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GAMBIA-L Digest 13
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: INTRODUCTIONS . . .
by "Famara A. Sanyang" <FAMARAAS@amadeus.cmi.no>
2) Re: Fwd: FW: Gemini News:SANDS OF TIME ARE RUNNING OUT FOR GAMBIAN BEACHES
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
3) Re: Fwd: FW: Gemini News:SANDS O
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
4) Re: Fwd: FW: Gemini News:SANDS O
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
5) Re: Refrendum August 7 on draft constitution.
by Sireh@aol.com
6) comments
by et121179@student.uq.edu.au (Mustapha Jallow)
7) Re: comments
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
8) Re: comments
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
9) New member
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
10) Agriculture in the Gambia
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
11) Re: New member
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
12) Greetings
by "BOJANG,MAMBUNA" <MBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
13) Re: New member
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
14) Re: comments
by L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
15) Re: New member
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
16) welcome
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
17) More new members
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
18) Re: New member
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
19) New Member
by Emery Dennis <emdennis@ix.netcom.com>
20) Re: New member
by SHAFTR@ucipm.ucdavis.edu
21) Agriculture in teh Gambia
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
22) New Member
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
23) Re: New member
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
24) Gambia-l (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
25) Re: New Member
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
26) Gambia-l (fwd)
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
27) New Member
by lrr.e15@hugheslink.geis.com
28) New Member
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
29) Gambia matters
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
30) I'm back again!
by Oumar Ndongo <ondongo@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu>
31) HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
32) re: Agriculture in teh Gambia
by SHAFTR@ucipm.ucdavis.edu
33) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
34) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
35) Re: new member
by C H Allen <C.H.Allen@ed.ac.uk>
36) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
37) Re: new member
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
38) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
39) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
40) Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
41) Re: The meeting(s)
by Tuttyramou@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:18:09 GMT+1
From: "Famara A. Sanyang" <FAMARAAS@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: INTRODUCTIONS . . .
Message-ID: <B849257C0C@amadeus.cmi.no>
I think this is a very good idea Morro. As a new member I know what
Morro is talking about. I think it would be much easier for me to
communicate if I have an idea of recipients of my postings.
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 17:15:43 CDT
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: INTRODUCTIONS . . .
> Gambia-l:
>
> I wonder how receptive the group is to a compilation of a brief bio on
> everyone. We can individually send basic information on ourselves--eg.
> name, current location, schools attended in The Gambia, current occupation
> or area of study, etc.--to the list managers.
>
> The compiled bios can be forwarded by subscription managers to new and
> existing list members so interested. New members especially are at a
> disadvantage in that they often have no idea who they're talking to on the
> list. Of course, the countervailing concern is one of security and I would
> understand if people feels a little queasy or don't want to entertain the
> idea at all.
>
> Morro.
>
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:25:19 -0400
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Gemini News:SANDS OF TIME ARE RUNNING OUT FOR GAMBIAN BEACHES
Message-ID: <199604211625.MAA12997@aspen>
I don't think I would like to criticise the author for getting some of her facts wrong. Certainly as Marong mentioned KSMD had a population much larger than 40000 and not 4000 in 1973.
However, the subject of global change such as sealevel rise and potential impact on land resources is of particular interest to me so I would like to put in a few remarks.
Indeed the problem of sea intrusion is not new in the Gambia. Infact there is local myth in Banjul that the sea will "swallow" Banjul one day. An expression very much referiing to sealevel rise. The problem aggrvating over the past 30 years is also a fact and this is supported by evidence erosion at Banjul cemetry.
I think one should be cautious when it comes to relating all these changes to the possible causes.
We know that sealevel is rising globally, a phenomenon very much attributed to global warming. Although still debated many scientists blame increase in fossil fuel (coal and petroleum) combustion and land cover conversion (forest clearing) as major causes of the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide which inturn traps solar radiation (the Green-house effect) thus increasing global temperatures (global warming). Ofcourse rise in sea level by 2 meters will "swallow up" Banjul for good. The situation could be much worst than losing that island alone. Many of you could have observed that salt water now gets beyond Kaur, up-river. A rise in sea level by that magnitude would effectively consume all present day flood plains upriver beyond Basang. Much of the upland areas west of Farafenni (south and north bank) will be lost to salt flats and ofcouse the ground waterin eavery inch of GAmbian land would be intruded upon rendering the country worst than a desert. Ofcourse this may !
not happen with intervention from all. However, it is a common reaction for some "green" (conservation minded) authors to be a little bit dramatic given the consequences of our inaction.
Overall I would like to question her about what happened to the Environmental Protection Agency which Marong mentioned? They have over the years attempted a lot of things for which they deserve some credit.
Also many experts will agree with me that sand mining is not the only bad one. While the author seems to suggest so I will take the blame further on to the existence of the very tourist facilities she suggest are threatened by sand mining. Although not supported by research, many observed that the location of certain facilities along the beach had a much greater role. The Sunwing hotel and the GPMB facilities in Barra for instance. Although far apart, the Barra facilities have altered the dynamics of erosion and deposition along the estuary. It would not be difficult to suggest that if the Barra facility is not there, the sand now deposited there would evetually find its way to Banjul. In order not to fall in the same position as the author, I will leave my claims to that until we have some work done in the area.
This ofcourse gives us the chance to make something out of the opportunities present by the article. The issue of development and environment is still and will be an important matter for the Gambia for a long time to come. As the author indicated in her last two paragraphys, government policy has a great role to play but the challenge is really ours, the researchers. I believe we should augment the efforts of our collegues in Agriculture and Natural Resources and EPA to fully understand the problem. If there are other interseted folks out there I will be glad we link up and take the discussion further.
The bottom line is we need to understand how actions in Bajnul affect Koina whether it is politics, economics or the physical placement of facilities and structures in order to institute an integrated sustainable development plan for that small country of ours.
God bless you all
Malanding
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 10:59:45 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Gemini News:SANDS O
Message-ID: <9604221459.AA13987@mx3.u.washington.edu>
Malanding:
You may want to reconfigure you screen. You postings tend to have a few
letters/words chopped off at the right end of the page.
Morro.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:40:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Gemini News:SANDS O
Message-ID: <199604221940.PAA04268@cedar.ffr.mtu.edu>
>
> Malanding:
>
> You may want to reconfigure you screen. You postings tend to have a few
> letters/words chopped off at the right end of the page.
>
> Morro.
>
Thanks Morro
Malanding
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:20:47 -0400
From: Sireh@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Refrendum August 7 on draft constitution.
Message-ID: <960423022047_519884080@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Hi collegues:
here is a news extract from Reuters news wire about The Gambia. There
definately no elections set for July. Do any of you have a copy of the
draft? if so please share it with the group.
thanks.
Sarjo
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BANJUL, April 21 (Reuter) - The people of Gambia will vote in a
referendum on August 7 to approve a new constitution to return the West
African country to democratic rule, the electoral commission announced on
Sunday.
Soldiers overthrew the civilian government of Sir Dawda Jawara in a coup
in July 1994.
The commission said earlier this month civilian-rule elections originally
set for July would have to be put back because of delays in registering
voters. No new poll date has been announced.
15:52 04-21-96
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:58:32 +1000
From: et121179@student.uq.edu.au (Mustapha Jallow)
To: Gambia-L:@student.uq.edu.au
Subject: comments
Message-ID: <v01520d01ada1c9f93a5e@[130.102.90.167]>
Hi Pals, This message was sent yesterday, but I'm not sure whether it went=
through or not. I just had a mail delivery, so will try again. Sorry if it=
is a duplicate.
I'm not condoning any perpetuation of military rule in The Gambia, neither=
to I believe The Gambian constitution has ever included any provision for=
the military to intervene and outstead a democratically elected government.=
However our situation was unique, since independence our politicians have=
contributed immensely to the failure of democracy in our beloved country.=
Corruption, victimisation, vindictiveness and persecution of the ordinary=
Gambian was the order of the day during Jawara's 30 years of leadership,=
and the 1981 attempted cuop d'etat and the events that followed still=
lingers in our memories. With the millions of dollars pump in to the Gambia=
by donor organisations, there was no justification for the hardship, and=
lack of vital amenities. The ordinary Gambians was marginalised,=
alienated, and totally unconscious of his/her fundamental human rights. =
This was Jawara's style of democracy, and was help perpetuated by few=
selfish, naive and opportunistic Gambian's.=20
There was a strong urge among all concerned Gambia for a change, and=
this unfortunately was not forthcoming through the ballot box. The July=
22nd mutiny that lead to Jawara's ousted came at the right time, and=
Jammmeh and the AFPRC were seen as heroes by many Gambian. Without any=
doubts the present regime have archive what Fafa and friends did not in=
thirty years, and the AFPRC deserves a pat on the back. However, Jammeh=
should be committed to the transition program, conduct elections and=
return the country to The Gambian people to ensure his credibility.=20
The stimulating discussions on the "Election and No Election "=
issue reaffirm our commitments to the political process. Democracy is a=
culture which has to be learned, practised and treated with a great deal of=
caution and respect, and I believe we have to start from the grassroots=
level. In my view to ensure the success of democracy with our next civilian=
government is to make sure that those we accept as leaders are clearly=
committed, have a strong vision of the future, and accountable to the=
Gambian people. If civilian politician were exercising government with=
some sense of responsibility, we would not have witness all the military=
coups in Africa. I sincerely hope that we have learnt from the experience=
of the past thirty years, and be honest with ourselves. what do you think?
Cheers, ONJARAMA, ALNINBARA, SIJAMA.
Tapha
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:11:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: comments
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960423124255.20316A-100000@saul7.u.washington.edu>
Well spoken Tapha. I do not believe that your original posting came
through the list, at least for me I did not receive it. So, I doubt
whether it was a duplication.
I agree with all the points you outlined and it seemed as if I was
reading my own mind. Off course, I believe in civilian rule and do not
condone military governments. However, as I have stated before once in
this forum, Yaya Jammeh had the moral imperative for the overthrow of the
Jawara regime given all all facts you have stated ranging from the
corruption, ineptitude and all the other negative factors in his 32 years
of rule and his party which ultimately led the massive deterioration of
the infrastructure and more suffering of the masses. Given all those
factors, something had to be done since the African norm is a lifetime
rule by leaders. Off course, we can argue about the illegalities of
democratically elected governments being overthrow thrown by military
personel. I do not care what anybody says or thinks, but I stand by my
point that Jawara government was not a true democracy in the real western
sense as we always like to draw parallels. However, I have to admit that
Jawara was a shrewd leader who successfully duped the West and promoted an
image of democracy for his government. I am sure that these are
controversial points and are thus debatable. Anyway, most of you in
this forum have voiced similar opinions of The Jawara government. Since,
Jawara is now out of the way, he should not be our focal point of
discussion. Instead we should concentrate on Yaya Jammmeh and the AFPRC.
Yaya Jammeh and AFPRC would have gone down in Gambian history as
heroes and saviours of the nation from the 32 of decadency under Jawara
and his cronies. Unfortunately, they overstayed their welcome and inclined
on holding on to power. Let me just make it clear that my position should
not be misconstrued as an endorsement of the AFPRC. My wish like everyone of
you is to see them retreat to the barracks and leave the job of ruuning
the country into the hands of capable and honest civilians.
That is just what I want to add on to Tapha's eloquent
writings.
Thanks
Tony
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
=========================================================================
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:06:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu
Subject: Re: comments
Message-ID: <199604240306.XAA06293@cedar.ffr.mtu.edu>
Content-Type: text
Hi folks,
I was going through some papers from the Gambia and came across
these. I am sure some of you have seen it before but it is no doubt
interesting. It is the national security (detention of Persons)
Decree and the amendments that followed.
-start-
National Security (Detention of Persons) Decree 1995
Decreee No. 57, Amendments, Decreees 59 and 66
Short title and Commencement 1. This decree may be cited as the
National Security (Detention of Persons) Decree, 1995 and shall
be deemed to have come into force on the 22nd July, 1995.
Application 2. The provisions of this Decree shall not apply to
members of the The Gambia Armed Forces and the Gambia Police
Force.
Power to make detention orders 3. (1) The Minister of the
Interior may where he is satisfied that the arrest and detention
of a person is in the interest of the security, peace, and
stability of the The Gambia, order the arrest and detention of
such person.
(2) The order for the arrest and detention of a person under the
subsection (1) shall be in the form prescribed in the Shedule I,
and such order may be made with such conditions as the Minister
of Interior may determine.
Limitation Period 4. A person who is arrested and detained under
this Decree shall be brought before the Supreme Court within
ninety days from the date of his arrest.
Section 4 amended by Decree No. 66 Jan 15 1996. Section 4
renumbered as 4(1) and new subsection (2) added
(2) Nowithstanding subsection (1), if the Minister of Interior
is satisfied that the continued detention of any such person is
necessary in the interest of the security of the Gambia, he may
order an extension of the detention of such person for a further
period of Ninety days.
Power of court to remand or grant bail 5. A judge before whom a
person arrested and detained under this Decree is brought may
remand such a person in custody for such reasonable period as the
court may determine; or may grant such person bail on such terms
and conditions.
Section 5 repealed by amendment Decree 59 and rewritten as
5. Any person who is arrested and detained under the Principal
Decree who is not released within ninety days shall be brought
before a Court, which may remand such person in custody for such
reasonable period, or grant such person bail on such terms and
conditions as the court may determined.
Revocation of Detention Order 6. The Minister of Interior may at
any time during the ninety days period of detention of any person
revoke, the detention order made under this Decree with respect
to theat person.
Restriction of habeas corpus application 7. An application for
writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum shall not lie at the
instance of any person arrested and detained under this Decree or
on behalf of such person.
Indemnity 8. No suit, prosecution or other legal proceeding shall
lie against any person for anything done under this Decree.
Signed
Yaya jammeh, The Chairman and head of State.
-end-
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960424084337.13344B-100000@saul7.u.washington.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
A new member by the name of Lamin Jagne has been added to our list. Let
me take this opportunity and ask Lamin to write and formally introduce himself
to Gambia-l.
Thanks
Tony
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
=========================================================================
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:59:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Agriculture in the Gambia
Message-ID: <199604241559.LAA15465@aspen>
Content-Type: text
Hi folks,
I have a questions relating to croppingin the Gambia.
Has there been any attempt by the Government or
local folks in MID to plant corn or maize in the flood plains? I mean
those areas used for growing rice. If there has been I would like to
know more about it. And overall what may have prevented us from doing
something like that?
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:04:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <199604241604.MAA15476@aspen>
Content-Type: text
Tony, I have tried but failed to retrieve Janko and Baba's address
from the many mail folders I have here. Our system over here had had few changes since January and I do not not have easy access to many old records.
However the two were on the list just before the move to gambia-l. In any case I will keep searching to get them established again.
thanks.
Malanding
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:13:17 EST
From: "BOJANG,MAMBUNA" <MBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Greetings
Message-ID: <24APR96.13199408.0073.MUSIC@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
Fellow Gambians,
"Bravo" for all the interesting and intellectual discussions that have
been going on for the past couple of weeks about the so-called "No Elect
ion Movement". Like most of us, I honestly agree that Captain Jammeh and
his cohort should stick to what they promised the Gambians - democratic-
ally elect a civilian president in July, 1996. I think this is unanimous
ly carried among the list members.Great! Contrary to popular suggestion,
I suggest we look into circumstances that are giving Captain Jammeh a
second thought on the election issue.What are these circumstances?
I) The peasants are encouraging him to stay, why?
Most likely, because he is the only one who can ensure that they atleast
gain something form their harvest. It really hurts when you spend the
whole summer with your Dad on the farm only to realize in september
that the Dalasi value of your harvest cannot even cover your one year
bill (tuition, books, uniforms, fare, etc.) at Saint Augustine's or
Gambia high school. It hurts even more to see your coleagues who spend
their summer in England or the U.S enjoying what you and your Dad has
been ripped-off. These and countless forms of peasant exploitation
prevailed under Jawara and his rapacious government for 30 long years.
Shouldn't the peasants then have a reason to keep Jammeh?
II) People charged with corruption have not yet cleared their fines.
Can we have a civilian leader who will reinforce the payment of
those fines?
I personally don't think so, and unless we can have someone who is
willing to take all insults by reinforcing the payments of those
charges, I don't think its as bad as many people think for Jammeh to
continue ruling. The Gambia is no ones personal fiefdom. Jawara and his
cohort have lived luxuriously at the expense and yarning of the vast
majority,so its nothing cruel to make them atone to their evil they did
to the majority. Let us not forget too soon that Jawara himself has
arrested and jailed people, Gambians.
III) Other than the negative aspects of Yahya's regime, if there is
any, let us also take a look at the positive aspects. Among many
other things, civil servants are reporting on time to work, or
atleast improving their attitude at work.
What else could contribute more to our country's development than the
punctuality and better work attitudes of our civil servants. Under
Jawara's regime, we 've been paying people for what they don't work for.
I 'm not saying Jammeh should stay for life, but I do want him to stay
and clear those corruption charges, since you and I will just be hauling
from far away United States and will not be willing to take the respons-
ibility he is taking. I do understand that military is not the solution
to our problems, but,like someone put it before,"DO WE HAVE THE LIKES OF
WOLE SOYINKA OR NELSON MANDELA?'", OR ARE WE JUST FIGHTING FOR ANOTHER
JAWARA GOVERNMENT SO WE THE "SCHOOLED" CAN GO AND FATTEN OUR POCKETS AT
THE EXPENCE OF THE "UNSCHOOLED?"
GOD BLESS!
PA.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960424095146.2494A-100000@saul6.u.washington.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Malanding, if you can give me the names of the universities that they are
are attending and their full names, I will try and telnet into their
directories and attempt to get their email addresses in reference to Baba
and Janko.
Thanks
Tony
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 18:46:36 BST
From: L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: comments
Message-ID: <9604241746.AA23277@hpl.lut.ac.uk>
Hi Folks,
It is amazing and indeed ironic to be reading from many of you that during
30 years of Jawara rule, there had never been any development programmes.
Let us sit and have a moment's reflection that its economic prudence in the
long term that yields results than short term popularity seeking adventures.
Recall that Gambia has never been endowed with any of the natural resources
our neighbours seem to be enjoying. Gambia may lack behind her neighbours in
terms of infrastructural development but our people had a better standard of
living than them. How many times have we seen graduates from these
countries, coming to the Gambia to takeup unqualified teacher's teaching posts
in our primary schools.
For example, Ghana with coco, Nigeria with oil,Sierra-Leone with Diamonds. Can
economists in our midst please remind us the economic state of affairs of
the Gambia compared to those countries prior to the coup.
I am with the opinion that there is no moral justification for the forceful
removal of a democratically elected government especially with the barrel of
the gun.
Whatever happened under Jawara rule can happen and is still happening in
almost every country in this world and Gambia today is no exception.
I am tempted to answer and challenge all those arguments which favour Jawara's
removal by military means, however i will leave my thoughts to history.
Peace.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:12:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <199604241912.PAA04143@forest3.ffr.mtu.edu>
Content-Type: text
>
>
>
> Malanding, if you can give me the names of the universities that they are
> are attending and their full names, I will try and telnet into their
> directories and attempt to get their email addresses in reference to Baba
> and Janko.
> Thanks
> Tony
>
Tony, they are Janko S.B. Fofana and Baba Jaiteh all at Western Illinois University at macomb.
Thanks
Malanding
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:17:54 -0400
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@auc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: welcome
Message-ID: <199604241917.PAA16296@auc.edu>
I would like to welcome William Baker aka M'Baye to our group. He lives
in Saudi Arabia! We look forward to his formal introduction to the group.
Welcome to the new folks also.
LatJor
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: More new members
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Malanding, Janko Fofana and Baba Jaiteh are now subscribed. I was able to
get their email addresses from Western Illinois.
Also, I have added another new member, a Liberian by the name of
Dennis Emery whom I met in Leonenet who is interested in joining us. So,
we will be expecting to getting introductions from our 3 newest members
Thanks
Tony
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100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
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Date: 24 Apr 1996 21:15:32 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <647101.2445310@inform-bbs.dk>
gambia-l@u.washington.edu,Internet wrote at 18:47 on 24/04/96
about "Re: New member":
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>Tony, I have tried but failed to retrieve Janko and Baba's address
>from the many mail folders I have here. Our system over here had had few
>changes since January and I do not not have easy access to many old records.
>However the two were on the list just before the move to gambia-l. In any
case
>I will keep searching to get them established again.
>
>thanks.
>
>Malanding
Here is the previous mailing list.
Compilation Date: Nov. 6, 1995
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Name City, State/Country e-mail address
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Katim S. Touray Madison, Wisconsin touray@calshp.cals.wisc.edu
Joseph (Roddie) Cole Berkeley, California rcole@ced.berkeley.edu
Malanding S. Jaiteh Houghton, Michigan msjaiteh@mtu.edu
Dr. Amadou Janneh Knoxville, Tennesee ajanneh@pstcc.cc.tn.us
Janko Fofana Macomb, Illinois mujsbf@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Babou O. Jobe Madison, Wisconsin jobe@calshp.cals.wisc.edu
Tony Loum Seattle, Washington tloum@u.washington.edu
Sarian Loum California sarian.loum@eng.sun.com
mansala@aol.com
Sarjo Atlanta, Georgia sirehb@aol.com
Momodou Camara Copenhagen, Denmark momodou@inform-bbs.dk
Baba Jaiteh Macomb, Illinois b-jaiteh@bgu.edu
Dr. Sammy Bruce Oliver Davis, California shaftr@ucipm.ucdavis.edu
Lamin Drammeh Oslo, Norway lamin.drammeh@bio.uib.no
Summary Stats:
Total: 14 (or 13 if Sarjo has 2 addresses listed)
Male: 13
Female: 1
US: 12
Denmark 1
Norway 1
----------------------- End of info on our Group -------------------------
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:44:59 -0400
From: Emery Dennis <emdennis@ix.netcom.com>
To: Gambia-1 <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: New Member
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Dear Gambia-1-netters,
Hello!
My name is Emery Dennis, a Liberian citizen, residing in Somerset, New Jersey.
Let me start by saying that some of my best friends are Gambian. ;-)
Actually, my best friend from elementary school is Gambian. I recently saw a
posting from Tony Loum on Leonenet and requested to be subscribed to Gambia-1.
Apart from my obvious interest in fellow Africans, I feel that we need to
cross-pollinate our ideas to help solve our considerable obstacles.
Please accept me as a "peeper", until I am knowledgeable enough to participate. It
seems that some of the best brains of Africa are in this Diaspora.
I understand that you have a closed subscription, so if there are any questions
that you need to ask me, please feel free to reach me at <emdennis@ix.netcom.com>.
See you on the net!
Regards,
Emery Dennis
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Date: 24 Apr 96 17:06:11 PDT
From: SHAFTR@ucipm.ucdavis.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <9604250003.AA26389@mx3.u.washington.edu>
Tony,
is this the stuff you need on Janko Fofana <mujsbf@uxa.ccu.bgu>
and Baba Jaiteh <b-jaiteh@bgu.edu>? I have a list of people
on the list that Katim put together awhile ago. Jah Jeff! Sam.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:44:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Agriculture in teh Gambia
Message-ID: <199604250244.WAA07260@cedar.ffr.mtu.edu>
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Hi folks,
Back again with somemore agric matters. Before I think I should give a
brief backgroud to my search. I am interested in understanding how
the land cover around us (in the Gambia) came to be the way it is. To
do that one cannot leave agriculture alone. For those who were present
in the 50s and early 60s would agree that areas between Serre Kunda
and Sukuta or even Bakau were nearly no-go areas because of thick
bushes and Forests. The story is the same for the whole country. Many
would also remember that the 60s and 70s (immediately after
independence)the newly form government tried to improve the lives of the
Gambian.
Agriculture(groundnuts and the like) became the order of the life for many
Gambians.
My interest is how did this (all out war on the forests in the name of
agriculture) really started? Please excuse my Forestry bias but I will
be glad if Agric folks could correct me. I guess what I want to know
is what prompted the then government to put all their eggs in the
agriculture basket? Was it that they the newly formed government had
already found the country's eggs in the agricultural basket
as designed by their predecessors the then Colonial admins or they
just could not find another basket good enough to hold the eggs (that
is no other alternative policy option)?
I guess now that we know what agriculture has done for us, knowing what
really happened may help us think about what we want to do about the
future.
God bless you all.
Malanding
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 10:01:48 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member
Message-ID: <9604251401.AA17682@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Welcome to Gambia-l Dennis.
Morro
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: New member
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Sammy, yes that was the stuff and they have been added. Hopefully, we will
be hearing from them soon.
Thanks
Tony
On 24 Apr 1996 SHAFTR@ucipm.ucdavis.edu wrote:
> Tony,
> is this the stuff you need on Janko Fofana <mujsbf@uxa.ccu.bgu>
> and Baba Jaiteh <b-jaiteh@bgu.edu>? I have a list of people
> on the list that Katim put together awhile ago. Jah Jeff! Sam.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:22:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Gambia-l (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92a.960425082006.12493B-100000@saul5.u.washington.edu>
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Hi Everybody,
I got this request from Scotland. So, I am going ahead and add this
interested person.
Thanks
Tony
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:19:58 +0100
From: C H Allen <C.H.Allen@ed.ac.uk>
To: tloum@u.washington.edu
Subject: Gambia-l
Dear Mr Loum
Can you tell me how to subscribve to your Gambia mailing list. Apart from
my general interest as an Africanist academic, I retain very fond memories
of research (and relaxation) in Banjul in the late 1960s.
Yours
Chris Allen
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Scotland URL: <http://www.ed.ac.uk/~cha/>
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:33:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New Member
Message-ID: <199604251533.LAA04576@forest3.ffr.mtu.edu>
Content-Type: text
I say a big welcome to all the new members out there. I hope
yourselves on the Superhighway.
Malanding
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 12:23:40 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Gambia-l (fwd)
Message-ID: <9604251623.AA08057@mx5.u.washington.edu>
Mr. Allen:
I spent some time in Scotland in mid '80s. We'll have to
talk more. Welcome to Gambia-l.
Morro.
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 17:18:00 UTC 0000
From: lrr.e15@hugheslink.geis.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member
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Greetings to all (Nangan Def)
My name is William Baker, or M'Baye, if you prefer. I am an American but
reside in Senegal. My wife Fatou and son Daouda are there also. I
currently work in Saudi Arabia. Prior I lived and worked under subcontract
to NASA in Dakar on and off from 1984-1994. As you may or not know, there
are NASA interests in Banjul also. I have been to Banjul and Serre Kunda
and have friends there and my wife also has friends and family members
there. I also was sponsor to a child in Bwiam through The Christian
Children's Fund and she and her cousin came to visit me in Dakar several
times. I have not been to Banjul since the governmental changes but my
wife has.
I am not very knowledgeable as to all the events going on in Gambia. The
news I get here is through the French CFI shortwave broadcast for Africa.
My French is not that good but I understand quite a bit. I know there is
turmoil in Cassamance region of Senegal. This is one reason I have
subscribed to the group. To get news of the region, I hope, and in English.
Hopefully as time passes I will get the interests of the members sorted
out and can make worthwhile contributions.
I also might add, that my twice a year vacations are spent in Dakar. My
next one is in June. So if anyone wishes a message passed to a friend in
Dakar or vicinity ( I actually live in Sebikotane), just ask.
Regards,
M'Baye
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 14:44:36 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member
Message-ID: <9604251844.AA00398@mx4.u.washington.edu>
Mr. Baker:
Welcome to Gambia-l. For all those who have recently joined and I
have not welcomed, we're happy to have you. Mr. M'baye/Baker, I see
you have spent a bit of time in our area. I look forward to
your contributions.
Morro.
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu
Subject: Gambia matters
Message-ID: <199604251921.PAA16942@aspen>
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Well said Mambuna. At first I wanted to agree with you but on
second thought I would not.
I think the Gambia or any other country need more from its
government than making scapegoats out of its civil service in the
name of helping the farmers. Yes the Gambia needs some discipline
in the civil service. Yes someone ought to institute that. But I
do not think we can get discipline or rule of law by sending
loose agents whose actions cannot be questioned by any legal
means. Do we know what it means when denied "writ of habeas
corpus ad subjiciendum"? It means that you or any body has no
authority to question the lawfulness of what action is taken
against you. What kind of culture are we creating when actions
taken by executive branch of the country and the agents cannot be
questioned? In almost every decree I have seen the clause "No
suit, prosecution or other legal proceeding shall lie against any
person for anything done under this decree". I think the phrases
"legal" and "anything done ..." should be read closely in this
statement.
There are people who have in the past lived descent lives in the
Gambia and are now subjected to the many restrictions and
violations this regulations brought with them. People who even
tried to work for Jammeh are now subjected to restrictions
regarding their movement because they do not conform to his
standards. Many cannot travel within the Gambia much more outside
the Gambia or take up any job just because they are no more among
the favored people. I would not call names for those person's
safety.
I think we should recognize some of the goodies that came out
their coming but, being the prosecution, the judge and
executioner or the savior only makes one a dictator. To avoid
that in any society the concept of a constitution or custom is
established. The constitution is supposed to determine the powers
and duties of government and to serve protect people from its
excesses. And I think it should be very there to be reorganized
by any group of people or government for the sake of facilitating
that group or government's rule over the people.
That brings us to why I happen to be those who are against the
revision. First of all why revising the constitution? Who really
benefits from a revised constitution. Who could revise a
constitution and what steps do one need to take before one can
revise the constitution?
It may sound another intellectual debate but answers to these
questions may help determine when and why would a country require
a lawful constitution review and ofcourse who reviews it. I think
the answer is a simple one. The review of the constitution is to
make the AFPRC a legal organization. Correct me if I am wrong or
you consult the Decree nos 1 and 30 to validate my point. Decree
1 deals with the constitution of the Gambia (suspension and
modification) Decree, 1994. The following statements from Decree
30 , Arm Forces Provisional Ruling Council (Establishment) Decree
1995 will give you an idea of where they stand. it reads:
-begin quote-
WHEREAS on Friday the 22nd day of July 1994 it became necessary
for the Armed Forces Provisional Ruling Council to assume the
reins of Government of the Sovereign Republic of the Gambia in
the interest of the citizenry of the Gambia;
AND WHEREAS it is necessary that the machinery should be
established for the proper administration of the Republic of the
Gambia and for the due establishment of genuine democracy;
NOW THEREFORE, in the consequence of the said assumption of power
this Decree is hereby made.
Preliminary 1. (1) This decree may be cited as the Armed Forces
Provisional Ruling Council (Establishment) Decree
1995
(2) This Decree shall be deemed to have come into force
on 22nd July, 1994 and for the avoidance of doubt, any
power exercised by the Council or any action taken by
the Council shall be deemed to have been exercised or
take in pursuance of this Decree.
-end quote-
I don't think I need to go any further than this. A few questions
we can ask ourselves are what are they really trying to do? Why
this Decree 8 months after taking over office?
I believe there are reasons for us to be skeptics of the military
junta after all whatever good they do will only help but any bad
could only make the already bad situation worst.
God bless you all.
Malanding
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Oumar Ndongo <ondongo@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: I'm back again!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960425110553.5482A@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu>
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Mbokka from Senegambia,
It's been a while since i intervened in the debate.The reason you
gather I was away to visit a few institutions in the the US Midwest.When
I came back,I tried to catch up with information but to no avail.There
was too much I could read and do my reasearch correctly.However, I was
struck by the news that Katim has resigned.I don't know the man but from
what i read by and on him the list has lost an invaluable member although
i did not agree with some of his ideas. But ,as someone has said ,who
cares? We are not here to agree.We have different backgrounds, different
histories and most probably different views on how to improve the lives
of our people.
However, I believe that Katim's resignation needs a closer look.
The first hypothesis has been examined and i find opinions expressed in
that regard brilliantly appropriate if the reasons are the ones Katim
himself acknowledged.How can we see our countries as havens of democratic
practices if we see our words as gospel truths? I don't want to repeat
Amadou and other contributors.I share their views.I fathom that there is
a second hypothesis, Katim resign for reasons " the rules" constituted
just the tip of the iceberg, then we have to dig and see what is there.I
have respect for him but i want to push further,I am
under the impression that other things can be examined. It would be a
pretense from me to try to tell Katim's dreams to borrow a phrase from the
Wolof but i connect his resignation to an idea which cropped up a couple
of times: opening up the list to unknown people could lead to exposure,
therefore insecurity is a threat to those who initiated the list.
Katim,if i have exact memories of his positions ,was anticipating on
problems which are quite common in our countries especially when the
group becomes so vocal about the future and proposing actions instead of
words.I have nothing against it but have worked in even clandestine
organizations to feel discordant voices within the group to conflict with
objectives this medium was assigned to in its initial phase. Meeting in
Atlanta could be discussed but must be most appropriately in the hands of
a different structure which can obviously draw on the listserve
members.If political parties are banned in the Gambia,professional
associations like the Lawyers or The community of scholars or any other
grouping in the intelligentsia can issue an open letter or draw a
declaration to express concern about the situation of the country. What
is true is that Gambia-l can serve as a think tank with the diversity of
its members.Some have been quite honest with themselves and have seen what
has changed in the country to motivate the peasants's support to Jammeh
for election.Others, also with the same honesty, have grounded their
arguments on principles: military regime is enough in Africa.For whatever
Jammeh has done for his country, silencing opposition is inacceptable and
is a patronizing attitude, therefore must quit. To sum up,Katim's
resignation could foster reflection on what we can do together and what
must be transferred to other instances.I have no doubts on Katim's
militancy once again but I feel that there is fear somewhere .I use fear
for lack of a better term.Besides,we know how our leaders
react,especially military regimes who know clearly that their lives are
in constant danger and apply the strategy"I kill you before you kill me. We
also know that the grapevine,somebody has said it, is like "Sandaga".
I have been too long again but when I saw the Video made of
Jammeh's press conference with the two Senegalese reporters, I found that
there is an emphasis on Islam which to tome to be dangerous for our
countries with our secular traditions.Although I am a Muslim,I have real
concerns as to where Jammeh wants to go with his Islam.Is it a way of
getting older people( the majority of peasants) to connect with him?Is it
a way of turning to Arab countries for funding? Or both? As I don't know
the man I would be interested in clarifications from you.
It's been a pleasure given my contribution and look forward to
your comments.Nothing will hurt me. Wa salam.
Oumar\Senegal
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 16:32:17 CDT
From: <JDG.L.LANGE.LWCLK@CO.HENNEPIN.MN.US>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <9604252032.AA16689@mx4.u.washington.edu>
Gambia-l:
I promised to get back to Roddie regarding his last posting.
I was hoping that time would improve his disposition,
and he would retract. It has not, and he has not. In light of recent
postings, I see the cancer flourishes. Tapha's posting of the 23rd is
just as foul. Et tu Tony? I really did not expect that one. You
do not care what anyone thinks? Wow . . . For some reason, I cared
a great deal about what you thought. I cannot begin to explain the
tragedy that logically flows from your stated positions. With every praise
of the AFPRC, I can see a severed limb, a bloodied nose, a bashed skull, a
charred body, a field of slaughter. Sometimes I despair.
Democracy is a grave, individual responsibility. I am entitled to no
greater say than the rest of us. It is about the guarantee of basic human
decency to and for all. Decency starts with respect . . . respect for others
(and their legal choices). It comes down to bestowing as much respect
upon that (legal) choices of others as we do on ours. It is not
only prudent, God demands it. But once in a while, we get caught up in
ourselves and forget. And like a lost and stiff-necked people, we lead the
wicked ways. Our knowledge is the knowledge of the damned for it is
without respect. Pride quickly turns to arrogance and arrogance
brings us a step closer to our doom.
I look around Africa and I keep thinking there is a lesson somewhere
in this misery. But we keep missing it and we keep forsaking the Will
of God. I do not know what will become of us. But I do know that a
people as great as the son of God, have become worthy of the Curse of
Ham. Have a little respect for the choice of others. Have some damn
respect!
Morro
Date: 25 Apr 96 15:31:15 PDT
From: SHAFTR@ucipm.ucdavis.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: re: Agriculture in teh Gambia
Message-ID: <9604252228.AA10844@mx3.u.washington.edu>
Malanding,
I worked at Sapu in 1978/79 and made frequent
trips to MID from 1983-86 while a member of the
Crop Protection Dept. My recollection may be a bit
hazy but I do not believe maize cultivation is
practiced in the flood plains (akin to Jahalley Patchar).
I suspect this crop won't do well under such conditions
(i.e., root system continously under water). I am
not a plant physiologist or agronomist but it seems
to me that because flooding is good for rice production
(rice varieties have to be selected for this kind
of ecology) that doesn't necessarily translate into
a similar beneficial response for maize. Will try to
review the literature and get a more authoritative
word on this subject.
On the issue of loss of forests, can point
to not only agriculture (which makes sense) but also
to significant population growth in tandem with
economic development and years of drought, as culprits.
Wouldn't characterize the situation as an all out
war on forests by any means. Farmers have tapped
the resources of the forests for years because of
need (firewood, agro-forestry, fruits) without govt.
pressuring them to do so. As a matter of fact, in
recent years, govt. has been instrumental in saving
forest lands through discouraging slash and burn
agriculture, designation of certain forest areas as
no farming areas as well as establishment of wood/charcoal
feed lots (areas planted to trees for firewood).
Should be obvious to everyone that agriculture
is the only sensible and for that matter feasible route
for the economic development of Gambia. In the absence
of an endowment of abundant mineral resources, a critical
mass of trained people (>80% illiteracy), we don't seem
to have a comparative advantage in any area except
what our tropical weather and the range of ecologies
offers us in the way of possible crops/vegetable/fruits
to produce. Thus the issue of putting our eggs in one
basket is a non-starter. Could argue about what crops
to produce but farmers already have sorted that out.
In most areas, groundnuts/peanuts (a legacy of the
colonial period), have given way to food crops like
maize and for good reason (feed yourself first and
your family and sell your surplus for cash rather
than concentrating on cash crops like groundnuts).
You seem to think that agriculture hasn't done
anything for the country. On the contrary, whatever
progress has been made in Gambia is largely because
of what we've been able to achieve in the agricultural
sector. There is some revenue from tourism but there's
been a boom in exports of fresh produce and fruits
to Europe with the involvement of urban businessmen
and civil servants (e.g., ex-president Jawara). What
we need for the future are among other things good
agricultural research and extension institutions to
adequately address farmer problems, and better schools
to produce an educated populace to meet our needs.
Right on Lang! Couldn't have put it better. Seems to
me there is quite an exaggeration about what Gambia
was like under the previous regime. There was both
good and bad. The bad definitely not to the point
where it outweighed the good. There also some good points
about the present regime. However, in due course when
as the french say we make the 'bilan', then and only
then can we come to terms with what has happened.
Chi Jaam! Sam.
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
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Morro, being in agreement with Tapha's last postings in regards to Jawara
and the Yaya Jammeh regimes is not an indication of disrespect to you or
anybody else. I merely agreed with his views and made it unequivocally
clear that I am not endorsing Yaya Jammeh and the AFPRC. I still believe
that once the cancer had been removed ( Jawara and his corrupt cronies ),
they should have handed power back to an interim civilian government until
a fair and open elections could be held. I still espouse the position that
the Jawara Regime was corrupt, inefficient and undemocratic and so do the
majority of people in this forum. Very people in the clique along with
their beneficiaries and relatives benefited from the 32 years of Jawara's
rule while the majority suffered. That is my justification for the support
of his coup d'etat. Off course, I am not expecting everybody to agree with
me on my positions regarding Jawara, but I will certainly not regard it as
disrespect to me if anyone disagrees with me. We have to learn to disagree
without being disagreable. That is my last word on that.
Oumar/Senegal, welcome back. I missed your opinions. I was getting
worried that for some reasons, you were boycotting us. But anyway, it is
nice to have you back.
Thanks
Tony
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:59:51 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <199604260555.OAA17849@mlsv.iuj.ac.jp>
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Yes, I agree with tony. Without reference to any particular posting, I
submit that we word our subject heading in such a way that it leaves
all of us satisfied. To my mind, Morro's last posting had a strong heading.
It could have been more appropriately worded. In that vein, I allign
myself with Tony, and express that we are here to disagree. It is only
then that we can further the cause of our country.
Peace to Oumar(S). We missed your postings. Glad you are back with
much vigour. In response to one of your queries, I think Jammeh is
using religion to achieve both the reasons you postulated. Although
a couple of international news postings made passing reference to his
rhetorics on Islam, it will surprise me if this is taken so seriously
by those who are really concerned about the resurgence of so-called
`Islamic fundamentalism'. As far as I know, the west is more worried
about that in Senegal than in the Gambia for obvious reasons. Senegal
has more international political clout than Gambia, among other things-
this I am obliged to concede.
Mambuna's posting was insightful, although I thought it was positively
skewed toward the past regime. However, it provided a balance in the
discourse on this forum. One of the lessons from his posting that I
found interesting is that we should no longer belabour on the vices of
the Jawara regime, rather we should marshall our efforts toward the
status quo and ways of improving our countries. Please, let us heed
this wise thinking.
Bye!
Lamin Drammeh.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:25:28 +0100
From: C H Allen <C.H.Allen@ed.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: new member
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I have just joined this list. I am a political scientist working at
Edinburgh University, with a general interest in African politics. I
worked on the Gambia many years ago -in the 1960s - and still have happy
memories of the help and welcome that I received,
Professionally, I am co-editor of the Review of African Political Economy
(published since 1974) and compiler-editor of the annual Africa
Bibiography, publisher for the International African Institute.
Chris Allen
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C H Allen Email: c.h.allen@ed.ac.uk
Department of Politics Phone: (0)131-650-4248
31 Buccleuch Place
Edinburgh EH8 9JT Fax: (0)131-650-6546
Scotland URL: <http://www.ed.ac.uk/~cha/>
Editor: Africa Bibliography (Edinburgh UP for International African Institute)
Managing Editor: Review of African Political Economy (Carfax)
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:40:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
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Morro:
"son of God"?
Amadou
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:45:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: new member
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Welcome to a fellow political scientist and all other new members for
that matter.
This is a very busy part of the semester; so excuse my uncharacteristic
silence.
The Atlanta meeting and similar activities will be conducted independent
of Gambia-l; but I hope we can use the list to engage in discussions
on the country's future and to disseminate information that may be vital
to all of us. So, I agree with Oumar's contention on that.
More later.
Peace!
Amadou Scattred-Janneh
PS: Dr. Sulayman Nyang and I discussed (separately) issues relating
to the draft constitution with VOA's English Service to Africa during
the past two days.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:00:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
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HI fellows,
For those of you advocating that every corrupt government be
overthrown, rethink where you would be today if the American military had
overthrown Nixon. I think such positions are the reason why every
soldier in Africa can now look to the day when he can become a
"President". Why don't you also advocate that the GNA give its members
management training since it is amongst them that we get our leaders.
Just remember that there is corruption in all governments. With the
predominance of people like you in The Gambia, I am sure that the next
coup is just down the corner. After all, in banana republics, it is the
army that decides who rules.
If a mediocre like Yaya Jammeh can convince you of such simple
propaganda, then I feel for you.
-Abdou.
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A. TOURAY.
(212) 749-7971
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 21:03:46 BST
From: L Konteh <L.Konteh-95@student.lut.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <9604262003.AA16495@hpl.lut.ac.uk>
WELL SAID ABDOU. LETS HAVE MORE. PERSONALLY I THINK SOME OF US
ARE BEING NAIVE.
Lang.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:56:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu
Subject: Re: HAVE SOME RESPECT . . .
Message-ID: <199604262256.SAA17704@aspen>
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I know it can be hard to avoid at times, but lets not be too personal
Thanks for now.
Malanding
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 22:35:19 -0400
From: Tuttyramou@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The meeting(s)
Message-ID: <960427223518_523421817@emout07.mail.aol.com>
On the above topic, can we look at the possibility of informing non
subscribers to Gambia-1 to get their involvement? This can be coordinated by
folks in the respective areas.
Comments?
Thanks to all.
Maila
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