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kayjatta
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 Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 22:14:54
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It seems to me a futile endeavor to compare and contrast Jawara and Jammeh.
Jawara's strong point is the human rights area while Jammeh's strong point is the infrastructural development area.
Perhaps we would remember Jawara in our history books for his strong adherence to the principles of human rights if he had left power voluntarily in 1994. If Jammeh decides to leave power peacefully soon many will remember him for his development oriented programs.
Yet one thing is worrying about Jammeh. He alledgedly has a lot of blood on his hands, and this could make him a worse president than Jawara. |
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 23:07:44
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He is a coward. This cowardise is evident in him all the time. So paranoid that that even at a take off of a fly he thinks his head is off.
Always trying to eleminate the ones he is scared of through framing them in nonsensical unfounded aledged coup plots.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 23:12:48
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| Well kayjatta you have concluded well. Infrastructure is of no use when your liberties are denied. You are suposed to enjoy during developemnt and not denied its fruits id there is any developmaent at all. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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blackerberry2004
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 23:17:43
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Although Jawara was wanting in some areas, he is better than the killer Jammeh on all measures. The so-called development that is attributed to Jammeh are merely reckless fiscal policy and that's why inflation is unmanageable. Jammeh's development projects have undermined the basic economic goal of a president, that is, to improve living standard of the masses. For those who understand economics, infrastructure develoment is good only if it goes in tandem with uplifting the general welfare of the people in the long run. I do not prefer to have few nice roads at the expense of starvation and this is what is going on in the Gambia. Fortunately, the economic difficulties faced by the average Gambian are abated by the fact that more Gambians have managed to make it to the West over the past 11 years and have been supporting their immediate and extended family (directly or indirectly). Here is an analogy; a person who amasses a lot of credit card debt to buy furniture and other material stuff to his financial detriment is seen by most reasonable minded people as financially irresponsible. We need development, but it has to be well planned. Jammeh has managed to fool many Gambians by embarking on tangible projects so he can gleefully show how much better he is than Jawara. Yet most of these projects are total failures, such as the arch, 'medicineless and doctorless' hospitals/health centers, teacherless schools, etc. This is not to say that none of his projects were necessary, but most were ill-planned.
So Jammeh is NOT development -oriented. He is only interested in what can boost his ego. And by the way, Jammeh takes alot of credit on developments spearheaded by nongovernment groups such as The World Bank, Kuwaiti Fund, etc. These entities have recently started directly involving in full or partial management of their sponsored projects to avoid these funds going into the pockets of politicians. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Apr 2006 : 23:24:58
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| bLACKBBERRY. yOU ARE NOW REDBERRY. YOU HAVE BEEN UPGRADED. CHOOO!!!!! BOMNA |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 17:01:31
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| On the issue of "Tribalism" who have a better track record in political appointments between them? |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 17:26:30
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| Kobo, it's very difficult to submit a paper that would hold water on the issue of tribal appointments, Jawara vs Jammeh. Jawara made cross-tribal appointments of those he could mould. Jammeh said he's tired of sacking, so u dont call his (Jammeh's) two days appointments as appointments, do u? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Apr 2006 : 17:58:52
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| Let's check certain surnames which are have deeply rooted tribal cannotations and imply which tribe by coincidence or artificial design one belongs to? Sometimes there are surnames that have cross tribal links, however it is a tragic common phenomena to ascribe certain surnames for e.g Jammeh, Badjie, Bojang, Sanyang, Tombong,Beyai,Tamba. Sambou, Jatta etc to belong to a certain group of tribe shrewdly or inaccurately. Have we seen many bearing these surnames occupying various key positions in the sense of "tribalism" under Jammeh than Jawara's era with his clan. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 15:34:20
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Originally posted by kobo
[quote]Originally posted by kobo
Let's check certain surnames which are have deeply rooted tribal cannotations and imply which tribe by coincidence or artificial design one belongs to? Sometimes there are surnames that have cross tribal links, however it is a tragic common phenomena to ascribe certain surnames for e.g Jammeh, Badjie, Bojang, Sanyang, Tombong,Beyai,Tamba. Sambou, Jatta etc to belong to a certain group of tribe shrewdly or inaccurately. Have we seen many bearing these surnames occupying various key positions in the sense of "tribalism" under Jammeh than Jawara's era with his clan.
The scenario that I attempt to depict above may not neccesarily reflect ordinarily the thinking of Gambians in general. As some of these words e,g. "tribalism", althogh a menace it is difficult to make it fit properly. However to put it in proper perspective, who is more "raciststs," Jawara or Jammeh? Racism includes tribalism and all forms of discrimination. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 17:13:21
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Kobo, when shall we see the closure of this your oneline topic that is turning into a volume? Everyday u come up with a new branch of the same topic. People are beginning to exhaust their arsenal of expressions on your one topic that's turning into a volume.
What do u really want; do u want listmembers to chop off their heads and send them thru your email for assurance? Am not prepared to loose my head for your topic.
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OB1
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 : 11:16:46
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Is it not obvious? Jammeh is 100 times worse! I always thought Jawara was lazy, and lacked initiative. But when Jammeh came in...wow! The guy is shamfully corrupt, he is a tyrant, and a complete bafoon! Just take the economy, pre- 1994 to date? Better or worse? Education RESULTS (not structures schools)better or worse? Unemployment more or less? Poverty-up or down? Deaths within the army, civilian etc...more or less? Freedom of expression, more or less? Repressive Laws passed by parliament, more or less? Look at the budget 1994, and the budget 2005, better or worse? And did the IMF ever sanction Gambia during Jawara's time? I cannot recall it. Finally, IF Jawara were in power during the debt forgiveness period would we qualify? I dare say would have! Is Jammeh WORSE than Jawara? ABSOLUTELY!
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 02:56:29
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Originally posted by bamba
Kobo, when shall we see the closure of this your oneline topic that is turning into a volume? Everyday u come up with a new branch of the same topic. People are beginning to exhaust their arsenal of expressions on your one topic that's turning into a volume.
What do u really want; do u want listmembers to chop off their heads and send them thru your email for assurance? Am not prepared to loose my head for your topic.
Bamba, its now time to take the bull by its horns. You claim that Bantaba is not for censorship. With your comments, are you on censorship or otherwise? Ignore a topic if it does not interest you please. You are one in a million! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 03:25:13
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| For me Bamba to clarify on this topic, is an attempt to make a survey of average Gambian opinions expressed between the two leaders. Jammeh toppled 30 years of Jawara's democratically elected government and unknown to Gambians promised to make a difference with these declarations "soldiers with a difference, promised to eradicate all forms of corruption, transparency, accountability,and democracy". Now he has ruled since July 22, 1994 or just 11 years plus. It may be illogical to some of you but am trying to bring in certain pointers for us to reflect on justification of July 22nd as assessment of Jammeh's reign. Towards the end statistics can be gathered from the positives and negatives on this emphirical research and forming your own judgements. |
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kassma
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 08:38:39
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| they're both bad. jawara should be horse-whipped, i don't care how old he is and that his term is over. jammeh should be caught right now, horse-whipped and then exiled. i don't know what horrors need to happen for people to care enough to act. and when i say people, i mean Gambians in Gambia and Gambians in the dispora. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 08:51:59
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| Kobo, now we can continue with your topic as long as it takes, u've now tasted your own medicine. Do u remember your commments on the then dragging tropic "inner cirlce confession"? |
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