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somita
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 15:28:02
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Sab, that is most unfair apprasal of Dr Nkrumah. The guy had failed in some aspects, I mean he could have done better but he made lots progress, countable progress, how I hope could have mention some of The abled Dr's advancements of Ghanian society and Africa in General. If one looks back to Nkrumah's economic theory, one can only wish time is reversible. The guy is perhaps one of Africa's best head on his day.
Nkrumah's projects fail partly becasue of his anti-west agender, the institution that undermined and plotted against him and many others Africans, unfortunately this institution still continue to plot against Africa. |
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salimina
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 19:05:43
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| Ganbi, as far as i know, none of nkrummahs parent are form the gambia.Your friend might have mistaken nkrummah with another person.Lets create our own nkrummah.Halifa is a fitting symbol but he has to appologised for his social ideals. It has no place in the modern world. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 19:18:37
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This is interasting. Nkrummah is one of the best sons of Africa.
Sab i am not sure if you have been to Ghana. I have been there many times. Nkrummah failed because he was undermined and his call for United States of Africa was a threat to the west. Thye eliminated him. He had big plans. he built universities, free education was available in ghana at any level, he built roads, he constructed a dam that was supplying surplus energy to Togo and Benin. No country since Nrummah managed to produce excess capacity let alone export it.
He built huge silos to store cocoa beans to protect african farmers beause the west wanted to pay a low price for their hard earned produce. These silos are still in Acrra and i saw them. Sadly they have not been used since he was deposed an example of waste in African politics.Mind you these silos were for any african country that so needed to store their beans so that they could control price. He was fighting capitalism. Today Nkrummah is very relevant as far as the cofee beans trade is concerend. Talk to Ghanians, Ivorians or Latin American idegineous people. Great people die but their spirits and legacies live on beyond them and always relevant.
All great sons of africa have been killed, Sankara, Patrice Lumumba or even if they succeeded were isolated by every one. The likes of Seku Ture is a classic example. Guinea suffered becasue France never liked a Pan Africanist and they had their own currency different from the CFA Francs. He was literally on economic sanctions and many African Presidents avoided him beause they were told to do so or they will be deposed. Hardship therefore increased which expalins the large Guinean population scattered across west Africa.
Nkrummah pushed for independence in Africa being the first country in 1957, opened up Gahanian universities to Africans for free.
Nkrummah was hated beacsue mainly of his call for unity and also his using of Ghanian resources for the whole of Africa. They were scared that their resources will be depleted and hence had to get rid of him
Sab, i will ask you to read the Book Africa Must Unite. You will begin to respect the man. I had many books about the Osagyefo as he was locally known.
In Ghana you do not need an ID or permit to visist them. It was like home from home. I beleiev he was frustated that he would not realise the lofty dream of unification and the one party system was mainly to be able to galvanise the nation to this ultimate objective rather than as a means to stifle free speech. The opposition were being used to undermine him and legitimise the fears of the west. Nkrumah saw what was happening to Blacks in America and Europe and never liked it. This raged him and as we are all human , we sometimes make mistakes. he could not comprehend how some Gahanians were wooing the west knowing how rough they had treated his race.
It was based on the later premise on Dubois and others were calling for Africans in th diaspora to go back to the motherland. You have to put your self into pre independence africa, then you will begin to understand Nkrummah. he came too early for his time when many africans were still worshiping the colonialist. I went up to his grave in Ghane were he was reburied. Seku wanted to attack Accra and bring Nkrummah back to office but he refused. he was not power hungry. he died in exile but today gahanians have more regrets than any jubilations by overthrowing the best son Ghana ever had. Africa is a tragedy.
Nkrummah had socialist believes partly because of his hatred for slavery in America and partly becasue of his distaste for wealth. Ne had no account in Ghana or anywhere in the world. The man is not as bad as many in the west tried to paint him.
Infact his widow died very poor. He was giant of Africa and a victim of the cold war. It was said that immediately when he was deposed, Uncle Sam Kofas agent who was positioned in Acra had a promotion. There was a link that the cold war was being played out in Ghana one of the best show case of post independent country in Africa. Ghana was a beacon of hope for everyone. Ghana has never seen the pace of development since Knrummah was overthrown.
"....LONG LIVE THE AFRICAN INTERCONTINENTAL GOVERNMENT THAT MUST BE..." The Osagyefo (Nkrummah)
You may have benefited from Nkrummah's free education by the many Gahanian teachers in the Gambia. As Knrummah ably said "... If you are going to measure by achievements by the heights i have attained, be prepared to measure from the depths i came from..." This is an interesting issue that needs a lot of writing and unfortunately i am hard pressed with time these days. May be i will one day come to it in detail. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 19:25:18
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Somita, lets say yes, Nkrumah was despotic for the well-being and the entire progress of the African continent. There are some elements one has to get rid of, no-matter how, for the sake of collective progress. Whites started following the law by the letter when they became totally successful. How many despotic leaders did whites have down the line? Whites know, and fully well so, that imposition of their present values would confuse developing societies along the path. It's a premeditated plan.
Nkrumah did what he should have done for African unity's consciousness. Who is free from blame, especially when the blame is the entire good for those concerned. I have no time to discuss kwame Nkrumah's short-comings. Some mistakes are necessitated. |
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salimina
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 19:36:01
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| Nkrummah is one of the great sons of africa.he made mistakes by not concentrating too much on Ghanaians affairs rather than delved too much into african problems(which he was not elected for).The other notable mistake( if it was) he did was by blocking or underminding wests interest which is evil in their eyes(west).The west understands only one thing. That is what ever you are doing,never interfere with their interest otherwise you will be another victim. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 19:50:44
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sALIMIANA
You see there is nothing wrong in him protecting his interests. What is wrong is for the west to get rid of him because he was trying to develop his country. That is what independence means.
I believe if we had succeeded in having a United Staes of Africa, all of us would not have been flipping burgers or waiting tables in the west. Africa would have emerged as a partner in development rather than as a consumer yearning for crumbs that we have become today. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 19:59:12
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| Kon, do you believe that african integration overwhelmingly is a good thing? As far as i am concerned, i think at that particular time, the intergration notion will be a blunder. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 20:13:35
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| I am not sure if we will see unification in our life time. It will be agood thing to have but i think only when hell freezes. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 20:20:07
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N'krumah had no family from The Gambia. all his family are from a village on the west of Ghana near the border with Ivory Coast.
this is a man who was ahead of his time, one of our finest. it is not africa that lost him, ask the ghanians if '' his grandiose development schemes '' have failed. infact a friend of mine from there told me that anything that still works was put in place by NKrumah. he built the Akosombo Dam, creating the biggest man made lake in the world at the time. he did it and exported power to Ivory Coast, Togo, Benin. today Ghana imports electricity from Ivory Coast!! . he was going to built the second one further up north, they still ''talking'' about the project with the world bank into and out just talking!!!
like Sekou Touray they understood the West very well but wanted to play on a level playing field. for this they were underminded openly. Guinea suffered because she didnt join the French community!! and when Guineans supported their brothers (Cabral & co) next door in Guinea Bissau, Portugal tried to invade her in a failed attempt.
another example of his ''grandiose development schemes'' were to build up a peace keeping force or rapid deployment unit. this was partly in response to what was happening in the Congo at the time. today we all know what the CIA and Belgians did there.
Guinea and Ghana were united briefly, NKrumah became co-president of Guinea afterwards. these things would never happen today. just look at Tchad and Sudan, very soon they will be at war.
the people who dont have ''grandiose development schemes'' are the darlings of the West. these are the stupid africans. when Lumbumba was killed, enter Mobutu. no one is more grateful than the Swiss bankers.
when there was a coup in The Gambia in 1994, one of the first people to condemn it then was Mugabe at the commonwealth, ofcourse at that time he was London's darling. when he stopped playing , that's when he became a dictator.
the closest to NKrumah is Mbeki both in vision and will,
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 20:31:42
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Njuks thanks
I did not know he was co-president in Guinea. Certainly i know that Seku would trade his life for him. They were really pan africanist out to devlop the whole continent.
Guinea had in their constitution for dissoulution of the state and join the United States of Africa. It was the only country in Africa actually ready and institutionalised in their constitution a part from Ghana.
Co-presidents not posible today. Ouatarra is an example in Ivory coast. He cannot be president beause they say he is not a citizen but was infact a prime minsiter i believe or some senior government official.
I did not know you had a taste for history. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 20:33:36
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salimina
i agree with you. i dont see african unity happening. infact i think its better to talk of regions groupings. african unity is partly Nkrumah idea and currently africans have lost control of even the ''concept itself'' when they killed the OAU
the AU doesnt do anything without the approval of the West, and needs the West to fund most of its operations like peace keeping etc. infact the AU is simpling mimicking the EU both in name, policies , institutions it is trying to create.
the EU is a divergent agenda, a strong core expanding to share its success with others based on ''common values''
African unity is a convergent agenda, 50 or more weak states that should come together for strength but more importantly share their resources to create successes and prosperity.
the two are different. if this continues african unity will not happen |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 20:57:38
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I dont believe in entire African unity, this will never happen. I believe in the league of black nations like Chinwezu( a Nigerian writer) categorically states in his book, " decolonizing the African mind". Black Africans cant unite with Berbers, Arabs. They are people who dont consider blacks to be equal humans.
Ghadaffi of Libya remorselessly distabilizes black Africa with pleasure. |
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rah
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Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 21:44:06
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Link regarding Kwame Nkrumah bio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Nkrumah
In comparison to Halifa, they have some things in common, they have been jailed because of their political beliefs. They are Pan Africanists, yeh, non violent, and much more... Their difference lies on Halifa & Co. seeking only a one term period, to set the records straight. Who can be more humble! yeh,rah
* You're welcome njucks, and what a coincidence. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2006 : 23:14:35
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quote:
Originally posted by rah
Link regarding Kwame Nkrumah bio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Nkrumah
thanks Rah, i just noticed that nkrumah died the same day 34 yrs back, 27th April 1972. |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Apr 2006 : 01:26:33
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The postings are much appreciated I am pleased to read about Kwame Nkrumah from a different perspective. It has been an education, and I will eventually take on the book Kondorong suggests. Bantaba use to have another member (LS) some time ago that held Nkrumah in high esteem and suggested then I should read up on him. I realize from the posting that much is to be learnt and I should have taken his advice.
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