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kassma
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 Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 08:46:37
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| i do kind of agree with bamba, there has been times when you would want to have a serious discussion on what's going on in gambia and some white person would interrupt and lead the discussion someplace else. its annoying. |
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babygirl
United Kingdom
89 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 12:16:51
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yes and there are times when i want a quiet walk and some black person interupts. it is annoying.
now doesnt that sound totally racist?!!
I have never met with such reverse racism in my whole life! People don't seem to want participation from white people on here unless its white people who are gonna kiss ass! I'm sick of it.
I am proud to be white but i am also proud to be a person loves or hates because of the person not because of the colour of someones skin. I dont feel i need to keep seperating people because of the colour of their skin!
Bantaba is for people who love Gambia,not so? Why should it matter what colour the persons skin is!
The minute there is a difference of opinion on here it becomes a black/white thing.
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somita
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 13:26:40
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Its a sad day when contributors to this forum start addressing individuals by their colour not by views. Bamba you seems to believe that White Gambian is out of the quesiton, that to be a Gambian one has to be black, I think that is a very narrow view and should be discourage. I'm not going to bit about the bush, your view have every tendancy of racism. The BNP party has the exact view only that its opposite colourwise, its one sickening view.
Globalisation today means that colour is becoming more irrelevant as the colour of our eyes .... its not longer possible to tell individuals nationality by their colour.
Personaly I think western institutions play a huge part in Africa's current predicament, they pretend to help but in the practice they undermine Africa's every step farward. I strongly believe colour has no part to play init because there are blacks heading some of these institutions today. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 13:37:39
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Originally posted by babygirl
yes and there are times when i want a quiet walk and some black person interupts. it is annoying.
now doesnt that sound totally racist?!!
I have never met with such reverse racism in my whole life! People don't seem to want participation from white people on here unless its white people who are gonna kiss ass! I'm sick of it.
I am proud to be white but i am also proud to be a person loves or hates because of the person not because of the colour of someones skin. I dont feel i need to keep seperating people because of the colour of their skin!
Bantaba is for people who love Gambia,not so? Why should it matter what colour the persons skin is!
The minute there is a difference of opinion on here it becomes a black/white thing.
I sometimes wonder if some members really believe what they write,it may be some sort of a wind up just to get reaction thereby increasing racial awareness,but of course I will probably be accused of changing the subject,which may be annoying!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 15:00:15
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Babygirl..I agree..sometimes it gets me so down I feel like never going back to Gambia and never posting again. But then I think why should a few racist black people put me off? 
MOST Gambians in Gambia are not racist at all. I like their open nature and I enjoy their company.
There are a few people on Bantaba who I am sure would be much happier if we never posted, unless it was to say how wonderful they are!! 
As soon as you say anything negative they club together and attack in a very personal nasty way.
It shouldnt matter if the posting is by someone white or black. If it is an interesting, intelligent posting who cares about the colour? |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 15:06:38
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Somita I agree that globalisation means we should learn to live alongside each other peaceful and learn about each others cultures so we can be more accepting, tolerant and integrated.
Long term I would like to spend one whole year in Gambia to see all the seasons and work in a school.
I would also like to buy a plot of land and build a house so that I can spend at least one month a year in a village setting.
This is a big commitment from me in time, money and effort.
I dont expect anyone to be grovelling in subserviance to me..... but I would expect to be accepted and be treated in a friendly, polite manner.
Some of the hostility on Bantaba makes me wonder if I am hoping for too much? How long would it take for me to be accepted as ME, instead of as a toubab? i.e will people see past the colour of my skin? |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 15:34:19
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babygirl/somita i agree totally with you. infact the evidence is there for everyone to see. in the gambia there are passport holders of people of non-african origin who live/work and contribute like any other person. infact some of them speak mandinka/wollof better than i do. you find them in parliament and some of the government institutions.
its true that the bantaba does show anti-toubab hostility but honestly we cannot control what people say or write. i think thats the whole point of the bantaba.some comments are outright RACIST but if you look closely its just the same postings from the same few people.its less than a minority
gambiabev i think gambians have accepted you as YOU atleast judging from your postings and accounts of your trips to The Gambia.
most of the posting in this bantaba are from gambians living abroad who have seen or experience racism but this is not the same mindset of ordinary gambians who have never travelled and hence colour is not really an issue in daily live. rather its about the rat race , getting money, food, a job etc.
just an honest warning in any place with poverty the person with money is always treated more favourably than others. this is especially true in the gambia.
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 16:30:29
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Gambiabev, Last night we were with a local Jamaican husband & wife, (he is 72years) they have lived in UK forty-seven years, always had professional employment, never applied to the state for anything, and still not accepted past the colour of their skin.
I have read what YOU expect from the community, should you build in The Gambia. Would YOUR COMMUNITY give exactly the same should you sell your home to an African family?
The twenty-first century and racism is still eating away at societies!
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 16:43:02
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Sab, I find that very sad..... 47 years..... and still don't feel accepted.
Living in an African village is a very different experience to living in an english town or city. I don't know my neighbours.....and we are all white. We all are out at work alot and when we are home are busy with our own insular lives.
I couldnt say ow may neighbours would be..guessing I would say live and let live ie they wont be very friendly, but neither would they be rude or ignorant. That is just how most english people are, quietly getting on with earning a living and raising a family. |
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babygirl
United Kingdom
89 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 18:43:30
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Sab i find that very sad BUT it is not me that doesnt accept ur friends.
If i can chat on this site without having to make constant references to the colour of peoples skin then other people should manage it too.
In my town I being white am the minority, Alot of my black neighbours are drug dealers driving top of the range cars still claiming benefits from the government, they bring nothing but trouble to the area. A few months ago 6 black boys beat up an old man outside my house in full view of my child, I had to lock my son in the house while i ran outside to stop this man being killed.
Also several months ago there was a gang fight that broke out, 30 to 40 young boys aged from 15 to 25 fighting some with knives nearly all of these boys were black or mixed race.
A group of 4 black boys were picking on a white boy because he had ginger hair. They were only 12/13 years old.
Does that mean i have to hate all black people? or think that black people are all the same?
My next door neighbours are a black muslim family. I couldn't ask for better neighbours, we love living next door to each other. During Ramadan they send food to me every evening, We put each others bins in/out. If there is ever trouble in our street <which seems to be a regular occurence> we are always there to support or help each other and anyone else who needs help. Oblivious to the colour of the persons skin.
We are considerate of each other and we respect each other.
Also living close are a white family who are also drug dealing. They are violent and their house windows are constantly being smashed, they damage each others cars and break down doors.
I'd hate to live next door to them.
Yes there are bad people who are black. Yes there are white people who are bad. But there are alot more good black people and good white people.
I try to treat everyone as an individual not as a skin colour, its all about respect and consideration.
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 02:15:59
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| well said babaygirl bravo |
There is no god but Allah |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 02:37:42
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Originally posted by babygirl
yes and there are times when i want a quiet walk and some black person interupts. it is annoying.
now doesnt that sound totally racist?!!
I have never met with such reverse racism in my whole life! People don't seem to want participation from white people on here unless its white people who are gonna kiss ass! I'm sick of it.
I am proud to be white but i am also proud to be a person loves or hates because of the person not because of the colour of someones skin. I dont feel i need to keep seperating people because of the colour of their skin!
Bantaba is for people who love Gambia,not so? Why should it matter what colour the persons skin is!
The minute there is a difference of opinion on here it becomes a black/white thing.
babygirl, you know i'm talking about discussions on this board and about how some people interrupt. now what you said about the walk is racist but what i said happens all the time. i don't like the fact that there is so much fuss about racism on this website but, we Gambians should be able to have discussions, vent our frustrations without someone interrupting, mentioning that not all whites are racist cause believe me, we are aware that not everyone from a particular race is the same. the ironic thing is, we blacks are more stereotyped than any other group out there, and its mostly by whites, but its funny that once blacks mention one stereotype about whites, they are ready to have a heart attack. whatever |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 02:52:27
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| true, i haven't been on bantaba for awhile, but i've been reading a few of the post i've missed. i think whites are not used to blacks standing up to them so everything seems like a racist thing when we disagree on something. but honestly, i don't think any of the blacks here are racist. plus, what we blacks go through everyday does not come even remotely close to what some whites claim to be going thru on this website. i think a little bit of understanding from the whites will go a long way. imagine what WE have to go thru, if you really do, then you can understand our frustations. yes, we know not all whites are the same, but that doesn't matter when you live in a white society that is systematically racist, whether one or two whites are racist does not matter when you're still discriminated against based on your skin colour. plus those one or two whites that are not racist, they still benefit from the system, so it really does not matter. plus, having an interest in Gambia or Gambians does not matter if you're not willing to consider what Gambians feel or go thru every day in white countries |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 14:53:52
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| Kassma, I understand you from your experience in the US, a country that still seems to be racist to the bones. But I think as a reaction there is also black racism. This is not desirable, but quite understandable. I hope one day we all can be 'colour-blind', but it is a long way to go. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Jun 2006 : 18:06:55
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| How difficult it must be to walk with that giant chip on your shoulder, Kassma! Or are you just trying to wrestle the controversy crown from the likes of Kobo and Biraago? |
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