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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 11:50:12
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Last night there was a programme on TV in UK about marrying cousins and the genetic problems this can cause.
The Pakistani community in UK still continue with this practise inspite of the medical evidence.
When this was done in remote Pakistani communities people wouldnt have had the education or evidence available to make an informed decision. But I don't understand why you would continue with this pracise when there is so much medical evidence against it.
Is it cultural or religious or a combination of both?
I would like to know more about the reasoning for this and why people think it is a good idea inspite of the evidence.
I know most Gambians marry within their community, but does that include marrying first cousins?
Increasingly genetic information is suggesting that the healthest people come from a broad genetic pool. So mixed race is the way to go from the evolution point of view! I LOVE that. It goes against all the racist bigots in the world. 
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turk
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Posted - 24 Aug 2010 : 15:58:04
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These practices exist in especially rural area in Kurdish area, some Assyrians, some Arabic tribes and some other nomadic groups in Turkey as well. I know at least in Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo and many parts in Turkey are not practiced. I am not sure about Gambia and Africa.
In Gambia, I witnessed (I assumed it was joke) by my daughter's uncles and some other relatives saying they would like to marry my daughter in the future, although I did not like the idea, I assumed it was joke because of their body language. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 12:38:32
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Last night there was a programme on TV in UK about marrying cousins and the genetic problems this can cause.
The Pakistani community in UK still continue with this practise inspite of the medical evidence.
When this was done in remote Pakistani communities people wouldnt have had the education or evidence available to make an informed decision. But I don't understand why you would continue with this pracise when there is so much medical evidence against it.
Is it cultural or religious or a combination of both?
I would like to know more about the reasoning for this and why people think it is a good idea inspite of the evidence.
I know most Gambians marry within their community, but does that include marrying first cousins?
Increasingly genetic information is suggesting that the healthest people come from a broad genetic pool. So mixed race is the way to go from the evolution point of view! I LOVE that. It goes against all the racist bigots in the world.
Missed that programme, Bev but did you know that humans are 99.9% genetically identical – only 0.1% of our genetic make-up differs. How crazy is that?! |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 12:50:32
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"but did you know that humans are 99.9% genetically identical – only 0.1% of our genetic make-up differs. How crazy is that?!"
I am sure that this is a fact,in which case it will make gene treatments of illnesses much easier to deal with as there COULD be only 0.1% chance of something going wrong with any developed gene treatment.
Now there's a starter for a topic MeMe. MANY people from Scotland have been very clever in history for medical inovations  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 12:53:01
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| Really! Humans are like that? How about Scots? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 12:55:21
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Very naughty turk  how did you get your understanding of Western Humour
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Originally posted by turk
Really! Humans are like that? How about Scots?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2010 : 00:32:50
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25% of people who marry their first cousin have problems.
Sometimes it is not a big problem, but I teach pupils from a Pakistani background whose parents are 1st cousins. These pupils are deaf and blind. They are a pleasure to teach because they try so hard to overcome their inherited problems and are positive about making the best of each day.
I just feel if the medical knowledge was fully available to the local community the women could be empowered to resist first cousin marriages and reduce the likelyhood of births of children with complex problems.
There would be less miscarriage, less still births and less trauma to the women.
On a practical note there would be less cost to the local NHS services which carries the burden of supporting these difficult children with their complex needs. This has an impact on other budgets, especially in these difficult times.
I would like to see every child starting off in life WANTED and HEALTHY. Of course what happens after that we are less able to predict. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2010 : 10:31:38
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Originally posted by gambiabev
I would like to see every child starting off in life WANTED and HEALTHY. Of course what happens after that we are less able to predict.
Ooops, careful here, Bev lest you offend! There is no such thing as perfection and I'm sure an 'unhealthy' child is loved and wanted too ... don't even go down that Hitler-esque route ... who are we to judge who is healthy and wanted?! |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2010 : 18:29:59
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I teach SPECIAL needs children. I care about them and their families deeply. Every child has the right to life and it is our job to help them achieve their potential.
BUT who wouldnt wish their child was healthy?
Some genetic conditions are not esay to predict, but some are.
I don't understand why people would marry a 1st cousin now we know how much it affects the health of the children born to this union.
I have already stated that I dont believe in the 'hitler' type views. I actually like the ideal of all cultures and peoples mixing, including in marriage and having children.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2010 : 21:06:18
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Originally posted by gambiabev
I have already stated that I dont believe in the 'hitler' type views. I actually like the ideal of all cultures and peoples mixing, including in marriage and having children.
But we're not talking about cultures and peoples mixing, Bev! You were talking about children born with health defects and that's what I was pointing out to you as it reminded me of the 'perfect race' vision that Hitler peddled. He wasn't too supportive of those with a disability (to put it mildly!). |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2010 : 00:03:29
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| BUT as I have said, I am very supportive of people with disabilities.BUT I question the motives of people that would choose a life style that deliberately sets out to allow children to be born with severe problems. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2010 : 00:06:43
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I would like to hear more from Gambians about if they marry cousins and if so why.....
Also it would be great to learn about disabilities in Gambia and the causes....
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2010 : 00:16:41
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Last night there was a programme on TV in UK about marrying cousins and the genetic problems this can cause.
The Pakistani community in UK still continue with this practise inspite of the medical evidence.
When this was done in remote Pakistani communities people wouldnt have had the education or evidence available to make an informed decision. But I don't understand why you would continue with this pracise when there is so much medical evidence against it.
Is it cultural or religious or a combination of both?
I would like to know more about the reasoning for this and why people think it is a good idea inspite of the evidence.
I know most Gambians marry within their community, but does that include marrying first cousins?
Increasingly genetic information is suggesting that the healthest people come from a broad genetic pool. So mixed race is the way to go from the evolution point of view! I LOVE that. It goes against all the racist bigots in the world.
Yes! This is also prevalent in Senegambia [Senegal and Gambia] but sadly it appears to be less now than before. It has nothing to do with religion. Our ancestors were marrying among their families long before islam [in reference to the muslim masses]. Animists also do it. There is nothing wrong with it as far as I am concerned. Yes! There is a 'possibility' of genetic deformity or illness, but the same can also be true for the off springs of unrelated spouses. This nonsensical propaganda is a fabrication perpetrated by the medical profession and those who wants to push this interracial propaganda. My ancestors and many others’s ancestors intermarried among themselves for centuries and millenniums and there is nothing wrong with me or Senegambians like me thank you very much. I saw the program you are talking about. I knew already what they were going to say. I watched it for 15 minute then turned off. Life is a chance. Two unrelated people can give birth to a sick child. This happens more but it is never talked about, but when it comes to two related people then they jump on the band wagon. Pathetic! There is nothing wrong with cousins marrying. In Senegambia, it has nothing to do with religion. It predates religion. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2010 : 00:23:10
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Originally posted by gambiabev
I would like to hear more from Gambians about if they marry cousins and if so why.....
Also it would be great to learn about disabilities in Gambia and the causes....
Disabilities in Gambia occurs for the same reasons disabilities in other countries occur. Period! |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2010 : 01:15:38
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Oh my god. Are there people like this, still? Of course there are. Let me see. Tamsier or Medical Science? Tamsier or Medical Science? OK, I go with Medical Science. Interracial Propoganda? OK Neo-Nazi or interracial propaganda? Neo-Nazi or interracial propaganda? OK, I go with interracial propaganda after all we are one race. Human Race.
First of all Marrying first cousins argument has nothing to do with interracial relationship. It says, do not marry with your close relatives. It does not say, do not marry with your race!!!!
On, interracial relationship.....
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“I believe in recognizing every human being as a human being, neither white, black, brown nor red. When you are dealing with humanity as one family, there's no question of integration or intermarriage. It's just one human being marrying another human being, or one human being living around and with another human being.
Malcolm X
I am proud to have interracial family, instead of a family that is based on bigotry and hate of others. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 28 Aug 2010 10:35:42 |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Sep 2010 : 01:01:47
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| I pity the Gambian family that have given their daughter to you in marriage. They are shameful and bring shame on all of us. Knowing full well that their daughter will be treated like a slave by you and your family, they still went on to give their daughter to an arab-turk. No Senegambian family of honour will give their son or daughter in marriage to an arab. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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