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Dalton1
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 Posted - 28 Apr 2006 : 06:47:15
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Hello Sab,
Dalton here ! I am openly a long time admirer of your pieces, especially your qoutations of Ghandi & Mandella. You qoute them perfectly right, without any mistake, and it directed me to many enlightenments.Your pieces are always short, with a wide meaning. It took me a long time to get used to your style of writing. I must request that you add Krumah's knowledge to the versatile one you are blessed with already.
Krumah, a true symbol, had an African agenda. It is true that the damage done by colonilism is more than what history can tell us, because most of it went undocumented. This appears, for the records, the second time, when such heroic icons are read from the other end of the stick, the case for Hon. Malcolm X. I guess until tomorrow his doctrines are not given a chance, because he was one strict guy, straight to the point-ended of being labelled a 'racist.' Honestly, he was not as narrated by strong documentaries, and from a horses mouth, Dr. Larry Pinnkey, of the old black panthers-is still alive and roaring like a lion in the twin cities, and other states of America.
Krumah, started as a struggler in America (authobio.). One of the very few lucky ones to withness the struggles in "Harlem", famous in its name and status, during Marcus Garbi's movement. Harlem was an interesting place with interesting moments in the 40's to 60's. He was blessed to learn activism from the preaches of those strong movements, together with the wisdom that he was bestowed with.
I know Halifa Sallah too, to some extend might supersede Krumah if given a chance, and the very people to undermine him would be only selfish politicians in this case, not whites as was the case for Krumah. They have many things in common, one is decent and mature politics, secondary to an African agenda. "Nadd is African agenda", said Halifa-direct quote.
Very often, there are always controversies about great people, or the least to say any one. It all depends on the school of thought you belong, and the history materials you researched on. History adds up every day. Currently, in the Gambia, a lot of people will read and rate Jammeh in another angle. If you belong to Pa Nderry's school of thought, then you cannot be in the same shoes with FJC, who is a dead worshipper of Jammeh, as she told me on the phone one time. She was praising Jammeh on the phone to the extend that the intended interview had to be postponed. My interview panel were getting even more impatient, because of the praise-singing that FJC was raining on the speaker phone.
My dearest Sab, Krumah's legacy is a healthy one. We will touchbase on it later.
Krumah's life summary to be continued after a brief research.
Regards ,
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 : 20:26:35
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Greetings Dalton, thanks for your kind words. Had not given much thought to my style of writing, usually quick and uncomplicated? I am often misunderstood, but pleased to know you see through my issues as intended. Having had a medical career it has not been necessary to write day to day in good English, but the casualty trauma jargon, plus time is always running out, (which goes with age too I suppose) so I tend to cut corners.
Bantaba! I know we all thank Momodou greatly, in times of anxiety & sadness, appreciating the technology he has brought to us to communicate instantly without e-mail addresses. Added to this he has brought to us all other forms of education, such as these postings yesterday. I look forward to reading more African observations on Kwane Nkrumah, and will definitely take a read to broaden my blurred vision on him.
Someone posted he had British connection? He did attend the London School of Economics in 1945 and organized the Fifth Pan-African Conference in Manchester.
On quotes; Mandela still quotes with us today, but Walter Sisulu, Mahatma Ghandi & many other great men & women who have passed though our world with quotes and words of wisdom makes you realize we have not come very far at all, the words still being very apt today!
Dalton, from our previous postings you are aware of my admiration for the late Walter Sisulu and felt his name should have a ‘recall’ with the best. Without Walter there would have been no ‘Mandela.’
Kind regards have a peaceful and good weekend to all.
Regards, sab
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2006 : 22:14:56
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Sab,
My memory back, Walter is ur favorite in here. I would like to add Steve Biko, and Mbeki in the south African struggle. Your contribution is of immense help, gives direction to any student. Such can only come from one conscious of those happenings, appreciative of it, and acting by the law. I remember your part on the Gambian constitution too, notably part 7. It took me so high, remembering what happened to George Weah, when he was getting close to being stop from contesting regarding his outside activities. We clap hands for online activists, creating unity, awareness and flowing information fastly. Hardly, a closure and arresting writers like the Independent Newspaper. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 02:42:10
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Originally posted by salimina
Ganbi, as far as i know, none of nkrummahs parent are form the gambia.Your friend might have mistaken nkrummah with another person.Lets create our own nkrummah.Halifa is a fitting symbol but he has to appologised for his social ideals. It has no place in the modern world.
Salimina, don't you think you appear to have been out of order with these statements. I haven't seen any postings mentioning Nkrumah's parents or stating Nkrumah to be a Gambian. Furthermore don't understand "apologised for his social ideals. It has no place in the modern world." To me these words appears to be vague and meaningless trying to discredit any postings or contibutions within someone's limited knowledge willing to share his ideals with others for common good of people. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 10:13:12
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Originally posted by sab
The postings are much appreciated I am pleased to read about Kwame Nkrumah from a different perspective. It has been an education, and I will eventually take on the book Kondorong suggests. Bantaba use to have another member (LS) some time ago that held Nkrumah in high esteem and suggested then I should read up on him. I realize from the posting that much is to be learnt and I should have taken his advice.
To overthrow oppression is the highest aspiration of every free man - Mandela - Pretoria 1962.
Sab this piece could help us to realised that there is no "perfect" leader but its better to look for an "ideal" leader under any circumstances. Presently in Gambian politics our ideal leader could be Halifa Sallah. |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 17:30:25
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Kobo, is very good to talk but one needs to be realistic as well.Halifa is well known advocate of socialism and every gambian knows about that and he still believed in the ideals. If he wants us to know that he definitely dressed it down, he should tell all us in public by appologising.The ideal that he advocate before is outmoded.Socilism has no place in the modern world.
Cocerning about Nkrummahs parents to be gambian i refer you to a posting by Ganbi on the 27 of last month on this same topic then you will know what am talking about.I dont think i will talk about something out of context.Am little bit above that.Is good to criticise but try to be constructive. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 18:50:45
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Salimina:
Over the years , I have observed a slight transformation of PDOIS' political ideology.This could be in response to the "big events" in global politics.
However, rather than having no place in this world , we are witnessing what some experts call a "re-emergence of socialism".The current political direction of some Latin American countries are often cited as evidence of this.
Furthermore, many developed countries including U.S.A. and Britain have mixed economies-mixing socialist and capitalist agenda in economic policy.The labor party of Britain and the Democratic party of the U.S. are largely socialist .Scandinevia(Norway, Sweden, Denmark,...)and (until recently)France have huge socialist programs.
For decades , capitalism has not worked much for Africa; yet this is not to say that Socialism has worked, even for Nyerere's Tanzania.The point Ia am trying to underscore however is that our problem is not mainly that of ideology than of substance. Capitalism as laid down by Adam Smith does not exist anywhere in this world, and socilaism or Marxism as laid down by Karl Marx exist nowhere in this world (in fact Marx and Marxism is a subject of much misunderstanding and distortion around the world).
I would like to end with the words of Nkrumah "seek ye the political kingdom first ..."
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 19:06:39
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| Good points MBADING but PDOIS believes in real socialism. They believe in it wholeheartedly.People can say what they want to say but no one can explain differently what i already know about PDOIS.So halifa to lead a democratically elected government, there is no wrong for him to apologise about his past beliefs. Halifa is human and lets look at him like that otherwise we cannot criticise if he made mistakes.We make dictators and then complain if they belittle us. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 19:46:28
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Salimina:
Halifa does not have to apologise to anyone for his present or past political believes.There is or was nothing wrong with upholding the ideology(ies) he had at any given time.Having socialist ideas is not wrong to require an apology . An apology must be based on wrong doing.
Also,I do not think Halifa and PDOIS are as dogmatic and ideologically constant as they have been often accused of.I have observed a lot of flexibility in Halifa and the party lately.One thing that seems unchanging in Halifa and Co. is their dedication to remaining humble servants of the people of the Gambia.
Besides Halifa's rule is only transitional ( 5 years) mainly to level the political landscape for future contenders and rulers.
However, you are right that Gambians should scrtinize Halifa , just like other political aspirants , and particularly ask questions concerning his political and economic ideology.We will all benefit from knowing him more.
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Biraago
Gambia
173 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 19:48:01
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Salima,
I just want to know why Halifa should appologies for subscribing to the idea of SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE... Is it because we are told by some imperialists that is wrong to behave such a belief or is it you own preconception of social intergration that some need to enjoy the national wealth at the expences of others?
Is we are experiencing, today it is becoming a taboo to call oneself a Muslim beacuse the imperialists need to control the world economic resources and have found out that the riches natural resources (oil, uranium etc..) are in the hands of people of Muslim beliefs.
As it is also a taboo to be BLACK and worst of all an AFRICAN in many corners of his planet.
What alternative can you present to us in place of socio-economic justice?
If socio-economic justice is the wrong road to follow, why complain about Yahya Jammeh?
If we are to refute socio-economic justice then it is best to struggle hard and wait for one's turn to exploit our people.
If this is what you want, go to the Gambian worker or farmer and tell him/her that and wait for their reaction.
I hope the conscious Gambians don't subscribe to your un-refined abvocacies.
By the way, what are you advocating for?
PS
NADD has notinh to do with a specific ISM. It is an alliance for all peace loving and justice oriented Gambians.
Please give us a break with this out moded APRC, JAWARA, UDP propaganda in disguise. The young Gambians are very conscious to identify any disguised anti-NADD propaganda these days.
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 20:54:12
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| Thanks kayjatta. but for biraago i wish i have time for you. i will put senses in you next time.NADD is a failure. what is the essence of intelligence if it cannot be used to solve problems? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 21:26:43
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Looking at the comments above I do observed that there are different perceptions of Halifa Sallah, the party he represents and what they advocate or his idealism and reliability to lead or move Gambia forward in the democratic process. Anyone is entitled to your opinion but I am one of those very impressed with him as astute leader, intellectual and good statesman in the way he engaged in politics. He is very rational minded and very humble and I don't have words to describe this gentleman as a very elucidite person in any given political situation. There is no doubt today he is considered by many as a heavyweight champion in Gambian politics. That makes him an ideal candidate for Gambians to rally behind him as we have not seen most of the critisms against him for he stand for justice, transparency and democracy. He understands what stewardship means and scrutinises all Government activities.He reviews all areas of government policies and simplify the technicalities through the Foraaya medium. Since the days of Jawara he is one of the most active participants of Gambian politics and reviews compliance of provisions of the constitution, all government plans and budgets tabled before the house of reps. Apart from reviews gave alternative proposals and necessary advices with his team of technocrats.
Finally I called upon my fellow Gambians, Halifa is our saviour; please don't let what happen to the jews happen to you by seeing "Jesus and not accepting him as the Messiah that was prophecy" and the some of the Arabs by seeing "Muhamd s.a.w. and not accepting him as the prophet that God proclaim to sent to all mankind" because they eat and live with him ordinarily. If you could show me another ideal candidate as ready or competent as Halifa to lead, implement radical changes of the political climate in terms of promotion of tolerant, freedom of expression, transparency, justice and democracy please subscribe his name. When will be ready to move forward the Gambia. Let Yaya Jammeh continue with what he is doing and don't scrutinise him but continue scrutinising Halifa and bring retardness. We will never see the light at the end of the tunnel. If we cannot distinguish who our genuine leader Gambia needs today we will never have one again. |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 01 May 2006 : 22:12:02
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Thanks Kobo. I don't have more to add to your well refined statement.
As we have always agreed, Halifa is not perfect and is only an able representative for our common and noble wishes and as you rightly mentioned, their is no other candidate present at this stage beter fitted to the position in which we wish him to perform.
His failure shall only be due to our common reptrogress which I dont think most Gambians wish for their future.
Halifa is not a prophet but a humble servant of the aspirations of all Gambians yearning for peace, justice, equality and meaningful development.
this man among a few others could have concentrated on enriching themselves or become occasional politician when the time permits but NO, they have dedecated all their lives for our development. Te list we could give in return is to make sure that we appretiate their sacrifies and steadfast endeavour.
We need more seless Gambians to join the struggle for self liberation.
I for myself forgive those who wish to be in the dark but shall in my small ability, shall never ever stand by to witness this process of our liberation derailed. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2006 : 22:47:22
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Originally posted by salimina
Kobo, is very good to talk but one needs to be realistic as well.Halifa is well known advocate of socialism and every gambian knows about that and he still believed in the ideals. If he wants us to know that he definitely dressed it down, he should tell all us in public by appologising.The ideal that he advocate before is outmoded.Socilism has no place in the modern world.
Cocerning about Nkrummahs parents to be gambian i refer you to a posting by Ganbi on the 27 of last month on this same topic then you will know what am talking about.I dont think i will talk about something out of context.Am little bit above that.Is good to criticise but try to be constructive.
That was oversighted. Thanks for clarification. |
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KACHADA1ST
Gambia
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Posted - 02 May 2006 : 09:21:29
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I have been a keen observant of your views and ideas with regards to politics in The Gambia. It is good we atleast have a forum to express our views and opinions about current events about our country and Africa in a whole. With regards to comparing Halifa and Nkrummah, I think the people of any country would be glad to have a leader like Nkrummah.
Despite his suppresion of the socalled principles of western democratic ideologies, Ghana was one of the most advance nations in Africa. Ghana the only African nation during Nkrummah's period was able to launch a space program, was able to play head with two leading superpower (USA, and Russia)during the cold war, and many other developments. Ghana had its independence the same year with Malaysia. The two countries were both colonized by the British, they had the same economic status after independence, but can anyone see the difference in these countries today.
Malaysia has become a world class economist, having the world's tallest buildings. A good net work of transportation system, education, one of the most advance computers programmers and builders are Malaysians etc. Malaysian were ruled under what so many of us would say was a dictatorial kind of government. But we all can see the rapid development of this country in such a system of gov't. I think Africans are been brained washed with the west, by simply protraying their evil ideas about democarcy. Which country has democracy? I always asked when i am asked if my country had democracy. I think the only way we as Africans can change our countinent is by concentrating more on how to prevent the younger ones back here, not to have the same inferiority as many who had already left for the west and would never come back.
I think Nkrummah was trying to adapt to the same system of governance, but was unsucesseful. So one may come to the conclusion, if Ghanians had given him that opportunity to rule, despite the supression of their speech etc, may be things might have been different. Malaysia's economy today can triple Ghana's.
I really like Halifa, and his ideas. He was a friend of mine. I remember talking to him, and we always invite him to my school, to give out speeches. I think he is a good sample of Julius Nyerere than Nkrummah. The former president of Tanjania. Halifa has a simple and humble life, which is a good characteristic of Nyerere, Nyerere use to ride a bicycle in the streets of Tanjania and matter of fact to office, he was only one of the African leaders who refused to stay in the colonial buildings (State house)of the colonist after independence. He lived in a hut house. I have been to Halifa's home, i saw how he lived, they use to give me rides after school, i have seen the cars they drove, i have also been to Sedia's apt, these people are pure examples of leaders we need in Africa. We need leaders who would build good roads, before buying the most expensive or fansy cars only to be spoiled with pot-holes. We need leaders who would only provide good electric service, before buying a 62inch plasma TV, only to stand without electricity. We need leaders who would only eat when their subjects had been fed and full first, not leaders who would spend more on their animals in their private zoos. We need leaders, who would fight to death, in case of a coup, but not leaders who would only seek refuge in case on trouble, and leave their subject.
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