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Newfy
Western Samoa
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 Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 21:40:08
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I understand where you are coming from Serenata. Certainly any group that has been enslaved, tortured, killed, treated with apartheid, would not be especially loving towards the oppressor. All we have to see are all the war torn ravaged places across the world.There are too many groups that have gone through this cycle and then once they advance, may become the oppressor rather than the oppressee.
Fortunately, humans are dynamic and change and grow if given possibilities and opportunities to develop and may possibly outgrow negative accumulated experiences through generations. Its a hard road to walk, I'm sure whether the person from Afghanistan or from a an Indian reservation from the Midwest of the USA or some street child in India or an orphan in the Congo.
For me, I ask what are the root causes of war? Is there a way to live humanely to support each other so there can be an improvement in quality of life across the planet. I imagine that you are probably involved in this kind of work, especially having a wonderful avatar.
If we can look out for the common good, maybe we have a chance here. I'm counting on other people to be like that too and for all of us including myself to learn from our mistakes.
i'm here to learn on this Bantaba by reviewing thoughts, sharing ideas and experiences from all of you. Attacking individuals deter one from this purpose. Take care.
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 21:57:29
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I would absolutely like to keep out of the controversy between Kobo and MeMe, that's for sure.
But i am a bit confused by this remark of Serenata, i must say - even though i like most of her postings as they are positive and sometimes soothing.
Serenata, if this is the way the world works, then we are in for an unending period of hostility. Is it justified to not love each other because of abject behaviour from ancestors on whichever side? Will it never end?
This topic is about the desintegration of the Bantaba. I joined this forum because i thought i could learn from it and maybe contribute something worthwhile from time to time. I found that some members have very long toes indeed, easy to step on. I even read somewhere that Kassma thought it was very annoying that a white person would intervene now and then. My first thought was 'put on a notice 'blacks only'.
Well folks, if we go on like this we will never get any further. Aren't we all just individuals trying to make the best of our lives? This Bantaba makes me wonder if we will ever be reconciled. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 23:20:50
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Originally posted by anna
I would absolutely like to keep out of the controversy between Kobo and MeMe, that's for sure.
But i am a bit confused by this remark of Serenata, i must say - even though i like most of her postings as they are positive and sometimes soothing.
Serenata, if this is the way the world works, then we are in for an unending period of hostility. Is it justified to not love each other because of abject behaviour from ancestors on whichever side? Will it never end?
This topic is about the desintegration of the Bantaba. I joined this forum because i thought i could learn from it and maybe contribute something worthwhile from time to time. I found that some members have very long toes indeed, easy to step on. I even read somewhere that Kassma thought it was very annoying that a white person would intervene now and then. My first thought was 'put on a notice 'blacks only'.
Well folks, if we go on like this we will never get any further. Aren't we all just individuals trying to make the best of our lives? This Bantaba makes me wonder if we will ever be reconciled.
Thanks for your comments. Its even aggravated by Newfy'sintervention trying to defend or substantiate a remark made by Serenata and forming wars out of those remarks. |
Edited by - kobo on 14 Jun 2006 23:22:59 |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 23:34:16
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| I saw Newfy's contribution only after i submitted my own, and i am impressed by it. It is hopeful. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2006 : 14:55:57
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| I reserved my opinion to avoid further controversies and contradictions on this topic. Thanks Anna |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2006 : 21:30:15
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Originally posted by serenata
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Originally posted by Newfy
Kassama I understand quite well what you were talking about. What you have shared I have seen and I have also seen the reverse which Serenata referred to. How to deal with this situation? Can people be educated and become more aware of their behaviors? Can they learn to think for themselves? From Kassama and Serenata and many others I learn alot from this Bantaba from the diversity of information and viewpoints. Please continue to share your knowledge and viewpoint of the world.
Thanks, Newfy, I return the compliment; I like to read your interesting and intelligent postings.
I always thought that it would be only natural if blacks had a prejudice against whites. Nobody can be so naive to expect that someone you resp. your ancestors treated so bad will love you in return. This world is not a sado-maso-club! 
But thanks God on a personal basis things look different. I am hopeful that as the world is becoming 'smaller' we will learn to respect each other.
thank you!! its so exhausting to be misunderstood alll the time. in general i don't have a problem with whites but i'm very aware of whats going on therefore, when people make statements about leaving everything in the past, it seems ignorant to me cause 1) the past got us to where we are now with whites advantaged and 2) there are shady nonsense that still go on that contribute to whites on top and other colored people on the bottom |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 15:49:19
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Oops, I have to apologize, because there seem to be many questions to my posting, and I forgot to revisit this topic for a couple of days.
First to say, I always try to be a little bit realistic. Newfy, you are right, I didn't chose my avatar out of the blue. But though I find it VERY necessary, I am not a member of any peace organisation at the time. Maybe later again, when I have more time.
But sorry, I would never dream the dream of lasting peace (I am not a participant of a beauty contest -> see 'Miss Congeniality'... ). What I think is that for many reasons at the moment we cannot do much more than preventing the worst.
The 'sado-maso-club' was meant like this: If people with a certain sexual perversion called masochism go to such a club, they want to be tortured, mistreated, scolded, etc. The masochist loves the sadist because the sadist gives him what he needs (or thinks he would need): Pain and humiliation. All this looks very odd to me, but as it is done consensually, I abstain from jugding it.
But colonialism is not like such a club, and what happened and still happens between the human races is not in the least consensual. So I think non-whites would have good reasons to be preoccupied against whites. Unfortunately, they often turn the 'normal' hatred against themselves and hate themselves for not being white. Kassma, this is why I agreed with your topic 'read and enjoy', and this is, after all, why I ask myself if this world isn't really a sado-maso-club...
What can we do? Stopping the whole madness and have a fresh start would be the best for us. But before this could happen, we all, Blacks and Whites, should deal honestly with our destructive and neurotic emotions. It is not necessary to act them out; being aware of them and find a creative way to handle them is better, I think. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 16:26:22
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| Newfy, many thanks for your contribution; you got it. Unfortunately you are especially right with your statement: "There are too many groups that have gone through this cycle and then once they advance, may become the oppressor rather than the oppressee". This seems to be unavoidable in many cases, but I think a lot can be done to limit it to a temporary period. We all can see from the examples in the Middle East what happens if it becomes a vicious circle... |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 17:32:40
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| toubab1020, are you still with us. |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 17:46:40
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Wow what a hot comet cycling around. pls cool cool. cause where is a Understanding is mostly with Misunderstanding. right?
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 17:48:51
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mbay which topic are your referring to |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 18:06:31
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Well i didn't get it well. but it semis to me something going on there
between Newfy & serenata.
But if my sight makes me blind then sorry.
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mbay which topic are your referring to
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 18:14:24
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Newfy and serenata, explain your discussions.  love the bantaba |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 19:55:57
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| Jambo, on the whole I fully agree with Newfy. I didn't notice that something was going on. Oops? |
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Newfy
Western Samoa
462 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 21:41:38
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| I dont know what is going on... this conversation with Serenata was a while back and some of my memory chip has gone. I gave my satellite dish implant to Lemon Time and Kons so they can know everything going on in Yoro Bawol and Kanilai, so Im just trying to blend in with the curtains in the room now.. huh, what did you say? |
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