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kayjatta
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mansasulu
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Moe
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 Posted - 02 Jul 2009 : 19:00:03
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Kayjatta you need to grow up and stop being an ambassador to misinformation. When did Jammeh say he was paying for anyone ,It has been clearly stated that there will not be compensation and anything done will be strictly out of humanitarian reasons .This is the biggest problem in Africa. You dangerous people...........................Peacequote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
http://news.myjoyonline.com/news/200907/32168.asp
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2009 : 07:38:36
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Kayjatta does not mislead Moe. I did not make the news afterall, I just forwarded it  . Mansasulu, you should know by now that the Chairman's public statements on radio or television never really reflect the truth. Instead the concessions he made under pressure behind close doors under AU supervision and signed by both foreign secretaries of Gambia and Ghana appears to reflect the real position of Jammeh.
It is noteworthy that Jammeh's agreement to settle this Ghanian murder case is in his own interest-it is a step towards self preservation. This case- the murder of 44 Ghanians-and other murder cases that occured under Jammeh's watch are potential cases in the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Gambia's Leviathan could end up languishing in a jail cell in the Hague just like Slobo, Charles Taylor and soon Omar El Bashir ...
Here is another report:
Gambia To Compensate Murdered Ghanaians
The families of six Ghanaians killed in The Gambia are to be given monetary compensation, according to an agreement reached between The Gambian President Yahyah Jammeh and the President of Ghana, John Mills. The two reached the agreement Thursday in Libya where they are attending the ongoing AU Summit.The full details of the compensation agreement are yet to be known.
However Ghana’s Information Minister, Zita Okaikwei tells Citi News it will certainly involve some amount of money given to the families of the victims.A statement signed by the Foreign Affairs Ministers of the two countries and witnessed by representatives of ECOWAS and the UN, said the two countries agreed that the perpetrators of the killing be arrested and prosecuted. They also agreed that the bodies of the six be exhumed and repatriated back home for proper burial.
It was however agreed that The Gambia should not be held directly or indirectly responsible for the killing of the six alongside other West African nationals who died or disappeared. Both countries have also pledged to fight against human trafficking to avert such heinous deaths in the future. Ms Okaikwei told Citi News that the Ghanaian Government tried negotiating with the Gambian Government to accept responsibility they refused to accept the responsibility. “We were trying to negotiate with the Gambian Government to accept responsibility but they said that they were not directly responsibility for the murder of the Ghanaians.
But our argument was that since the death occurred on Gambian soil, the Gambian government was responsible for those Ghanaians and so they needed to show some remorse and apologise to Ghana and to the bereaved families.” She said Forty four Ghanaians were originally thought to have been killed in The Gambia in 2005. But a joint UN-ECOWAS fact finding team identified only six of the victims as Ghanaians. The others are considered disappeared.
Below is a full text of the statement
STATEMENT ON THE MINISTERIAL MEETING ON THE REPORT OF THE JOINT UNITED - NATIONS ECOWAS FACT FINDING TEAM ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE DEATH AND DISSAPPEARNCES OF GHANAIAN NATIONALS.
On April 14 2008, the joint UN-ECOWAS fact finding team was established at the request of the governments of the Gambia and Ghana to facilitate efforts by both government to bring about the peaceful resolution of the above mentioned matters consistent on with the principles of justice and respect for human rights and human dignity
• On May 11, 2009 delegations from the two countries, represented by the ministers of foreign affairs, interior and justice of the Gambia and Ministers and Interior of Ghana met at the Headquarters of the ECOWAS commission, Abuja, under the facilitation of the UN and ECOWAS.
• Following a review and discussion on the finding of the fact –finding team, the government of Ghana and the Gambia re-affirmed their commitment to strengthen their traditionally cordial bilateral relations and agreed to following;
• Both Governments extended their condolences to the families of those confirmed dead. They agreed that the two Governments would cooperate in the exhumation and repatriation of their bodies to their families in Ghana so that they would be given befitting traditional burials.
• Constituent with the finding of fact –finding team, the two parties acknowledge that the government of the Gambia is not directly or indirectly complicit in the deaths and disappearances of the Ghanaian nationals concerned .nonetheless, the Gambia government agreed to make contributions to families of the six Ghanaians found dead in its territory, in conformity with African traditional values shared by both countries.
• Both ideas pledged to pursue, through all available means the arrest and prosecution of all those involved in the death and disappearances of the Ghanaians concerned and other ECOWAS nationals, especially those identified as culprits in the report. Both countries agreed also to follow up on any future leads in the cases of those suspected missing.
• In recognition of the discovery that these Ghanaians and other ECOWAS nationals were victims of a human trafficking scam, and because of the regional dimension of the problem, both governments called on ECOWAS Member States to intensify efforts to identify and punish known traffickers with the support of the international community. The two Governments commend the facilitation of the UN and ECOWAS and the work of the Fact–Finding Team.
They express optimism that the finding of the report and the implementation of the decision of their meeting will help to restore and strengthen the traditionally cordial bilateral relations between the countries.
source: citifmonline
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2009 : 08:53:38
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It's sad as a teacher,thats your exchuse!!!..............................Peacequote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Kayjatta does not mislead Moe. I did not make the news afterall, I just forwarded it . Mansasulu, you should know by now that the Chairman's public statements on radio or television never really reflect the truth. Instead the concessions he made under pressure behind close doors under AU supervision and signed by both foreign secretaries of Gambia and Ghana appears to reflect the real position of Jammeh.
It is noteworthy that Jammeh's agreement to settle this Ghanian murder case is in his own interest-it is a step towards self preservation. This case- the murder of 44 Ghanians-and other murder cases that occured under Jammeh's watch are potential cases in the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Gambia's Leviathan could end up languishing in a jail cell in the Hague just like Slobo, Charles Taylor and soon Omar El Bashir ...
Here is another report:
Gambia To Compensate Murdered Ghanaians
The families of six Ghanaians killed in The Gambia are to be given monetary compensation, according to an agreement reached between The Gambian President Yahyah Jammeh and the President of Ghana, John Mills. The two reached the agreement Thursday in Libya where they are attending the ongoing AU Summit.The full details of the compensation agreement are yet to be known.
However Ghana’s Information Minister, Zita Okaikwei tells Citi News it will certainly involve some amount of money given to the families of the victims.A statement signed by the Foreign Affairs Ministers of the two countries and witnessed by representatives of ECOWAS and the UN, said the two countries agreed that the perpetrators of the killing be arrested and prosecuted. They also agreed that the bodies of the six be exhumed and repatriated back home for proper burial.
It was however agreed that The Gambia should not be held directly or indirectly responsible for the killing of the six alongside other West African nationals who died or disappeared. Both countries have also pledged to fight against human trafficking to avert such heinous deaths in the future. Ms Okaikwei told Citi News that the Ghanaian Government tried negotiating with the Gambian Government to accept responsibility they refused to accept the responsibility. “We were trying to negotiate with the Gambian Government to accept responsibility but they said that they were not directly responsibility for the murder of the Ghanaians.
But our argument was that since the death occurred on Gambian soil, the Gambian government was responsible for those Ghanaians and so they needed to show some remorse and apologise to Ghana and to the bereaved families.” She said Forty four Ghanaians were originally thought to have been killed in The Gambia in 2005. But a joint UN-ECOWAS fact finding team identified only six of the victims as Ghanaians. The others are considered disappeared.
Below is a full text of the statement
STATEMENT ON THE MINISTERIAL MEETING ON THE REPORT OF THE JOINT UNITED - NATIONS ECOWAS FACT FINDING TEAM ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE DEATH AND DISSAPPEARNCES OF GHANAIAN NATIONALS.
On April 14 2008, the joint UN-ECOWAS fact finding team was established at the request of the governments of the Gambia and Ghana to facilitate efforts by both government to bring about the peaceful resolution of the above mentioned matters consistent on with the principles of justice and respect for human rights and human dignity
• On May 11, 2009 delegations from the two countries, represented by the ministers of foreign affairs, interior and justice of the Gambia and Ministers and Interior of Ghana met at the Headquarters of the ECOWAS commission, Abuja, under the facilitation of the UN and ECOWAS.
• Following a review and discussion on the finding of the fact –finding team, the government of Ghana and the Gambia re-affirmed their commitment to strengthen their traditionally cordial bilateral relations and agreed to following;
• Both Governments extended their condolences to the families of those confirmed dead. They agreed that the two Governments would cooperate in the exhumation and repatriation of their bodies to their families in Ghana so that they would be given befitting traditional burials.
• Constituent with the finding of fact –finding team, the two parties acknowledge that the government of the Gambia is not directly or indirectly complicit in the deaths and disappearances of the Ghanaian nationals concerned .nonetheless, the Gambia government agreed to make contributions to families of the six Ghanaians found dead in its territory, in conformity with African traditional values shared by both countries.
• Both ideas pledged to pursue, through all available means the arrest and prosecution of all those involved in the death and disappearances of the Ghanaians concerned and other ECOWAS nationals, especially those identified as culprits in the report. Both countries agreed also to follow up on any future leads in the cases of those suspected missing.
• In recognition of the discovery that these Ghanaians and other ECOWAS nationals were victims of a human trafficking scam, and because of the regional dimension of the problem, both governments called on ECOWAS Member States to intensify efforts to identify and punish known traffickers with the support of the international community. The two Governments commend the facilitation of the UN and ECOWAS and the work of the Fact–Finding Team.
They express optimism that the finding of the report and the implementation of the decision of their meeting will help to restore and strengthen the traditionally cordial bilateral relations between the countries.
source: citifmonline
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 21:50:40
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Originally posted by Moe
It's sad as a teacher, thats your exchuse!!!..............................Peace
Have you, Moe_lly, any facts you can copy & paste, as usual, that can refute kayjatta's post/thread?
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jul 2009 : 01:43:33
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Kay,
There has never been a person of political prominence in Gambia named for killing and theft as Yaya Jammeh is now being named and shamed. He is real disgrace and cause for worry to decent people of Gambia.
If the world wants to tear up Yaya for all the wrong doings, Gambians have to surrender him without second thought. Crime is nothing less no matter who commits it.
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snuggels
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Posted - 05 Jul 2009 : 03:05:31
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"Have you, Moe_lly, any facts you can copy & paste, as usual, that can refute kayjatta's post/thread?"
Yep come on Moe interesting to see what you come up with?
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mansasulu
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Posted - 06 Jul 2009 : 16:10:50
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Dude, both the report and statement you posted say 6 Ghanians. So how you come up with 44 Ghanians is very perplexing to me...I am still trying to figure out how 6 became 44. I am a very lousy mathematician I must admit, but good luck to anyone trying to reconsile those two numbers.
Besides, I hope you made an attempt to listen to the audio interview The President gave to GRTS because it is pretty much the exact samething agreed to per the statement you posted which I am highligting below.
Whatever happened he 6 Ghanians, not 44we do not know. I think it is important we put things in the right perspective and state what truely transpired between as the joint statement pointed out. That statement does not in anyway contradict what Jammeh said.
I think you will agree with me that there is a huge difference between compensation and contribution. This case is not being settled, it is being resolved by the two countries. It was an unfortunate event and until the real truth comes out as to the manner in which the 6 Ghanians died we should keep it at that.
• Constituent with the finding of fact –finding team, the two parties acknowledge that the government of the Gambia is not directly or indirectly complicit in the deaths and disappearances of the Ghanaian nationals concerned .nonetheless, the Gambia government agreed to make contributions to families of the six Ghanaians found dead in its territory, in conformity with African traditional values shared by both countries.
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Kayjatta does not mislead Moe. I did not make the news afterall, I just forwarded it . Mansasulu, you should know by now that the Chairman's public statements on radio or television never really reflect the truth. Instead the concessions he made under pressure behind close doors under AU supervision and signed by both foreign secretaries of Gambia and Ghana appears to reflect the real position of Jammeh.
It is noteworthy that Jammeh's agreement to settle this Ghanian murder case is in his own interest-it is a step towards self preservation. This case- the murder of 44 Ghanians-and other murder cases that occured under Jammeh's watch are potential cases in the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Gambia's Leviathan could end up languishing in a jail cell in the Hague just like Slobo, Charles Taylor and soon Omar El Bashir ...
Here is another report:
Gambia To Compensate Murdered Ghanaians
The families of six Ghanaians killed in The Gambia are to be given monetary compensation, according to an agreement reached between The Gambian President Yahyah Jammeh and the President of Ghana, John Mills. The two reached the agreement Thursday in Libya where they are attending the ongoing AU Summit.The full details of the compensation agreement are yet to be known.
However Ghana’s Information Minister, Zita Okaikwei tells Citi News it will certainly involve some amount of money given to the families of the victims.A statement signed by the Foreign Affairs Ministers of the two countries and witnessed by representatives of ECOWAS and the UN, said the two countries agreed that the perpetrators of the killing be arrested and prosecuted. They also agreed that the bodies of the six be exhumed and repatriated back home for proper burial.
It was however agreed that The Gambia should not be held directly or indirectly responsible for the killing of the six alongside other West African nationals who died or disappeared. Both countries have also pledged to fight against human trafficking to avert such heinous deaths in the future. Ms Okaikwei told Citi News that the Ghanaian Government tried negotiating with the Gambian Government to accept responsibility they refused to accept the responsibility. “We were trying to negotiate with the Gambian Government to accept responsibility but they said that they were not directly responsibility for the murder of the Ghanaians.
But our argument was that since the death occurred on Gambian soil, the Gambian government was responsible for those Ghanaians and so they needed to show some remorse and apologise to Ghana and to the bereaved families.” She said Forty four Ghanaians were originally thought to have been killed in The Gambia in 2005. But a joint UN-ECOWAS fact finding team identified only six of the victims as Ghanaians. The others are considered disappeared.
Below is a full text of the statement
STATEMENT ON THE MINISTERIAL MEETING ON THE REPORT OF THE JOINT UNITED - NATIONS ECOWAS FACT FINDING TEAM ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE DEATH AND DISSAPPEARNCES OF GHANAIAN NATIONALS.
On April 14 2008, the joint UN-ECOWAS fact finding team was established at the request of the governments of the Gambia and Ghana to facilitate efforts by both government to bring about the peaceful resolution of the above mentioned matters consistent on with the principles of justice and respect for human rights and human dignity
• On May 11, 2009 delegations from the two countries, represented by the ministers of foreign affairs, interior and justice of the Gambia and Ministers and Interior of Ghana met at the Headquarters of the ECOWAS commission, Abuja, under the facilitation of the UN and ECOWAS.
• Following a review and discussion on the finding of the fact –finding team, the government of Ghana and the Gambia re-affirmed their commitment to strengthen their traditionally cordial bilateral relations and agreed to following;
• Both Governments extended their condolences to the families of those confirmed dead. They agreed that the two Governments would cooperate in the exhumation and repatriation of their bodies to their families in Ghana so that they would be given befitting traditional burials.
• Constituent with the finding of fact –finding team, the two parties acknowledge that the government of the Gambia is not directly or indirectly complicit in the deaths and disappearances of the Ghanaian nationals concerned .nonetheless, the Gambia government agreed to make contributions to families of the six Ghanaians found dead in its territory, in conformity with African traditional values shared by both countries.
• Both ideas pledged to pursue, through all available means the arrest and prosecution of all those involved in the death and disappearances of the Ghanaians concerned and other ECOWAS nationals, especially those identified as culprits in the report. Both countries agreed also to follow up on any future leads in the cases of those suspected missing.
• In recognition of the discovery that these Ghanaians and other ECOWAS nationals were victims of a human trafficking scam, and because of the regional dimension of the problem, both governments called on ECOWAS Member States to intensify efforts to identify and punish known traffickers with the support of the international community. The two Governments commend the facilitation of the UN and ECOWAS and the work of the Fact–Finding Team.
They express optimism that the finding of the report and the implementation of the decision of their meeting will help to restore and strengthen the traditionally cordial bilateral relations between the countries.
source: citifmonline
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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Karamba
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Posted - 06 Jul 2009 : 20:19:18
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"• Constituent with the finding of fact –finding team, the two parties acknowledge that the government of the Gambia is not directly or indirectly complicit in the deaths and disappearances of the Ghanaian nationals concerned. Nonetheless, the Gambia government agreed to make contributions to families of the six Ghanaians found dead in its territory, in conformity with African traditional values shared by both countries. "
How this agreement was arrived at is no less important matter than the acceptance to pay any sum in the of compensation or what you call it. Can someone help?
Which African tradition says, kill and then compensate?
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 01:18:58
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Moelly's AWOL!
" Calling on all Moelies", for further tweaking.................................................................lol! |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 07:47:29
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Mansasulu, you have basically raised three issues here, they are:
1. How six dead Ghanians became 44 Ghanians
2. Whether 'compensation' and 'contribution' mean the same thing in context of which they are used in this case.
3. Whether to 'resolve' and to 'settle' mean the same thing in the context in which they are used in this case.
I will have to start by saying that this case is not a new case. It has been widely publicized by the media in both Ghana and the Gambia. Nearly all of the initial reports on this case have the general consensus that 44 Ghanians disappeared in the Gambia. The suspicion was that they have been mistaken for coupist against the Jammeh regime and therefore killed by the armed forces of the Gambia.
1. Now how did the initial 44 became 6 ? Here is the deal: The bodies of the six dead are recovered and the rest are not (yet). In legal terms, the bodies of the crime (corpus delecti) in the case of the six is established (found). Therefore, the U.N./ECOWAS-supervized settlement or resolution addresses only the six whose dead bodies are recovered. However, there is a clause in the settlement agreement that states that "Both countries agreed also to follow up on any leads in the cases of those suspected missing". This obviously indicates that there is general belief by the parties in both countries that the dead and the missing are not limited to the six bodies discovered, and the door remains open for compensation/contribution in those cases too ...
2. 'Compensation' or 'Contribution'? In ordinary language these are completely different meanings and outcomes. However, we are not dealing with ordinary language here. We are dealing with language of diplomacy and conflict resolution. The agreement reached in this case is a negotiated consensus. Therefore, it required both sides to give up something (to compromise) as reflected in the language of the agreement. The trick here is that through a clever use of language the level of conflict is down graded and adjusted to a level acceptable to both sides. So whether it is 'compensation or 'contribution', it is like what Mandingos will refer to as "ninso" or "turra ning juloo". The goal of the agreement is to restore cordial bilateral relations between the two countries. To achieve that apparently, Ghana have had to let some steam off this matter and the Gambia will then agree to pay. There is both a content issue and a relational issue in this conflict. The important thing is that the Gambia is paying money. Got it ?
3. 'Resolution' or 'settlement'? A resolution appears to be a an umbrella term referring to several methods (example, a court of law, fist fight, or negotiation...), through which a conflict is or can be brought to an end. A settlemnt, however appears to be a specific term, at least in the legal sense, for which a conflict is brought to an end when the parties agree to something less than the full price of the conflict. Settlement allows parties to save face, avoid the high cost of litigation, and sometimes restore good relationship. In the adversarial system of the court of law, the winner takes all and he/she often aim to inflict the greatest damage on the losing party. There is no compromise, as this is one of the methods civilized people destroy and consume each other. This method, through the adversarial system of the law courts resolves the conflict but the enemity and the bitterness between the parties may endure for many many years as each side attempts to inflict the greatest damage to the other. In conflict resolution, court settlement or out-of-court settlement (as in the Gambia/Ghana case) the focus is on relational rather than content or power issues. Therefore, each side settle for something less than would be expected in an adversarial system...
Here are the latest references to the 44 Ghanians:
http://www.afrol.com/articles/25986
http://www.graphicghana.com/news/page.php?news=2456 |
Edited by - kayjatta on 07 Jul 2009 08:37:38 |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 15:31:33
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Kay frankly, I am disappointed. Sometimes you are overtly overzealous that you become borderline irrational (please dont take offense). There is a joint report issued on behalf of the two countries and for some reason you keep on posting links that do not reflect the outcome of the actual negotiations between the two countries. You will agree with me that there are parties who have no interest in seeing this issue resolved. Both countries are not comfortable with the irrepairable long term damage this could do to the relationship between Ghana and Gambia.
We, Ghanains and Gambians no doubt may have our difference between our respective governments, but there comes a time when need to give diplomacy a chance.
Officially Ghana petitioned for 6 of its nationals and for some reason you are trying to advance a theory that blows everything out of proportion. Furthermore, may I remind you that at the point of the issuance of the joint statement, NO bodies were recovered, exhumed or whatever. Perhaps you should quit trying to metamorphosize 6 into 44...it isn't working. I have seen figures as high as 400 Ghanians. This case can be as old as humanity itself but fabricating the facts will only lead to more conjecture in what truely happened.
You may have already indicted Gambia for this unfortunate incident, but for God sake both governements and the international institutions have decided to amicably resolve the issue. Perhaps you need to be reminded that diplomacy is not a zero-sum game. This is not a legal issue, but a diplomatic one and we should as such treat it as one. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 17:49:06
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
Kay frankly, I am disappointed. Sometimes you are overtly overzealous that you become borderline irrational (please dont take offense). There is a joint report issued on behalf of the two countries and for some reason you keep on posting links that do not reflect the outcome of the actual negotiations between the two countries. You will agree with me that there are parties who have no interest in seeing this issue resolved. Both countries are not comfortable with the irrepairable long term damage this could do to the relationship between Ghana and Gambia.
We, Ghanains and Gambians no doubt may have our difference between our respective governments, but there comes a time when need to give diplomacy a chance.
Officially Ghana petitioned for 6 of its nationals and for some reason you are trying to advance a theory that blows everything out of proportion. Furthermore, may I remind you that at the point of the issuance of the joint statement, NO bodies were recovered, exhumed or whatever. Perhaps you should quit trying to metamorphosize 6 into 44...it isn't working. I have seen figures as high as 400 Ghanians. This case can be as old as humanity itself but fabricating the facts will only lead to more conjecture in what truely happened.
You may have already indicted Gambia for this unfortunate incident, but for God sake both governements and the international institutions have decided to amicably resolve the issue. Perhaps you need to be reminded that diplomacy is not a zero-sum game. This is not a legal issue, but a diplomatic one and we should as such treat it as one.
Whether its 4, 6 , or 400 all these dead people have families maybe wives and children,very littl has been mentioned about them ! no wonder I have no time for politics
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 20:22:27
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| Toubab the point I am trying to make is that it is very much possibly that the deaths have nothing to do with politics. Trust me, I am not a huge fan of politics as well. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Jul 2009 : 01:22:28
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
Kay frankly, I am disappointed. Sometimes you are overtly overzealous that you become borderline irrational (please dont take offense). There is a joint report issued on behalf of the two countries and for some reason you keep on posting links that do not reflect the outcome of the actual negotiations between the two countries. You will agree with me that there are parties who have no interest in seeing this issue resolved. Both countries are not comfortable with the irrepairable long term damage this could do to the relationship between Ghana and Gambia.
We, Ghanains and Gambians no doubt may have our difference between our respective governments, but there comes a time when need to give diplomacy a chance.
Officially Ghana petitioned for 6 of its nationals and for some reason you are trying to advance a theory that blows everything out of proportion. Furthermore, may I remind you that at the point of the issuance of the joint statement, NO bodies were recovered, exhumed or whatever. Perhaps you should quit trying to metamorphosize 6 into 44...it isn't working. I have seen figures as high as 400 Ghanians. This case can be as old as humanity itself but fabricating the facts will only lead to more conjecture in what truely happened.
You may have already indicted Gambia for this unfortunate incident, but for God sake both governements and the international institutions have decided to amicably resolve the issue. Perhaps you need to be reminded that diplomacy is not a zero-sum game. This is not a legal issue, but a diplomatic one and we should as such treat it as one.
No, no offense at all; I have passed that stage . I do think though you need a math lesson here: 44 - 6 = 38, okay ... . Just messing with on that one, but seriously you have not made any further case. Instead you have just basically repeated all that I have just said:
1. the agreement between Ghana and the Gambia over the death of the (confirimed ) six dead Ghanaians in the Gambia is a diplomatic intervention. It was not by an ECOWAS or ICC court. In diplomacy or conflict resolution the nature of the language used often reflect the nature of compromise the parties make in order to reach a consensus...
2. There is a clause in the agreement ( "Both countries agreed also to follow up on any leads in the cases of those suspected missing") that indicates that there is acknowledgement of more (the 38 other) Ghanians still missing.
3. I have said that both Ghana and the Gambia are interested in restoring good relations, and one of this agreement's most important goal is to address that 'relational issue' refered to as the "...traditionally cordial bilateral relations ..." and the "...African traditional values shared by both countries".
3. Did you say no bodies were recovered ... in the Gambia? Well this is from the text of the 'agreement':
" Constituent with the finding of fact –finding team, the two parties acknowledge that the government of the Gambia is not directly or indirectly complicit in the deaths and disappearances of the Ghanaian nationals concerned .nonetheless, the Gambia government agreed to make contributions to families of the six Ghanaians found dead in its territory, in conformity with African traditional values shared by both countries."
Let me further say that my intention is not to forment a war between Ghana and the Gambia. I recognize that both countries are under enormous political pressure to resolve this matter. However; criminal acts like this mass murder of innocent people must not be brushed under the rug. In the sacred name of transparency, we owe it to ourselves, the victims, and to the people of this world to bring this issue to greater light, discuss it publicly, and resolve it adequately. I am glad diplomacy has worked in this case, because, even if nothing else, it helped reduce the cloud of genocide over Jammeh's head. No wonder he is going around saying that "Africa will not be colonized again" in reference to the International Criminal Court (ICC) attempt to indict African leaders has overseen the mass murder and disappearance of their citizens and others.
Thanks for your take.
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