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snuggels
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 Posted - 11 May 2009 : 23:27:02
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BLUE PARROT GAMBIA DON’T GO THERE
BE WARNED.
I paid a deposit for a room to the owner in England many weeks in advance.
On arriving at the accommodation In Gambia I was shocked at the state and disrepair of the room and also the premises
The room had paint peeling of the doors walls and ceiling the bathroom had a musty smell and black dirt around the shower
The pillows on the bed were dirty. Overall nothing appeared clean about the bedding or the room.
The guesthouse it self is not much better and the communal toilets were filthy and an awful smell to match
The place it self did not have a good feel about it you also felt intimidate by the amount of young black guys hanging around the grounds and also outside the premises
I didn’t unpack my bags asked for my deposit back and went else where
The owner said as the deposit was paid in England then she would repay it in England on her return in April. This has never happened.
Overall the place was disgusting You have been warned
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lamby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 00:07:47
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| hi,snuggels i agree with everything you wrote,i made the same mistake when it first opened.a terrible experience,she told me she was the daughter of a british JUDGE, Lord North,if you had stayed,you would have to carry water from bins back to your room,also she didn,t want you to have the overhead fan on at night. the water was for a shower. lamby. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 03:07:46
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by the amount of young black guys
In africa, there are usually black guys! Were you intimidated by their 'youth' or 'blackness'? Or something else?
I did not like the way you sound. Do you know why? I was flying to Sydney with my 20 months old daughter and she was siting besides me and she started crying and behaving very bad. She was the only baby in the plane. One of the passenger about 60 years old, I heard telling that she was disturbed by the baby, she was asking hostess to bring some toys and I heard something like 'black or african baby'. I was very upset, obviously the hostess was very upset with the passenger as well. It was just bad. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 08:04:04
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Turk I dont see a problem with that. The lady was concerned for your baby and your baby is black ..... I dont think that is racist do you?
Perhaps in an ideal world she shouldnt have seen the babies colour and should have just said please bring some toys for the baby.
I think her intentions were good though?
I'm not sure of the gender of the posters about the guest house. But if you were a single female Im sure large groups of youths would seem intimidating. Especially if the securitiy at the guest house wasnt good.
My advice to lone females is to ask for a first floor room, even in the bigger hotels. This aviods people hanging about and knocking on your door....or makes it less likely. Also less bugs!!! Of course many hotels are on one level. Then when shown to the room think about your safety at night....is it well lit, is it near reception etc.... |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 12:36:20
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Bev
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Turk I dont see a problem with that. The lady was concerned for your baby and your baby is black ..... I dont think that is racist do you?
Perhaps in an ideal world she shouldnt have seen the babies colour and should have just said please bring some toys for the baby.
I think her intentions were good though?
I did not expect anything different from someone a white person like you anyway. That white old b... had no good intensions either. She was british that is why. That white f... old granny is no different from other white passangers anyway. They can all kiss my middleeastern/brown/jihadist az..
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But if you were a single female Im sure large groups of youths would seem intimidating
Bev
How come you did not say:
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But if you were a single female Im sure large groups of BLACK/MUSLIM youths would seem intimidating
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 12 May 2009 12:38:12 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 12:49:48
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| Calm down, Turk. It is not all Black and White as you would like to think. Don't you think if you were in crowded bus in the Gambia and your baby was crying like that someone might not refer to him as a "white kid" (or some reference to his skin color). We must not be over-sensitive to any reference to our color, it is only descriptive a lot of times, but of course you know better than I do ... |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 13:08:36
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kayjatta
Oh my god kayjatta. I am actually calm. I just wanted to be little sarcastic when I was addressing Bev who is WHITE :) I thought it was obvious.
Right bev?
The race/colour would not matter if it was innocent description:
"Oh the baby crying is driving me crazy"
"Which baby"
"Oh, that one"
"Which one"
"The one over there, black baby"
is different from
"That black baby (only baby in the bus) is driving me crazy".
Actually Bev said before:
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I see the word used as ...here you are what are you going to give me?!
When people shout it to me I say 'My name is BEV'. If they continue with the generic toubab then personally I think that is racist and I d my best to ignore them.
I would never shout Blackman.....or worse...NEVER.
I notice peoples skin colour in the same way I notice their height, weight, hair, clothes....PART of a description. Also character is part of any description i would give.
So my guide ie black, 5ft 10in, close shaven, good looking, mandinka, muslim, average weight, smartly dressed.
Also depending on the persons perception of history of Gambia we may be seen in a positive or negative light just for being white and english. Personally I have experienced much more positive than negative. Children shouting toubab can be cute it can also be intimidating. Depends on the situation. I usually tell the children my name to 'humanise' me. I then expect them to call me Bev rather than the generic toubab.
It would be ok to refer the colour as part of description. But if ones associates something bad with his/her colour, that is not good on my book. I mean the 'blackness' has nothing to do with some 'youth' being intimidating. Their blackness has nothing to do with their intimidation.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2009 : 13:36:57
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Here we go again Turk play the race card NO IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THEY WHERE BLACK I would feel the same in any town in England on a Friday or Saturday night where you find groups of young men hanging around.
I CAN ASSURE YOU IM NOT RACIST. But I think you are because instead of sticking to the main point of a thread as has been seen before you hijack the thread and you bring up the issue of Black and white. Stick to the main thrust of the thread which was about the accomadation Which you have completely ignored or missed the point or indeed you have no comment.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 13:46:51
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snuggles
I am glad I educated you. You did not do the same mistate again. You said
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NO IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THEY WHERE BLACK ..... where you find groups of young men hanging around.
If the intimidation was not because they were black, why did you call them 'black'? And the second time you did not say groups of young 'black' men hanging around.
I did not play race card. I just acknowledged you that the use of 'colour' in this context is not right. I appreciate your being intimidated by them. I did not ignored it. I agree with you that that place is not good.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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snuggels
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 16:00:36
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I am glad I educated you. You did not do the same mistate again. You said
No you didnt educate me
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NO IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THEY WHERE BLACK ..... where you find groups of young men hanging around.
Im sorry i did not count the numbers for you
If the intimidation was not because they were black, why did you call them 'black'?
That has allready been answered above but you dont seem to get the point or are to bigoted to understand
And the second time you did not say groups of young 'black' men hanging around.
As above didnt count the numbers. But the numbers dont matter If you feel intimdated
I did not play race card. I just acknowledged you that the use of 'colour' in this context is not right.
Because you think its racist if anyone mentions the word Black
But I can assure if I ment any thing other than as read and didnt like black people I certainly wouldnt be going to Gambia or any other black country. Opps Ive done it again LoL.
I appreciate your being intimidated by them. I did not ignored it. I agree with you that that place is not good.
Thank you we agree on something
Finaly I think you are racist just because i used the word black and used it to play the race card to go of topic.
You have now have shown your true colours
"I did not expect anything different from someone a white person like you anyway. That white old b... had no good intensions either. She was british that is why. That white f... old granny is no different from other white passangers anyway. They can all kiss my middleeastern/brown/jihadist az.."
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black orchid
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 20:17:59
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Originally posted by turk
I heard something like 'black or african baby'.
ok turk, you said you heard something like "black or african", but at that particular moment you could not determine which words were used ie "black baby" or "african baby". Also since when does the word "african" SOUND similar to "black". So can we say that you are not really sure what was said, but are simply surmising.
And to be fair Bev, it sounds as though the woman was not "concerned about a baby crying", she was concerned for her self, and how irritating it was to her.....so I can imagine what context the words were used. (if of course turk heard correctly) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 20:26:55
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All I can say is most women, if they have had a baby themselves, are sensitive to babies crying. You want it to stop, but only from maternal feelings for the baby, not from self concern.
Of course on planes, people are tired and easily irritated and stressed. A baby crying is not a nice noise. But travelling with babies isnt easy and I would think most people try to be patient.
Whenever I travelled with my kids they had a little rucsack each with things in that I knew would entertain them.
Alot of babies cry because of pressure in their ears. Getting them to suck helps release this....so a dummy or a feed at taking off and landing really helps with this.
Anyway Turk, I suppose it depends how you think about people and their motives. I try to think the best of people unless proven otherwise. You seem to want to think the worst.
Anyway we are off topic...... Lets get back to the original subject. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 21:09:29
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black orchid
The body language of that women was not like a 'compassionate' and 'maternal', instead she was a mean, grumpy lady who was very angry because a baby was behaving very bad near her. She already display her displeasure about my daughter's crying, it was not acting as she was trying to help. There was not any indication that she was acting because of her maternal feelings. Even hostess displayed her displeasure when she was interacting with the lady. My daughter was still infant. There was no other baby in the flight. I was already trying so hard to comfort her. I was already frustrated with my daughter's crying. It was really difficult moment anyway. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 21:15:55
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Snuggels
It would be waste of my time if I continue to debate with your non-sense.
Bev
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Anyway Turk, I suppose it depends how you think about people and their motives. I try to think the best of people unless proven otherwise. You seem to want to think the worst.
And you also said
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When people shout it(toubab) to me I say 'My name is BEV'. If they continue with the generic toubab then personally I think that is racist and I d my best to ignore them.
I would never shout Blackman.....or worse...NEVER.
I notice peoples skin colour in the same way I notice their height, weight, hair, clothes....PART of a description. Also character is part of any description i would give.
So my guide ie black, 5ft 10in, close shaven, good looking, mandinka, muslim, average weight, smartly dressed.
Also depending on the persons perception of history of Gambia we may be seen in a positive or negative light just for being white and english. Personally I have experienced much more positive than negative. Children shouting toubab can be cute it can also be intimidating. Depends on the situation. I usually tell the children my name to 'humanise' me. I then expect them to call me Bev rather than the generic toubab.
My motivation to point snuggles use of ‘black’ was already explained by your quote. Don’t you think?
You already pointed the difference when the use of ‘toubab’ generic even they know your name as racist. Even there is only one baby in the plane or Kayjatta’s example, only baby is crying in the bus and you use an adjective ‘black’ to describe the ‘baby’ is annoying. Hey I did not say it was racist. Snuggle is the one use the ‘racist’ word loosely.
Also you already said
You would never shout Blackman! And you are right, there is nothing wrong the use of ‘black’ or ‘toubab’ when one describes
“A toubab lady, from Britain, good looking is building nursery home”
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 21:41:19
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Binet's by High Point is another very very dirty place, and the woman owner is a bad tempered, unpleasant old cow. There's another place to avoid unless you like sleeping with cockroaches.
Ahh, Turk. The eternal tutting between those travelling with babies and those who aren't. But you are disgracing yourself here. I like your posts but I lose respect for you like this.
FWIW, I don't think there was any reason for the OP to bring colour into it and to me, the implication was unnecessary and negatve. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2009 : 22:09:20
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http://www.blueparrotgambia.com
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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