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Formby
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17 May 2006 : 15:36:42
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If it were deemed libel then I'm afraid Modou would be prosecuted for not removing it. So the racist is not only being deliberately ill-mannered to those who post here, he is also compromising the position of the person who kindly spares his free time to create and maintain this discussion board.
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:01:00
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Babylon,
Freedom of speech does not mean what has been written. If you read the law, it states clearly that what has been written about a person,that is false is answerable to court orders. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to deformation of caracther. The freedom of speech paragraph is sound and clear. Things you you write about a person should be defended by true evedince. What was done here is the person wrote about a person who was hurt because of false acusations. We must be truthful, and remember when you debate, you exchange opinions and not insult or accuse each another. In a civilised society, debates are carried out with maturity, and facts, and not assumtion. This is the difference between what we are talking about.
In this case you are writting online and not speaking directly to the person eye and eye. I know the difference and I am awear of the freedom of speech paragraph withn the Swedish law.
If you dont belive what I write, you may kindly consult the computer experts in the area you stay or call Data Inspectionen to send you a copy of the law I am quoting. It used to be free of charge, I dont know now.It might be a good guideance to the elektronic channels we use. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:02:58
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Babylon, I find it interesting that you step into the breach for Bamba so eagerly.
Opinion, free speech and insult are different things and shouldn't be mixed up. This is not only a matter of laws, but also a matter of (self-)respect and discipline.
There is a difference between a statement like: "You are a racist", and "What you say sounds racist". The former discredits the person as a whole, the latter critizises his/her statement, which is absolutely okay. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:11:56
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So, you can say itīs libel against a person even when that persons name is not printed and is unknown to the public?  |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:21:46
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Some members reveal their names in their profiles, and it is no problem to register and know other members' real identity (if their profiles are not fake  ). In this sense, yes, it can be libel. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:28:33
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| As far as I know Kiwi01 name is not in her profile. So... And what do you mean Serenata that Iīm stepping up for Bamba? |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:36:56
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Another thing Alhassan... If the datainspektionen would trace a computer of the G who assaluts ppl on the net and it really belongs to someone else, his grandmother for example. Will tha grandma get prosecuted then? I mean, how can they prove who wrote what and catch the right person?  |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:38:42
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Babylon,
I think we should not hide and write bad of oneanother. It does not look serious. If I critisize you I must me able to defend what I have said, and must be able to contribute to make things fare. I have the opinion that we writing in the forum as Gambians or not should be very frank and post mature ideas. What you say here in your reply should not be encouraged. In my opinion , we should encourage people to take part in debates with marturity. I hope we can agree on this. We have a good example in Sweden, as we follow the political campange on our TV screens nowadays. Remember the Moderate and Socialdemocrats had a similar case. What happened in Sweden not long ago is a good example. From the socialdemocrats campange center, some one sent e-mails of accusations to the Leader of the Moderats. The person who wrote the e-mails was found out and expelled from there before the matter reached the courts. The two parties had to adopt a system of compromise, and deciaded not to go to the courts but sak the sender. IAm I right or wrong?
As I have lived here for some time , I have seen and listened and followed campanges ,but never heard people accusing each other. During the debates, people concentrait on the topic and the topic only. I have said the same thing to people on the allgambian forum who debated the same way. I suggest we adopt good debating manners and forget about individuals. We are all learning as democracy was just brought to us in Africs without explaination.
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:41:22
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| why are we talking about swedish law, will the case be tried there!?!. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:46:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Babylon
Another thing Alhassan... If the datainspektionen would trace a computer of the G who assaluts ppl on the net and it really belongs to someone else, his grandmother for example. Will tha grandma get prosecuted then? I mean, how can they prove who wrote what and catch the right person?
Babylon,
In this case grandmother would be questioned, and made to name the person who used her computer for the postings, otherwise, she is held responsible. If the corps come to house and find stolen things, who is held responsible? If there is no person at the moment, the owner of thr house is held responsible until the real culprit is named or found. If he/she does not agree, then the house owner must have a good explainatio of how the stolen goods came there |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:48:43
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Originally posted by jambo
why are we talking about swedish law, will the case be tried there!?!.
Guys,
I surpose we are talking of good debating manners. It does not matter where you are. Surely in your country there are laws. WE are trying to adopt good debating manners for the feature.
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:53:36
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Ok, so if that G sits and writes in a internetcafeī or at the centralstation (as you can do in Sweden) those places are held responsible...
Anyway, I am not saying that itīs good to call people names, but at the net you must be prepared that not all are nice people. You canīt expect all to behave well ,that is not realistic. Iīm sorry that Kiwi01 feel sad about Bambas attacks. But I think she should be able to shake those things off if she herself knows that she is a good person. I would never take things so personal, but thatīs just me. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
246 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 16:59:48
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 17:04:58
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Originally posted by Formby
It will be the moderator/site owner who is held responsible.
Formby, you are wrong. Take time and read the disclaimer at the bottom.
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2006 : 17:33:02
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Spontaneity, directness and 'serious' writing should not be opposites. Maybe some flair is needed to find the balance (I am not sure I myself always have it). But as we see in many examples here, it is not at all necessary to be insulting to have a lively discussion. If people make it a habit to be insulting, they should see the doctor. As fast as they can.
It happened in the German Parliament that a high ranking member called another 'a levitating a.....e' in a heated debate. The whole nation rolled on the floor laughing. Why? Because this was absolutely not the usual style, and this loud 'fart', at this particular time, cleared a tense atmosphere. In some situations, this can be okay. With an accent on 'some'. |
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