the
Netherlands, Denmark, or Germany.
No Significant Savings
Polls show that U.S. public opinion is generally favorable to U.S.
contributions to the United Nations and other international
institutions. But opponents are able to exploit the fact that most
people think the sums involved are far larger than they are.
Cutting U.S. aid to the United Nations achieves no significant
savings in the federal budget. Yet if Congress follows the pattern
set last year, U.S. international obligations will be under assault
as extravagant expenditures. A strong public outcry is essential:
the United States should pay what it owes and work to strengthen,
not undermine, the international bodies that provide crucial
support for peace and development in Africa.
What You Can Do
With the drumbeat of attacks against international
institutions setting the tone for debate in Congress, it is
essential that Congress and the Administration hear the
message that the majority of the American people do not agree
with such shortsighted views. You may wish to use the
following talking points:
* Payment of U.S. assessments to the United Nations is a legal
obligation under treaties this country has signed. U.S.
failure to pay is offensive even to many of our closest
allies, and will result in loss of U.S. influence and
prestige. The U.S. should also pay its fair share of other
international programs.
* The amounts spent by international institutions--including
the United Nations and the World Bank's IDA--are all
relatively small. And the amount the United States is expected
to contribute is minuscule in comparison to the U.S. military
budget.
* Polls show the U.S. public gives a significantly higher
rating (67% favorable) to the United Nations than it does to
the U.S. Congress (53% favorable). The majority of the U.S.
public does not favor cuts in U.S. support for the U.N.
* International programs for peacekeeping, development and
other areas of international cooperation are absolutely
essential for survival and sustainable progress in poor
countries around the world, including many on the African
continent. Starving these programs is irresponsible,
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:17:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
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Abdou, those two email addresses you mentioned belong to Janko Fofana and
Baba Jaiteh, who for some reasons were among the original members ever
since the migration. But for some mysterious reasons, their email
addresses were taken off the list. They were added again last week. Those
are the correct addresses given by Western Illinois Unviversity, the
institution that they attend. Maybe, it could be with their local servers.
Latjorr had encountered similar problems before. Malanding, you can
find out from them whether they are receiving Gambia-l mails or not, or if
they receive this posting, they can write to the group and confirm that.
Thanks
Tony
On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, ABDOU wrote:
> Hi,
> To the subsription managers, we are having problems regarding the
> following addresses: mujsbf@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu and mubj1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu .
> Could you check to see that it is the correct address ? If you cannot
> make that determination, I will have to go to the BGU server and query
> it. Both address seem to be refering to the same person.
> Now for some politics. In regards to my previous remarks, I
> would just like to pose the following questions:
> What is the legality of the so-called "investigative commissions"
> ? Who gave them their mandate ? Are they beholdened to Jammeh and his
> gang ?
> Secondly, why is it that the "reform-minded" military people are
> doing everything (from their so-called "conctitution to imprisoning brave
> dissidents) to perpetuate themselves in power ?
> I would just like to say that governments like Italy and Japan
> also have very serious problems with corruption. That has however not
> prevented them from developing their economies rapidly. A case in point
> is the trial of former Italian Prime Minister Andreoti for murder. In
> Japan, corruption is likewise bad. But what distinguishes Italy and The
> Gambia is the awareness by Italians of the distinction between a
> government of men and a government of laws. What angers me more than
> anything is that when I call The Gambia, people are afraid to tell me
> about the political situation down there. I will take corruption over
> repression and murder anytime.
> Waiting for messiah to save a country from anything is a dream that
> has never been fulfilled in the annals of human history. Publications by the
> Gambian embassy claiming that Jammeh is some kind of a messiah is but merely
> a commentary on the people who wrote them. I found it incredible that they
> would even expect people to believe such nonesense. I guess I am wrong as I
> continue to be told how the Gambian military "saved" the country. Sometimes,
> I think it is useful to compare the cure with the disease.
> -Abdou
>
> *******************************************************************************
> A. TOURAY.
> (212) 749-7971
> MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
>
> A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
> SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
> I WANDER AND I WONDER.
> ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
> *******************************************************************************
>
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 19:23:18 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <9604292323.AA26780@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Gambia-l:
Agian, well put Abdou.
Morro.
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Date: 30 Apr 1996 10:46:42 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <3546415101.31323781@inform-bbs.dk>
The commission of enquiry was first established under the former government
when Fafa Mbye was the then Justice Minister and he became the first
victim. He was sent to prison and served a sentence. The whole commission
was then swept under the carpet because of some influential people who were
afraid of what might be revealed.
Now that people in the Gambia are seeing what is being revealed every day
by the commissions, they are very eager to see them continue.
My opinion is that, the commissions should continue to invisgate into the
Government Departments and their line ministries even after this military
government. The main reason is to prevent the same mistakes of
mismanagement which could lead to new coups in feture.
Some of you might remember poor peasants who got their mosquitor nets and
even their roofs seized by the co-operative department for owing a few
hundred dalasis.
Why can't officials in Government departments be accounted for their actions
in office, whilst they are being paid by the money that these same
peasants toiled for?
The A.F.P.R.C will also be accounted for during their term of office one
day.
Momodou Camara
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:13:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: ERRORS
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Hi Sub. Managers,
The address for Janko Fofana at WIU is JS-Fofana@wiu.edu . The
address for Baba Jaiteh at WIU is B-Jaiteh@wiu.edu . I have tested the
addresses and they both work.
Thanks,
-Abdou.
*******************************************************************************
A. TOURAY.
(212) 749-7971
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:33:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: ERRORS
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Janko and Baba added!
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 18:48:49 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <9604302249.AA22811@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Gambia-l:
Mere suspicion of a chief executives impropriety, or corruption,
or inefficiency or . . .( you know your list), is no basis for a
subversion of our constitutional system. Notwithstanding our rather
inflated views of ourselves, just because WE think someone was
improper in some way, ipso facto, does not make it so. We have
to submit our suspicions (if ever they rise to the level of charges)
to a constitutional process of proof. A violent change of
government may not to be advocated, undertaken or endorsed
lightly.
I suspect, subjected to scrutiny, charges against Jawara are bases
for his defeat at the polls not his ouster by the gun. Not every
governmental transgression may be resisted by an act of treason.
That being true, we should have left it to the system to resolve
these matters.
However, some of us have raised questions about the sufficiency
of the electoral process to address these concerns. It too, we
claim, had been touched by Jawaras corruption. As evidence,
we have proffered the following, (Actually, we raised more
charges to prove existing charges--begging the question?):
(1) That Power was commandeered because Jawara was
in power for 32 years.
Longevity in an elected position is no proof of fraud. Despite our
dislike, we have to accept others' like of Jawara. It was actually
easy to like the man when compared to the alternatives (the
opposition leaders).
I know some of us think these people are so wonderful, we just
ought to have skipped elections and anointed one of them to the
presidency. You know, bow . . . were not worthy. Just do away
with that silly little thing called the vote. Peasants want Jawara?
They're not people! Oh yeah . . .new law, if one doesn't graduate
from high school he can't vote: Decree #1 Gambia-l.
But, peasant question #1: How come most of the opposition
leaders are outcasts from the Jawara Government? Dibba was
forced out under cloud of financial scandal. Camara (the likable
Elma Fudd--ha ha) thought he had a right to the vice-presidency
and when he didn't get it he stormed away. Gee, like I'm supposed
to shed tears for this guy? How about Manneh?
No one knows him (If its the Manneh I know, the man is insane).
Sallah? I'll consider voting for him when he returns from socialist
Lalaland. Kukoi? He gave elections a go one whole time . . .big
deal! It was easier for him to get an AK 47 and slaughter 2000 of us.
This is your wonderful group alternatives to Jawara. Even I cringe
at this bunch of psychos and losers. May be the peasant is not so
stupid after all. Peasant Question #2: If these people are so right
for us, how come they never stuck up for us when Jawara was doing
all this pillaging he now stands accused of? How come Jawara (our
designated DEVIL) had to toss THEM out? Think people. THE
PEASANT HAD REASON FOR VOTING FOR JAWARA.
But not all peasants voted for Jawara. Jawara had 56% of the vote
in the last elections (a decline from 70-80%?). You think, may be
SOME peasants did not vote for him (perhaps for seizing their
mosquito-nets, etc.)? Most of them could have voted against him
if presented with a DECENT alternative.
None of us honest, gutless wonders ran against Jawara. We
preferred to do more important things like yak about and cast
peasants as the stupid citizens responsible for all our problems.
We were too busy looking down on the them--perhaps a disease
we caught as heirs to the colonial masters? Who amongst us isn't
running away from his peasant beginnings towards that illusive
whiteness? Sometimes I think WE are so full of crap, the
white man doesn't need to **** (on us) anytime soon.
Our opposition was lousy and none of you honest ones (can you
feel my sarcasm?) would run. So we deferred to the military (we
wouldn't want our white gloves bloody!) and hoped for
mercy on our souls. There is a dumb idea, plain and simple. It's
like a hungry mans hope that if he squeezed his ass hard enough,
honey and not crap will flow forth. What has the military done
for you that inspires such blind faith?
(2) That Jawara put Food Aid to personal use! Another
wonderful reason for supporting the overthrow.
Did Jawara have a ton of cracked wheat hoarded away somewhere
and once in a while escaped the pressures of the State House and
just . . . just . . . binged. Just . . . stuffed himself silly.
Yes?
But I suppose you mean Jawara used Food Aid to influence the
vote and therefore the vote was unfair? Right? I suppose also by
"influence" you mean peasants liked HIM over all other
candidates because they saw HIM as the giver of the food and not
the opposition. Right? Step back for a second.
How about all those United States Congressmen who deliver
fat government projects to their districts (create jobs and the
good life), hence facilitate their re-election? They take credit
for the GOVERNMENT funds flowing into their districts.
Back to the Gambia . . . So why should Jawara not have taken
credit for Food Aid (from NGOs and foreign govts.)? Perhaps
he could have fed the peasants with his own fat. Here, people,
cut away those rolls under my armpit. Look how these babies
hang. Prime steak over here . . . all that cracked wheat I have
been dunking. Oh yeah, trim me down people!
We're being silly. But this is crunch time folks. You take your
stand. You are either for the right of The Gambian people to
choose or you're not! (Don't be sly either. Under our 1970
Constitution, the right to vote was not qualified by "good". ).
You are either for or against the AFPRC. Don't finesse us.
Dont assume we're stupid and need to be rescued from ourselves.
The vote is secret. An individuals choice at the booth is his
business, even though it affects the rest of us. Once that vote is
cast the veil of secrecy descends, and may not be lifted unless
by permission of the subject individual. Thus in a democratic
society, the gravest responsibility is not how cautiously we
choose, but how well we RESPECT the choice of others even
when fundamental differences abound. The task here is
restraint in the face of overwhelming desire to act (i.e. to
disregard/disrespect the choice of the majority because we
disagree with it).
If you did not like the peasants choice of Jawara, as I didn't and
was too arrogant to persuade them otherwise as I was, you
could've sat on an egg as I did.
Look around the world people. How come we aren't up there with
the big boys? We are poor, powerless, despised, or criminal all
around the world. We can't keep shifting blame. We have become
a peril upon the earth. We must mend our ways, sever our heads
to cast our arrogance. I insist, let's have some respect for the
choice others. (If we don't, even the upcoming elections, if ever they
occur will be pointless since losers will not respect the choice of
winners. How about that for a pickle bright guys?)
Morro
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
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30 APR 96 - ECOFEATURE: ECOWAS-CURRENCY
Moves For A Common Currency In West Africa
From Maureen Chigbo; PANA Correspondent
LAGOS, Nigeria (PANA) - The Governors of Central banks of the
16-nation Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) are
billed to hold a crucial meeting in May to review recommendations for
the introduction of a common currency in the sub-region.
Experts of the West African Monetary Agency (WAMA) prepared the
recommendation during a meeting in Banjul, Gambia, in March. WAMA, an
ECOWAS specialised agency with headquarters in Freetown, Sierra Leone,
is charged with facilitating action for the community's common
currency by the year 2000.
According to the ECOWAS Secretariat in Lagos, a single currency holds
the prospect for economic stability, trade and orderly development of
the sub-region.
It is expected to boost economic integration and enable the estimated
200 million West Africans to shake off poverty. Ten of the world's 48
least developed countries are in West Africa, according to the United
Nations.
Experts also believe that a single currency will help ECOWAS members
overcome the burdens of foreign debt, rapid population growth and poor
industrial infrastructure in the competitive global environment.
ECOWAS, founded in 1975 to boost sub-regionmal economic integration,
began the move toward a common currency in 1992.
But the move has been dogged by intense debate, especially on whether
a common currency could be achieved in the sub-region, given political
divisions and mutual distrust between its Francophone and Anglophone
members.
While cynics have scoffed at the idea as "unrealisable," given the
slow progress of the organisation, some critics have expressed
cautious optimism.
Some twenty years after its formation, the implementation of the
ECOWAS basic protocol on free movement of people and goods, a linchpin
of its regional integration objective, remains a mirage.
But proponents of the common currency remain undaunted.
Chris Nemedia, a former executive secretary of the West African
Clearing House, which preceded WAMA, sees the agreement by the bank
governors as "a rare show of political will which is all ECOWAS needs
for the single currency to become a reality."
"In West Africa, political will is what is most needed to make any
policy work," says Nemedia, who concedes that "integration is a long
process."
But according to Reginald Ibe, who is in charge of the corporate
affairs of Nigeria's National Economic Reconstruction Fund, given the
"inefficient economies of ECOWAS member-nations, unstable currency
could threaten the common currency drive more than anything else."
For instance, he said "if Nigeria's economy is weak and the currency
very unstable, it would not like to be part of the union. With weak
economy and currency, a country may not benefit maximally from such a
union," he added.
But David Asante, who heads the ECOWAS monetary unit, dismisses the
issue of political sovereignty as a threat to a single sub-regional
currency.
He said "single currency is a threat to fiscal mismanagement and
indiscipline," currently prevalent in the sub-region, adding that this
would be replaced with greater fiscal openness and accountability.
Asante feels that ECOWAS members needed a single currency more than
other countries of the world for the simple reason that their
currencies are not currently quoted in the international currency
market.
But another obstacle to the ECOWAS common currency is the strong bond
between the Francophone countries and their former colonial
administration in Paris.
The Seven West African French-speaking cfa F zone countries in West
Africa, in January 1994, set up the West African Monetary and Economic
Union (UEMOA), which analysts view as a rival organisation to ECOWAS
to which all of them belong.
English-speaking West Africa has been particularly critical of the
UEMOA, formed after the devaluation of the the CFA franc whose parity
and convertibility have been guaranteed by the French treasury since
1948.
But UEMOA Members insist the body would help stabilise the financial
base of their relatively weaker post-devaluation economies.
Still, this has not removed the fact that the Francophone West African
countries seem more at ease with their stronger union under the
auspices of cfa franc with strong French support.
The French government recently stated that countries in the CFA zone
would be given preference when the 'Euro', the European common
currency finally takes off in 1999.
By and large, many experts agree that WAMA must work hard to set up
the mechanisms for an ECOWAS currency, if the dream of regional
integration is to be meaningful.
But how can this goal be achieved?
In August 1995, the 16 countries ratifitied the WAMA protocol
outlining the various functions of the agency.
Among other things, WAMA is to promote the use of national currencies
of member states for regional trade and other transactions, bring
about savings in the use of foreign reserves of member states,
encourage and promote trade and exchange liberalisation among the
member states.
It is also to facilitate the harmonisation and coordination of
monetary and fiscal policies and structural adjustment programmes of
the member states; ensure the monitoring, coordination and
implementation of the ecowas monetary co-operation programme.
According to the protocol, WAMA will initiate policies and programmes
to promote monetary and fiscal harmonisation in the context of
monetary and economic integration; operate the system of multilateral
clearing and payments; operate the credit and guarantee fund
mechnanism and the West African travellers cheque scheme.
The agency will undertake studies in matters relating to monetary and
fiscal co-operation settlements and external debts and any
international economic issues affecting the economies of member
states.
It is to prepare periodic reports on exchange rates, trade and
exchange liberalisation, fiscal and monetary harmonisation, balance of
payments, developments and other related monetary co-operation issues,
collect, store and disseminate statistical data for the use of central
banks of member states.
As its first step towards meeting these tasks, the West African
central banks governors have appointed a Mauritanian as the
Director-General of WAMA.
Two executive directors from the Central Bank of Nigeria and the
Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) of CFA zone countries have
also taken up their duty post at WAMA headquarters, since March.
The directors head the economic and monetary affairs, and operations
and adminstration departments, respectively. undoubtedly, public
expections are high from WAMA, as ECOWAS citizens look forward to the
realisation of the dream of a single currency by the year 2000.
Nemedia, while optimistic about the future, however, warns that
citizens should not expect a "miracle".
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:50:33 -0400
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: ALD Conference
Message-ID: <199605010050.UAA01510@auc.edu>
Greetings:
I am back from my trip to Washington D.C. It was a successful trip. I had the
opportunity to meet with the local orgarnizers there and discussed with them
issues pertaining to the ALD. They were very enthusiastic about our proposed
conference in their city in May, and want to be very much a part of the event.
It will probably be held on the campus of Howard Univ.. One of the guys is
working on it. He will also make enquiries as to whether the auditorium is
connected to the univ. server.
Concerning topics to be discussed at the conference, some suggested that we
should examines the issue of militarism in Africa, dev. in Africa , while
others wanted just an open forum with diverse topics discussion. The
conclusion was reached that we should deliberate further on this issue. That
I should get with my 'net' friends and brainstorm on topics as well as themes
for the conference.
There was complete agreement that this should be a conference hosted by non-
governmental people, although someone suggested inviting Tombong and any other
official in Washington to the conference.
I also met with Dr. Nyang who was also very much interested in participating in
the conference.
This was my mission: to initiate contact with local organizers in D.C. for a
conference to be held during African Liberation Day Weekend. This has been
accomplished. The next step is to focus on the agenda for the conference.
I would like to solicit your input.
Tony, Abdou, the problem is back. I had to resubscribe to the group again!
LatJor
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:36:32 -0400
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <199605010136.VAA01626@auc.edu>
Greetings:
I would like to welcome Mbaye Sarr of Jalibaa Magazine (Washington D.C.) in
our group. We look forward to his formal introduction to the group.
LatJor
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:20:15 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
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Subject: Good Luck
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Gambia-l members,
This message was sent to me by a friend, and I wish to share it with
all of you.
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To: Lamin Drammeh <binta@mlsv.iuj.ac.jp>
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>>> This message has been sent to you for good luck. The original is
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>>> The luck has now been sent to you. You will receive good luck
>>> within four days of receiving this message -- provided you, in
>>> turn, send it on. This is no joke. You will receive good luck
>>> in the mail -- but no money.
>>>
>>> Send copies to people you think need good luck. Don't send money
>>> as fate has no price. Do not keep this message.
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>>> This message must leave your hands in 96 hours. Please send ten
>>> copies and see what happens in four days. The chain comes from
>>> United States and was written by Diana Li, a missionary from
>>> Asia. Since the copy must tour the world, you must make ten
>>> copies and send them to friends and associates. After a few
>>> days, you will get a surprise. This is true, even if you are
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Date: 01 May 1996 11:13:53 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <3326148509.2988590@inform-bbs.dk>
Morro,
Let me make it clear to you. I do not condone any military rule
in any African country in addition my own fatherland The Gambia. I do not
belive in any rule by the gun.
Being in favour of the continuation of the commissions of enquiry does not
mean that one is an A.F.P.R.C supporter. As I mentioned in my last mail,
the commission of enquiry was first introduced under Jawara government by
Fafa M'bye. He became the first and only victim and the commission was no
more. We deserve to know if a certain customs official who after two years
of employment , building a 300.00 dalasi house got the money through
fraud.
Even in your model country the U.S.A, there is an invistagation on your
president and his wife's involvement in a deal certain deal.
For me the question of Jawara's government and the A.F.P.R.C is like
choosing between PEST AND CHOLERA. The A.F.P.R.C should have handed power
to an interim government immediately. Then I would have given them my
support 100% for eliminating the PEST.
Jawara was sworn in to defend the constitution of the Gambia but he ran
away and left the country with some demonstating soldiers. Jawara could
have learnt a lesson from Lansana Conteh of Guinea had he been around.
Jawara had to win elections over and over because the electoral system was
never independent. Fictious names and cheating was involved in the
registration of voters.
Momodou Camara
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Date: Wed, 1 May 96 10:07:07 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT
Message-ID: <9605011408.AA04909@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Momodou:
Let me make it clear to you, because I think YOU missed the point.
My quarrell is not just with the fact that you seem to endorse
AFPRC initiatives right now, it is mostly with your support
for the takeover in the first place. How can you condemn
murder yet partake of its proceeds? How can you condemn the criminal
deed yet partake of the criminal proceeds? Thus for us to even reach
AFPRC actions in this discussion, you have to demonstrate the legitimacy
of the AFPRC in the first place. Don't conveniently skip that first step.
Got it?
Morro.
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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:26:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: new member
Message-ID: <199605011726.NAA14715@cedar.ffr.mtu.edu>
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Welcome abord Chris. Hope you find the list useful.
Malanding.
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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Agriculture in teh Gambia
Message-ID: <199605011728.NAA14721@cedar.ffr.mtu.edu>
Content-Type: text
Sammy, Thanks for your wonderful contribution on agric in the Gambia.
I will surely get back to you in a later date.
Malanding
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Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 19:37:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Panafrican News Agency
News Stories | Environment | Economics | Science and Health | Sports |
Africa Press Review
Copyright 1996 Panafrican News Agency and Africa News Service. All rights
reserved.
Material may not be redistributed, posted to any other location,
published or used for broadcast without written authorization from the
Panafrican News Agency. B.P. 4056, Dakar, Senegal.
Tel: (221) 24-13-95 | Fax: (221) 24-13-90 | E-mail:
quoiset@sonatel.senet.net
30 APR 96 - WEST AFRICA-DEMOCRACY
Canadian Fund For Democracy In Three West African Countries
From Randy Zormelo; PANA Staff Correspondent
LAGOS, Nigeria (PANA) - Three West African countries are getting a 2.2
million-dollar boost from Canada to re-establish their democracies.
The Canadian High Commission in Nigeria said Tuesday that Gambia,
Nigeria and Sierra Leone were to benefit from the Democratic
Development Fund set up by the government in Ottawa.
The money will assist the democratic process in these countries over
the next three years.
The establishment of the fund was announced jointly by Canadian
Foreing Minister Lloyd Axworthy and International Cooperation Minister
Pierre Pittigrew after the just-ended London meeting of the
Commonwealth Ministerial Action Group (CMAG).
"This fund clearly illustrates Canada's commitment to help restore
democracy in the three countries," Axworthy said.
In March, Sierra Leone elected its first civilian president in years
but Gambia and Nigeria are still ruled by the military. Elections are
planned in Gambia for October and for Nigeria in 1998.
"We are pressing through CMAG for stronger measures against Nigeria, a
country whose governing administration has systematically refused to
reinstate democracy," he said.
The development fund is expected to contribute to the strengthening of
civil society and in some cases provide election support.
The larger portion of the fund will be spent in Nigeria and
administered by Canadian non-governmental organizations in partnership
with their Nigerian counterparts.
In Sierra Leone and Gambia, the allocations will be managed by the
Canadian diplomatic missions.
Christine Steward, Canada's secretary of state for Latin America and
Africa said that the transition from military to civilian rule
required a strong and active civil society.
"This fund is particularly important for Nigeria where people are
suffering under the military and desparately need support," she said.
Nigeria was suspended from the Commonwealth following the execution,
in November 1995, of nine minority rights activists, among them writer
Ken Saro-Wiwa.
_________________________________________________________________
AFRICA NEWS Home Page | AFRICA NEWS CENTRAL | The Nando Times
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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 20:08:34 -0400
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: house cleaning
Message-ID: <199605020008.UAA04508@auc.edu>
Greetings:
I have removed Nyang Njie (Daddy) from the list. He is on holidays away from
school in Alabama.
LatJor
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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 13:09:54 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Signing Off . . .
Message-ID: <9605021710.AA28077@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Gambia-l:
I will not be available for some time. It's been fun engaging all of
you. I will be back on as soon as I'm available.
Whoever is responsible (Tony?), please take me off the list effective May 3,
1996. This email address will remain active, but I'll not be accessing it. So
please don't mail anything here after May 3, 1996. Good luck in the
struggle. WE STRUGGLE OR SHRIVEL AND DIE.
Morro.
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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 13:24:07 EDT
From: "BOJANG,MAMBUNA" <MBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
To: "BOJANG,MAMBUNA" <MBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
Subject: U.S / AFRICA AID
Message-ID: <02MAY96.14474152.0069.MUSIC@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
DATE=5/2/96
TYPE=BACKGROUND REPORT
NUMBER=5-33163
TITLE=U-S / AFRICA AID
BYLINE= LUISA PIETTE
DATELINE= WASHINGTON
CONTENT=
VOICED AT: NOT VOICED. ACTUALITIES IN ENGLISH BUBBLE
INTRO: A (WEDNESDAY) SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING ON AFRICA HEARD
WITNESSES APPEAL FOR CONTINUED U-S DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE TO THE
CONTINENT. V-O-A'S LUISA PIETTE REPORTS.
TEXT: OPENING THE HEARING, COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN NANCY KASSEBAUM
SAID -- DESPITE THE CURRENT U-S BUDGET PROBLEMS -- THE UNITED
STATES SHOULD CONTINUE ITS DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE EFFORTS IN
AFRICA.
// KASSEBAUM ACTUALITY //
I -- FOR ONE BELIEVE -- THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES HAVE
SIGNIFICANT INTERESTS IN AFRICA. AND, THAT RANGES FROM
CONTAINING DISEASES TO STOPPING TERRORISM; IN ENDING
ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION TO PROMOTING U-S TRADE AND
INVESTMENT AND TO INCREASE OUR IMPORT INITIATIVES.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO AFFECT US IN ONE WAY OR
ANOTHER.
// END ACTUALITY //
THIS YEAR, CONGRESS SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED THE LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE
TO AFRICA. BILATERAL AID TO THE CONTINENT SUSTAINED A $150
MILLION CUT, WHILE A SEPARATE BUDGET FOR DEVELOPMENT WAS
ELIMINATED. DESPITE THIS DECREASE, SENATOR KASSEBAUM APPEALED
FOR LEGISLATORS TO REMEMBER AFRICA. SHE SAID, SO FAR, DELIVERY
OF U-S AID HAS NOT BEEN HANDLED EFFICIENTLY.
// KASSEBAUM ACTUALITY //
I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE NOT DELIVERED OUR ASSISTANCE IN
THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT MANNER. DEVELOPMENT
AID IS DIFFICULT. THIS ISN'T JUST AFRICA. IT COULD BE
ANYWHERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND, I THINK SUCCESS
DOES NOT COME EASILY. BUT, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC
SUPPORT FOR FOREIGN AID, WE SIMPLY MUST DO BETTER AND WE
MUST MAKE A CASE OF WHY IT IS IMPORTANT.
// END ACTUALITY //
SENATOR KASSEBAUM ALSO APPEALED FOR GREATER EFFICIENCY IN
COORDINATING DEVELOPMENT AID.
SHE SAYS DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN SOME
AFRICAN COUNTRIES WHERE THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP IS DEDICATED TO
REFORM.
SENATOR KASSEBAUM SAID SHE SUPPORTS MORE FUNDING FOR AFRICA
// KASSEBAUM ACTUALITY //
I, FOR ONE, HOPE WE CAN MAINTAIN STRONG FUNDING FOR OUR
BILATERAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS FOR AFRICA IN THE COMING
YEAR AS WELL AS FULLY FUND THE A-I-D (AGENCY FOR
INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT) REQUEST. I BELIEVE A-I-D IS
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE OF ECONOMIC AND
POLITICAL REFORMS IN AFRICA. NOW IS THE TIME TO ENGAGE
AND SUPPORT REFORM IN AFRICAN COUNTRIES NOT TO ABANDON
THEM. IT WILL NOT BE EASY IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT TO FUND
THESE PROGRAMS, BUT WE MUST MAKE THE CASE WHILE SEEKING
AT SAME TIME TO MAKE THE PROGRAMS MORE EFFECTIVE.
// END ACTUALITY //
SHE SAYS AN INCREASING NUMBER OF AFRICAN GOVERNMENTS AND LEADERS
ARE COMMITTED TO ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL REFORM. SHE SAYS --
UNLIKE THE 1970'S AND 80'S -- THE ENVIRONMENT IN MOST OF AFRICA
IS RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE WITNESSES -- DAVID LIPTON, THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY
THE TREASURY -- AGREES WITH SENATOR KASSEBAUM'S ASSESSMENT.
// LIPTON ACTUALITY //
THE END OF THE COLD WAR BROUGHT CHANGES TO AFRICA THAT
ARE AS PROFOUND AS THOSE IN EASTERN EUROPE. APARTHEID
HAS DISAPPEARED. MARXIST DICTATORSHIPS HAVE GIVEN WAY
TO FRAGILE DEMOCRATIC EXPERIMENTS AND STATIST ECONOMIES
ARE OPENING UP TO THE MARKET PLACE. WE HAVE ADVISED OUR
AFRICAN FRIENDS THAT FOREIGN AID WILL NOT INCREASE IN
THE FUTURE AND (THAT) THEY MUST WORK HARDER TO BUILD AN
ECONOMIC BASE THAT WILL ATTRACT PRIVATE TRADE AND
INVESTMENT. THE MESSAGE IS BEING HEARD.
DEMOCRATIZATION AND REFORM HAS BEGUN IN SOME COUNTRIES.
// END ACTUALITY //
MR LIPTON SAYS 40 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN AFRICA -- SOME 220
MILLION PEOPLE -- STILL LIVE ON LESS THAN A DOLLAR A DAY. BUT HE
SAYS DESPAIR IS NO SOLUTION. AND, HE SAYS THE UNITED STATES MUST
NOT TURN AWAY. (SIGNED).
NEB / WOD
02-May-96 2:20 AM EDT (0620 UTC)
NNNN
Source: Voice of America
..
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:17:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: help
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Hi fellows,
I often get letter from people asking me for advice about The
Gambia. As the political situation has worsened, the number of requests
has increased.
The guy below wants to travel to The Gambia. What do I tell him
? On one hand, I do not want to tell him that everything is honky dory
only for him to encounter an environment of repression. I would feel bad
if the guy wasted thousands of dollars to enjoy himself and instead is
scared throughout his stay in The Gambia. On the other hand, I do not
want to warn him as I have not been in The Gambia for the past five
years.
Any reply would be very appreciated and I will forward your reply
to him to make a judgment on his own.
Thanks,
-Abdou.
*******
Here is what he wrote:
*******
Hi Abdou,
I was wondering if you would mind letting me know a little about your
country. My name is John and my wife and I have booked up to spend three
weeks in The Gambia over Christmas and New Year this year, most of the
text we have read is a little out of date and I would really appreciate it
if you could tell me about the place a bit. (Places worth visiting, places
worth steering clear of, stuff like that.
If you wouldn't mind I would like to converse with you indepth on this,
as the information we have seen so far has put my wife on edge a little.
Thanks very much, John Purcell
Most Grateful for ANY info
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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 14:51:40 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: help
Message-ID: <9605021851.AA14676@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Abdou:
If asked, I would tell John not to go to The Gambia ever until the
military leaves. We must all make the efforts isolate the bastards.
Morro.
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Date: 02 May 1996 20:19:25 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <3729055645.774719@inform-bbs.dk>
Forwarded by Momodou Camara.
---forwarded mail START---
From: Sarian Loum,sarian@osmosys.incog.com,Internet
To: Momodou Camara
Date: 01/05/96 17:48
Subject: Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
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Well said Momodou, I'm hundred percent with you. No body condones military
government but Yaya should be given credit for ousting our so called
democratic government and for the commissions of enquiry. I would have
pronounced him a hero if he had long since return the country to civilian
rule
but he has certainly overstayed his welcome and is therefore just as bad as
the others.
Sarian
> From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Wed May 1 04:05 PDT 1996
> Date: 01 May 1996 11:13:53 GMT
> From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List"
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: I INSIST, HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
> X-Charset: Latin1
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>
> Morro,
> Let me make it clear to you. I do not condone any military rule
> in any African country in addition my own fatherland The Gambia. I do not
> belive in any rule by the gun.
>
> Being in favour of the continuation of the commissions of enquiry does not
> mean that one is an A.F.P.R.C supporter. As I mentioned in my last mail,
> the commission of enquiry was first introduced under Jawara government by
> Fafa M'bye. He became the first and only victim and the commission was no
> more. We deserve to know if a certain customs official who after two years
> of employment , building a 300.00 dalasi house got the money through
> fraud.
> Even in your model country the U.S.A, there is an invistagation on your
> president and his wife's involvement in a deal certain deal.
>
> For me the question of Jawara's government and the A.F.P.R.C is like
> choosing between PEST AND CHOLERA. The A.F.P.R.C should have handed power
> to an interim government immediately. Then I would have given them my
> support 100% for eliminating the PEST.
> Jawara was sworn in to defend the constitution of the Gambia but he ran
> away and left the country with some demonstating soldiers. Jawara could
> have learnt a lesson from Lansana Conteh of Guinea had he been around.
>
> Jawara had to win elections over and over because the electoral system was
> never independent. Fictious names and cheating was involved in the
> registration of voters.
>
>
> Momodou Camara
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:34:36 GMT+1
From: "Famara A. Sanyang" <FAMARAAS@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: help
Message-ID: <1D497F02EA8@amadeus.cmi.no>
Hello Abdou,
I came back to Norway from The Gambia in February, 96. I have been there
for 3 months collecting data for my thesis. I do not see any reason
why any peace loving person could travel to The Gambia, and enjoy
him/herself. There are a lot of tourists back home. The number is
said to be at pre AFPRC level now. I would like to tell you that before I
left Norway for The Gambia, I had a very bizarre picture of the country
under military rule. To be honest there was not much difference on
the surface.
I see no reason why tourist should be advised not to travel to the
Gambia. For those who support the British tourism boycott, remember,
Jammeh and co. will always get enough to eat(the Iraki case).
Anyway, the picture am presenting is about 3 months old. May be
somebody else have a recent picture.
Famara.
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 10:52:20 EDT
From: "BOJANG,MAMBUNA" <MBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: The saga of militarism......
Message-ID: <03MAY96.11742047.0048.MUSIC@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
Beloved Gambians,
Its interesting to read what some of us write about the July 22
movement. Yes, they are freezing personal properties; they are
detaining people; they are firing people from work; they are even
killing people (you know your list), but are they doing so just because
they choose to, or do they have a cause to do so? I wonder where we were
when Jawara and his "fatal" P.P.P gov't. were on the throne for over 3
decades.
Some would claim there was peace in the Gambia under Jawara. Yes there
was peace in one form, since we were not killed by arms. Nonetheless, we
were killed by other forms through which we even endure severe pain. We
've seen our mothers and sisters (in the outskirts of greater Banjul)
"die" in labor simply because the nearest health center to them would
claim,there is no fuel in the ambulance to take them to Banjul hospital.
Is it therefore "democratic" for a health center ambulance (which serve
the general public)to be short of fuel whilst a cabinet minister's car
has full tank (provided by a democratic govt.) only to take his wife and
kids to visit other relatives? The peace Jawara have claimed to maintain
in the Gambia is nothing other than the peace of the graveyard.
Others claimed there was massive influx of foreigners into the Gambia
under Jawara because Gambians had a good standard of living(L.CONTEH).
Yes, there was truely a massive influx of foreigners from neighboring
countries, but was it for wealth, or was it because the Gambia was a
country without borders? Yes, these foreigners or whom Mr.Conteh called
graduates, do accept teaching positions at our schools, but let me make
it known to you that: (1) the majority of them are not really graduates,
they forged their certificates. (2) Our education administrators
rapaciously hired them on unqualified teaching salary so they can still
have a balance in the budget allocated to the Education Dept. at the end
of the financial year. Few of the top officers will then share this
balance as "BONUS" at the end of the year(I worked for the Auditor Gen.
Dept for 3 1/2 years). Back in 1987, as an A'level student at the Gambia
High School I became a victim of such greedy hiring when a Ghanian who
was said to have a BSC. in physics was hired as our physics tutor. Half
way down the semester it became quite obviousv that the man did not
possess what he presented; he left on his own without telling anyone and
we went for the rest of the semester without a physics teacher. Couldn't
he failed every single one of us?
Lastly, if Jawara himself is against military rule in Africa, how did
he came to embrace former president Babangida of Nigeria for all those
years?
Again, I do not embrace military rule as a solution to our infinite
problems created and left behind by Jawara and his "FATAL" P.P.P, but
until we can come out from the pettiness of self aggrandisement and
recognize the equal importance of the lives of others then I still
maintain my stance as a defender for the July 22 Movement. "Mediocres",
"semi-illitrates",we can call them any names, I still believe they
want justice for all, and I'm positive that if any one of us(should I
say, "full-literates") step forward and act right, the July 22 movement
will be ready to step aside.
GOD BLESS US ALL!
Pa.
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 08:36:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
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Well spoken Pa, couldn't have put it any better. Those of you who have
lived in the Gambia the last few years can document the three years of
decadence and corruption of The Jawara regime better myself who has not
lived there for over two decades. Nonetheless, I am aware and keep a keen
interest in the country's state of affairs. Like everybody else, I still
have major stake in The Gambia, not only being my country of birth but my
family is still living there.
To the supporters and defenders of Jawara, let me tender my
apologies if this should upset you but I hope that Jawara rots in exile.
Just an opinion and a sincere expression of my sentiments.
Thanks
Tony
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 11:35:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
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I agree entirely with Pa Mambuna's characterization of the state of
affairs under the Jawara regime. I understand fully well problems such
as the lack of fuel for ambulances (in Gunjur, for example) at the same
time that ministers and their families had several vehicles at their
disposal with no shortage of fuel. I had returned to The Gambia at the
beginning of 1993, and such incidents were quite common. While at the
Ministry of External Affairs, I learned firsthand how much the government
valued its employees. Middle level officers prepared speeches, briefs,
budgets, etc.; but their work was not fully appreciated. Many of us paid
taxis to travel to and from work, when several vehicles were left at the
disposal of the ministers and their families.
The catalogue of malpractices under Jawara are wellknown and need no
restatement on my part. I also consider the overthrow of the Jawara
regime as a legitimate act. Jawara and the PPP's control and domination
of the country's electoral machinery made change through the ballot box
virtually impossible. There were no (peaceful) alternative avenues to
effect political change.
However, as Tony and many others have reiterated, the AFPRC has overstayed
its welcome. The repressive nature of the AFPRC is beyond question, even
though its projects have bought it a significant degree of support.
So I say to the AFPRC: "Bravo for overthrowing Jawara and initiating popular
projects; but you need to get out while you can. Your repressive regime is
built on shifting sand."
Peace! Salaam! Sholom!
Amadou
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 May 96 12:39:32 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The saga of militarism......
Message-ID: <9605031639.AA25833@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Gambia-l:
I am sorry, but it's obvious some of us don't have even a rudimentary
understanding of our 1970 Constitution. Healthcare (treatment
and other services like ambulances) was not a RIGHT guaranteed under
the constitution. It would have been good politics and good government
for Jawara to have provided "good", even free, healthcare,
but he was not constitutionally required (and I do not see any
evidence of a statutorial duty), to have so provided.
About the Ghanaian teacher . . . I also had Ghanaian teachers and they were
wonderful. Don't stereotype. It's been 9 years, get over it . . . No
matter now aggreived you were about that, this CAN'T be a basis for a coup.
For your troubles, the ballot not the bullet was your best recourse.
It is rather obvious that a great many of us are unarmed in this discussion.
I suggest we all attempt to determine what rights were violated by
Jawara's improprieties, then ask: (1) were the rights fundamental
(2) could the violations have been remedied by LESS drastic (legal)
measures. Etc. etc.
(And don't come back telling me that merely because you did not have the
votes to throw Jawara out, no less drastic measure than a coup were
available. It makes little sense to huff and puff about Jawara's improper
control of the electoral system (& on this basis blow our House down), when
the substantial fairness of the elections was declared by every monitoring
agency and personnel. I'm afraid I don't share in your trust in your
liberal imaginations. Quit something you must be smoking--ha ha)
Only when these questions are answered can you and I have a basis for a
discussion of the AFPRC coup.
Morro.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:00:21 -0700
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
Message-ID: <199605031700.KAA14876@thesky.incog.com>
Pa, Tony & Amadou I couldn't agree more with you. Well said. Jawara and his allies were silent killers, lets just hope & pray that this military boys step down and return our country to civilian rule.
Sarian
> From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Fri May 3 09:08 PDT 1996
> Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 11:35:11 -0500 (EST)
> From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
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> I agree entirely with Pa Mambuna's characterization of the state of
> affairs under the Jawara regime. I understand fully well problems such
> as the lack of fuel for ambulances (in Gunjur, for example) at the same
> time that ministers and their families had several vehicles at their
> disposal with no shortage of fuel. I had returned to The Gambia at the
> beginning of 1993, and such incidents were quite common. While at the
> Ministry of External Affairs, I learned firsthand how much the government
> valued its employees. Middle level officers prepared speeches, briefs,
> budgets, etc.; but their work was not fully appreciated. Many of us paid
> taxis to travel to and from work, when several vehicles were left at the
> disposal of the ministers and their families.
>
> The catalogue of malpractices under Jawara are wellknown and need no
> restatement on my part. I also consider the overthrow of the Jawara
> regime as a legitimate act. Jawara and the PPP's control and domination
> of the country's electoral machinery made change through the ballot box
> virtually impossible. There were no (peaceful) alternative avenues to
> effect political change.
>
> However, as Tony and many others have reiterated, the AFPRC has overstayed
> its welcome. The repressive nature of the AFPRC is beyond question, even
> though its projects have bought it a significant degree of support.
>
> So I say to the AFPRC: "Bravo for overthrowing Jawara and initiating popular
> projects; but you need to get out while you can. Your repressive regime is
> built on shifting sand."
>
> Peace! Salaam! Sholom!
> Amadou
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 13:07:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
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Whether healthcare, education, etc. are guaranteed rights embodied in the
1970 Constitution is quite inconsequential. Access to basic healthcare
and education are expected. If government exists to serve the people, the
people must have the right to resist the commands of government (including
overthrowing it) if those commands no longer serve the public will. Using
fuel to transport relatives of "fat cats" at the expense of indigent and
dying patients did not serve the public will.
Jawara has found his place ... the ash hip of Gambian history. The challenge
is to put Jammeh in his rightful place...anywhere but State House (Vo Tech,
farm, Mile 2, etc).
Peace!
Amadou
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:31:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
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Hi Fellows,
I hope that the next government is careful about inflation. I
cannot imagine the picture if that government lets inflation go above
"acceptable" standards. Woe be to that government if some bureaucrat
decides to take a dip in the box. Thank god that we have the GNA for those
purposes. If we are lucky, the next coup would be led by a real Captain
with a modicum of education and without much faith in outmoded socialist
fantasies. Well, I might sound ungrateful to the Great Yaya but I can't
help but dream. After all, he has only killed a few people here and
there. Imagine the shame that we as Gambian must feel when people from
real revolutionary country like Nigeria and Liberia talk. Those
government know how to deal with corrupt people.
In closing, I will say, Viva the revolutionary council of the
AFPRC, viva our president-for-life the benevolent Field Marshall Yaya
A.J.J. Jammeh and death to the counter-revolutionaries like Abdou and
Morro. Send them to the Gulags for the pigs to feed on !
Your Comrade in arms,
Comrade Empty.
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A. TOURAY.
(212) 749-7971
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:41:15 -0700
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
Message-ID: <199605031741.KAA14892@thesky.incog.com>
Morro,
This is a forum where we exchange ideas, agree & disagree on things. Why am I feeling that if anyone disagrees with you that person is lacking in understanding, disrespectful or something. You have a right to feel the way you feel about a military overthrow and others have a right to feel its proper under the circumstances that surrounded the Jawarra regime. One thing we all agree on is that nobody condones military rule but if this is what it took to get Jawarra out of office, then the military boys have my blessing. As I've said earlier the boys have overstayed their welcome and therefore just as bad, but I still give them credit for ousting our so called democratic government and for recovering what belong to Gambians thru the commissions of enquiry.
You've seen how corrupt the PPP government was and how controlling they were of the polls, what would you have suggested to oust these people out of there knowing that elections were never fair? Again, just because someone simply disagrees with you doesn't indicate disrespect, everyone is entitled to an opinion isn't that what democracy is all about?
Good day to all.
Sarian
> From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Fri May 3 09:53 PDT 1996
> Date: Fri, 3 May 96 12:39:32 CDT
> From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: The saga of militarism......
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>
> Gambia-l:
>
>
> I am sorry, but it's obvious some of us don't have even a rudimentary
> understanding of our 1970 Constitution. Healthcare (treatment
> and other services like ambulances) was not a RIGHT guaranteed under
> the constitution. It would have been good politics and good government
> for Jawara to have provided "good", even free, healthcare,
> but he was not constitutionally required (and I do not see any
> evidence of a statutorial duty), to have so provided.
>
> About the Ghanaian teacher . . . I also had Ghanaian teachers and they were
> wonderful. Don't stereotype. It's been 9 years, get over it . . . No
> matter now aggreived you were about that, this CAN'T be a basis for a coup.
> For your troubles, the ballot not the bullet was your best recourse.
>
> It is rather obvious that a great many of us are unarmed in this discussion.
> I suggest we all attempt to determine what rights were violated by
> Jawara's improprieties, then ask: (1) were the rights fundamental
> (2) could the violations have been remedied by LESS drastic (legal)
> measures. Etc. etc.
> (And don't come back telling me that merely because you did not have the
> votes to throw Jawara out, no less drastic measure than a coup were
> available. It makes little sense to huff and puff about Jawara's improper
> control of the electoral system (& on this basis blow our House down), when
> the substantial fairness of the elections was declared by every monitoring
> agency and personnel. I'm afraid I don't share in your trust in your
> liberal imaginations. Quit something you must be smoking--ha ha)
>
> Only when these questions are answered can you and I have a basis for a
> discussion of the AFPRC coup.
>
> Morro.
>
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Date: Fri, 3 May 96 13:59:29 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
Message-ID: <9605031759.AA07904@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Gambia-l:
Amadou's legal analysis is worth just about . . . Gee, I suppose this
is what happens when one has to actually DEFEND his assertions.
I am sorry again Amadou, but the analysis seems dumber than dumb.
I also have expectations to be rich . . . I should get a gun, 'cus
govt. hasn't made me rich yet. How about you?
Unfortunately, your expectations, without a basis in law (our 1970
Constitution), are little more than caprice and better satisfied by
the vote (which requires no statement of reason) than the bullet
(an act of high treason). If you were a Doctor (I hate to be your
patient), you would also lobotomize a patient complaining of a
common cold, yeah?
Morro.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 May 96 14:03:59 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
Message-ID: <9605031804.AA08710@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Abdou:
I appreciate the flare of sarcasm. It hit my spot . . . Thank you.
Morro.
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Date: 03 May 1996 19:12:23 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: help
Message-ID: <7214.18065@inform-bbs.dk>
gambia-l@u.washington.edu,Internet wrote at 12:34 on 03/05/96
about "Re: help":
-----------------------------
>Hello Abdou,
>
>I came back to Norway from The Gambia in February, 96. I have been there
>for 3 months collecting data for my thesis. I do not see any reason
>why any peace loving person could travel to The Gambia, and enjoy
>him/herself. There are a lot of tourists back home. The number is
>said to be at pre AFPRC level now. I would like to tell you that before I
>left Norway for The Gambia, I had a very bizarre picture of the country
>under military rule. To be honest there was not much difference on
>the surface.
>I see no reason why tourist should be advised not to travel to the
>Gambia. For those who support the British tourism boycott, remember,
>Jammeh and co. will always get enough to eat(the Iraki case).
>Anyway, the picture am presenting is about 3 months old. May be
>somebody else have a recent picture.
>
> Famara.
-----------------------------
You are right Famara. The picture was just as you mentioned at the time I
left in April.
It is difficult to predict how it will be there in December when the
couple intends to travel but at the moment I would'nt advice any person
not to travel to The Gambia.
A tourist boycott will only affect the Taxi drivers, Hotel workers,
Craftsmen/ Women but Jammeh and co. will always get enough to eat.
I was told that some families were lucky if they got one meal a day last
year, due to the British and later the Scandinavian tourism boycott but
Jammeh keeps on growing fat.
Momodou
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Date: Fri, 3 May 96 15:23:54 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
Message-ID: <9605031924.AA20087@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Abdou:
It's not a matter of choice. I do have to be away for a considerable
period of time. Sorry. But hang in there. Our brothers are not immune
to reason. Keep knocking at their doors (with your fist). If your
fist won't do the job, get a sledge hammer! They're bound to open up
sometime.
Morro.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:36:20 -0400
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: ALD CONFERENCE
Message-ID: <199605032036.QAA09708@auc.edu>
Greetings:
I would like to request the group to 'cool down' for a minute from the current
heated arguments and focus for a minute on the impending Conference.
I believe most (if not all) agreed to the need to organize this conference. As
I have stated a few days ago (was my posting received?) my trip to D.C. was
a success. We will have a conference in collaboration with the local organizing
body during the ALD (Memorial Day) weekend.
I would like for us to work on the format for the conference. By the way,
Amadou, what happened? I believe we were supposed to get together a couple of
weeks ago to work on this. Anyway let's move on. Some of you have expressed
interest in volunteering your services to make the conference successful. I
would like to know who these individuals are so you can be part of the
organizing committee.
Meanwhile, all should discuss what issues should be included in the agenda. Let
us make this a cooperative effort. Yes we may have differences of opinion, but
of what use are our opinions if at the end of the day we cannot move forward?
LatJor
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:45:25 -0400
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Draft Constitution
Message-ID: <199605032045.QAA09723@auc.edu>
Greetings:
I have in my possession a copy of the new draft constitution! I would like to
make it available to all of you but it is several pages long and at the moment
I have very limited time. As some of you know this is finals period and I have
quite a bit of grading to do (one of the many joys of a teacher).
I may be able to do it sometime late next week. The other possibility is to
bring it to the conference in D.C. and make several copies for distribution.
LatJor
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 17:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: ALD CONFERENCE
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Latjorr, great job on efforts regarding the conference. As far as I can
think of, the issues should include ways of mobilizing international
pressure on the AFPRC to conduct a fair election sometimes in 1996 without
their involvement in it as a political party. That is the only way, we can
have something closest to an impartial election. If they become a
political participant, history will repeat itself with the same practices that
most of us have accused the Jawara regime of during the past 3 decades. Sierra
Leone is a good example with their recent transition to a civilian
democracy about a month and a half ago. The international community's
pressure forced their military government to give up power and conducted
the election in a timely manner. Jammeh and the AFPRC will not have any
choice but to succumb to our international donor's community because they
are our bloodline since over 80% of our revenue's come from international
aid.
On another note, Morro has been removed from the list as he had
requested yesterday. I am sure that we will be notified whenever he is
ready to come back.
Thanks
Tony
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
=========================================================================
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:25:54 -0500
From: mostafa jersey marong <mbmarong@students.wisc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: ALD CONFERENCE
Message-ID: <199605040325.WAA55979@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
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".........over 80% of our revenue come from international aid." Where did
you get your figures from? It is not that bad ...eh!
At 05:21 PM 5/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>
> Latjorr, great job on efforts regarding the conference. As far as I can
>think of, the issues should include ways of mobilizing international
>pressure on the AFPRC to conduct a fair election sometimes in 1996 without
>their involvement in it as a political party. That is the only way, we can
>have something closest to an impartial election. If they become a
>political participant, history will repeat itself with the same practices that
>most of us have accused the Jawara regime of during the past 3 decades. Sierra
>Leone is a good example with their recent transition to a civilian
>democracy about a month and a half ago. The international community's
>pressure forced their military government to give up power and conducted
>the election in a timely manner. Jammeh and the AFPRC will not have any
>choice but to succumb to our international donor's community because they
>are our bloodline since over 80% of our revenue's come from international
>aid.
> On another note, Morro has been removed from the list as he had
>requested yesterday. I am sure that we will be notified whenever he is
>ready to come back.
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
> ========================================================================
>
> Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
> Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
> 100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
> University of Washington
> Box 353200
> Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
>
> =========================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 20:48:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: ALD CONFERENCE
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960503203735.13105A-100000@saul2.u.washington.edu>
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Yes, unfortunately it is that bad.
Check out the publications Country report and country profiles published
by Economic Intelligence Unit of Britain. They also publish The Economist.
Country report is a quarterly publication and comes 4 times a year while
country profile is an annual publication. Those are the figures cited
there. Unfortunately, we all know that we are a very poor country with
no natural resources and aid dependent. Those are some facts that were not
revealed to The Gambian population during Jawara's regime.
Try your university library, maybe they might carry it.
Thanks
Tony
n Fri, 3 May 1996, mostafa jersey marong wrote:
> ".........over 80% of our revenue come from international aid." Where did
> you get your figures from? It is not that bad ...eh!
> At 05:21 PM 5/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Latjorr, great job on efforts regarding the conference. As far as I can
> >think of, the issues should include ways of mobilizing international
> >pressure on the AFPRC to conduct a fair election sometimes in 1996 without
> >their involvement in it as a political party. That is the only way, we can
> >have something closest to an impartial election. If they become a
> >political participant, history will repeat itself with the same practices that
> >most of us have accused the Jawara regime of during the past 3 decades. Sierra
> >Leone is a good example with their recent transition to a civilian
> >democracy about a month and a half ago. The international community's
> >pressure forced their military government to give up power and conducted
> >the election in a timely manner. Jammeh and the AFPRC will not have any
> >choice but to succumb to our international donor's community because they
> >are our bloodline since over 80% of our revenue's come from international
> >aid.
> > On another note, Morro has been removed from the list as he had
> >requested yesterday. I am sure that we will be notified whenever he is
> >ready to come back.
> > Thanks
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > ========================================================================
> >
> > Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
> > Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
> > 100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
> > University of Washington
> > Box 353200
> > Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
> >
> > =========================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 23:50:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: ALD CONFERENCE
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LatJor:
I will call you this weekend. I am heading to Cincinnati tonight; and I
was extremely busy grading papers last week. But we'll move on as a group,
I hope.
Amadou.
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 17:04:23
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: ALD CONFERENCE
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Gambia-l:
I also think that the conference should talk about ways of amassing
international support for democratic elections in the Gambia in 1996.
You see, Yahya and co. have no excuse for postponing the election
process. I read on Afreenet that even Canada is willing to aid us
carry out this political reform. I also think that the military should
not vie for any political position, if we are to succeed in conducting
fair elections.
On a different note, the discussion on `the saga of militarism' is
very interesting. One thing we should all agree on though is that
both governments have their defects. Morro seems to be an adherent of
democracy, but he abuses democracy when he desires eveyone to agree
with his viewpoint or be declared `disrespectful'--I do not mean to
use this term in a vulgar way, neither do I think Morro meant that.
However, I could not think of a better term--. The issue of providing
basic necessities for the people need not be in the Constitution, and
it is Morro who should understand what a constitution needs to contain.
I am sure our Constitution would have been the biggest in the world if
we had tried to incorporate everything into it. The Jawara government
had a moral responsibility to provide,e.g.health services to all of us.
This and many others they failed to do. I am not oblivious of our
meagre resources and the constraints this places on a government, but
the flambouyant lifestyles led by Jawara and his henchmen were a sore
to our eyes. They took advantage of the peoples' passivity to carry
out their dastardly acts. To my mind, the Jammeh government is also
exploiting this Gambian reticence to legitimise its rule. Removing
Jammeh from power is not a solution in itself, it could be a means to
a solution. I think the major part of the problem lies with the led.
Unless we rid ourselves of our selfish mentality and passivity, and
take on the problems of political insensitivity by the horn, future
governments(be they military or the Greeks who founded democracy)will
continue to bask in the demonstrated political inertia of the Gambian
masses and the fragility of the intelligentsia. This is my hypothesis.
Unless someone can come up with a more cogent and contradictory point,I
stand by it. This ignominous cycle of democracy-military-democracy...
will continue unabated without our active involvement to halt it. The
bulwark of democracy is not elections, rather it is the active
involvement of the peolpe themselves in affecting politics. Please,let
us forge ahead. Remember, time is running out for us. Won't we feel
guilty if I granchildren should ask us one fine day: ` Granny, where
were you when the country was going to the dogs?'. May be I will say,
I was abroad in Japan (US etc) debating on Gambia-l about Jawara vs.
Jammeh....laugh.
Peace!
Lamin Drammeh(Japan).
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Date: Sat, 4 May 96 11:23:42 BST
From: L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism
Message-ID: <9605041023.AA25418@hpl.lut.ac.uk>
Gambia-L
For those of you quoting me in kind, if i were in the docks in USA i would
have invoke my rights enshrined in the American constitution, i.e. the Fifth
Ammendment { i refuse to answer you on the grounds that i may incriminate
myself} Sorry if i got the sense wrong. However with some of the arguments
coming forward, i would have said there i rest my case m'lud. There are lots
of flaws in many of those arguments but to answer it would open another can of
worm beans of ideas, so i leave you to wallow in it.....
For the records however, Fafa Mbye did not initiate the commission of enquiries...Fact!
He presided of it's implementation...........Fact
Yes, he was alledged to be involved in some shady financial transaction...Fact
The case against him was dropped on a point of technicality.... Fact!
This is because a prominent Gambian businessman claimed that the money is
his..Fact!
The commission of enquiry was stopped because people are not coming forward to
give evidence... Fact
This is very unfortunate and sad, but the reality is we live in a very close
knit society by virtue of our size and population; where everyone is an uncle,
nephew, cousin etc to a, b, c...
Under such circumstances i can underst and why many people didn't come forward
with vital evidence for commissions to successfully prosecute those corrupt
individuals.
Putting those facts aside, let us also sit back and think that there is a
separation of power between the judiciary, legislature and the executive. Some
of you who knows a bit about our constitution may know what i mean.
In a civilized society, we trust the courts to safeguard our fundamental basic
rights, the executive should not interfere with the decision of the courts.
How will we all feel if our courts are not independent, even though some of us
use to say that the law is sometimes and ass.
Gentlemen , if some of us are not naive, surely we must be living in a cloud
cuckoo world. Can't history teach us anything folks???
Bye.
lang
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Date: Sat, 4 May 96 15:27:37 BST
From: L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
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Tony
You wrote:
> To the supporters and defenders of Jawara, let me tender my
> apologies if this should upset you but I hope that Jawara rots in exile.
> Just an opinion and a sincere expression of my sentiments.
> Thanks
> Tony
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One's case for democracy as opposed to military dictatorship is not a gesture
of support for Jawara. However i must add that there are some people who in
their sanctity of their conscience through the ballot-box did support him.
Those people's judgement should not be abused or disregarded in such a manner.
A dislike for Jawara should not blind us to that fact. It will be the end of
civilization as we know it if violence is employed where one dislikes an
individual or government. Timorthy Mcveigh in Ocklahoma showed us what that can
lead to. Are you saying you support him but disagree on his tactics?. I don't
think so, its the PRINCIPLE we are trying to defend... NOT JAWARA.
Peace!
Lang
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 12:57:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Draft Constitution
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>
> Greetings:
>
> I have in my possession a copy of the new draft constitution! I would like to
> make it available to all of you but it is several pages long and at the moment
> I have very limited time. As some of you know this is finals period and I have
> quite a bit of grading to do (one of the many joys of a teacher).
>
> I may be able to do it sometime late next week. The other possibility is to
> bring it to the conference in D.C. and make several copies for distribution.
>
> LatJor
>
LatJor, please give me an estimate of cost of photocoy and postage I will send you reembusment.
I need a copy of the draft. Thanks
Malanding
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 14:38:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Fellas,
Behold! Behold! Ladies and Jentlemen. I think we have been
beating on the dead horse far too long. We need to refocus on the present
and ofcourse forge ahead for the future. Jammeh and Co. are on a slippery
slope and destined to, God forbid, to an authoritative military/civilian
type government. A replicate of Rawlings(Ghana) and Lansana Conteh(Guinea
Conakry). Either the brakes are applied now or we are forever to blame
ourshelves.
Let's get the conference going and make our views known to Jammeh
and Co. and the Gambian people. We have an obligation.
Au Revoir!
Yaya
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Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 22:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: The saga of militarism......
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Hi,
Lang, you make me proud to be a Gambian. You are right; no one
here is supporting Jawara. We are merely against tyranny and murder.
Condemning Jammeh and his silly "July 22nd" movement does not translate to
a support for Jawara. Personally, I think it is naive to be like/dislike
personalities. You have to look at the big picture. And for those of you
saying "well Jammeh might have killed a couple of people, but .... " , I
say think how you would feel if one of those killed was your relative.
And, remember that "peace of the graveyard" is a phrase coined by Wole
Soyinka a man who rejects and was victimized by the militarism that you
are supporting. Militarism has killed and send into exile the best sons
of Africa. Support it, but do not use without attribution the words of
such a victim. At this moment, the Nigerian military has people hunting
him to kill him. This phrase, funnily enough, was coined to denounce
militarism, not to support it. How sad... .
LatJorr, as I said before, I am ready to help with technical
aspects of the conference. The only problem seems to be that it might not
be economically feasible to put the conference on the internet in real
time. I do not know how many people plan to follow it on the 'net, but it
is somewhat expensive to put it on there. What do you think ?
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A. TOURAY.
(212) 749-7971
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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