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turk
USA
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 Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 22:23:38
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What are the translations for the following words?
Intelligence
Intelligent
Ant
Bee
Bee nest
Smart
Spider
Spider Web
Resolve
Honey
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
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Momodou
Denmark
11804 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 22:52:20
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Whats going on Turk? Why these words?
Here is a try on the English / Mandinka translation. There are a few letters which are not on my keyboard.
English / Mandinka
Intelligence (n) = hakilidiyaa, ñaameng,
Intelligent(adj) = hakilidiimaa, ñaamenta, ñaamendingo,
Ant (n) = duntumalango, menemenego
Bee(n) = kumoo, kumburung
Bee nest (beehive (n)) = kumoo
Smart (v) = ñaamemdi
Spider (n) = taalingo
Spider's Web (n) = taalinjaloo
Resolve = kaabang
Honey (n) = liyo
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The Mandinka-English Dictionary: http://resourcepage.gambia.dk/ftp/mandinka.pdf
The Wolof-English Dictionary : http://resourcepage.gambia.dk/ftp/wollof.pdf
or : http://www.firicat.com/ |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 23:08:03
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momodou
Thanks. You can't speak wolof? I was trying to compare wolof vs. mandinka. How they sound and which one has richer vocabulary. For example Turkish, Japanase and Korean are similar because they are all coming form altaic language group. While Arabic is very similar to Amaric and eastern african languages. Just want to see how wolof relates to mandinka. Arabic has superiority in terms of the number of words. For example, in Turkish Allah is 'tengri' one word and no other word while in arabic allah is reffered with 99 different names. Depends on the context you use rahman, kerim, rahim etc.
I heard somewhere that mandinka has more words than wolof but wolof is more widely spoken, because it is easier to speak and political reason make them more widely spoken language.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 Feb 2009 23:12:34 |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 23:30:22
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"because it is easier to speak and political reason make them more widely spoken language." Turk
Who said wollof is widely spoken because of political reasons? I never heard that from any Gambian. Wollof is widely spoken in Banjul and Serrekunda area mainly. Out of that area, Other languages are more promoninent. Basse is Fula, mandinka and Sarahuleh at par, Brikama Mandinka mainly, Janjanbueh, Mandinka mainly, Foni Jola mainly and Mandinka and Fula, Jarra and Kiyan Mandinka mainly and fula, bansang mandinka mainly and fula, Noimi mandinka, wollof, Serere, close par. Badibu, mandinka mainly and fula, with some wolof in Saback sanjal. so different parts have their language of choice. this is how the tribes spread. It is not base of political reasons. Wollof may be easy to learn when you are in the Banjul/Serrekunda area, but for those coming from outside those area, it may not be as easy as some thought.
Mandinka is said to have some rigidity and difficult to manipulate in terms flow in speaking, whilst wollof is lifely and easy to manipulate depending on how fluent you are. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 02:41:29
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Santa
You probably did not go back to your country for a while, i guess obviously living on the moon does not help.
Population Demographics: African 98.5% (Mandinka 42%, Fula 18%, Wolof 16%, Jola 10%, Serahuli 9%, other 4%), non-African 1.5%
In serrekunda and the bigger cities, most people speak wolof. To be honest I have never anyone in Serrekunda who does not understand wolof. So why only 16 percent of population dominates.
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In The Gambia, about 15 percent (approximately 200,000 people) of the population speak Wolof as a first language, but Wolof has a disproportionate influence because of its prevalence in Banjul, The Gambia's capital, where 50 percent of the population use it as a first language. In Serrekunda, The Gambia's largest town, although only a tiny minority are ethnic Wolofs, approximately 90 percent of the population speaks and/or understands Wolof. Wolof is increasingly the mother tongue of young people of mixed ethnicity.
As you pointed out 'Wollof is widely spoken in Banjul and Serrekunda area mainly', you explain yourself why wolof as a political reason is widely spoken language. The wolof language dominates the most powerful city economically (serekunda) and most powerfull city politicly (Banjul) it is only natural wolof to became dominant language.
Most people coming to city for trade,education, migration particularly young people learn wolof.
While I can't say for the fact that wolof is widely spoken because of political reason, but I would say it makes sense if wolof the dominates the economic/political capital, it dominates nation too. Also, dominant language in senegal also another reason for wolof dominate gambia. Gambia is influenced by senegal.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 24 Feb 2009 03:04:25 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 06:49:13
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| Turk can one then deduce from your theory that both Wollof and Mandingo are superior to Turkish ( as you stated above that there is only one word for God/Allah in Turkish which is Tengri), because both Wollof and mandingo have several words that means or refers to God (Allah)? |
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Momodou
Denmark
11804 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 07:51:59
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quote:
Originally posted by turk
momodou
Thanks. You can't speak wolof? I was trying to compare wolof vs. mandinka. How they sound and which one has richer vocabulary..........
Turk, you did not make yourself clear from the begining. I thought you were trying to learn Mandinka and Wollof. You can still try and compare the words from the links to the Dictionaries I provided above.
I speak the three main languages in The Ganmbia (Mandinka, Fulla and Wollof). Last night I did not have time to give you the Wollof translations too.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 08:00:32
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Kayjatta
I said, 'Arabic has superiority in terms of the number of words.' If wolof and mandingo has more words than turkish. Yeah, 'in terms of the number of words, they may be superior'.
Turkish is very simple, straight forward. No wonder we have more foreign vocabulary than probably any other language (French, English, Italian, Arabic, Persian)
Can you translate those words for me to wolof? Promise I will be nice to you next time.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 24 Feb 2009 08:11:04 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 08:13:36
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momodou
10x. I look up the dictionary, there is not translations bee, ant, bee nest etc. on the wolof dictionary.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Momodou
Denmark
11804 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 08:27:33
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English/Wollof
Ant = melantan
Bee = yembu
Try the Wollof / English search facility at http://www.firicat.com |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 08:47:32
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quote:
Originally posted by turk
Kayjatta
I said, 'Arabic has superiority in terms of the number of words.' If wolof and mandingo has more words than turkish. Yeah, 'in terms of the number of words, they may be superior'.
Turkish is very simple, straight forward. No wonder we have more foreign vocabulary than probably any other language (French, English, Italian, Arabic, Persian)
Can you translate those words for me to wolof? Promise I will be nice to you next time.
Sorry Turk, both my Mandingo (my mother tongue) and Wollof (that I acquired in Seerekunda and Banjul during my long years there) are very rusty now. I guess my English is killing them and I blame Yahya jammeh for that too  ... |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 09:04:43
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I heard somewhere that mandinka has more words than wolof but wolof is more widely spoken, because it is easier to speak and political reason make them more widely spoken language.
Puring oil on fire?
For example, in Turkish Allah is 'tengri' one word and no other word while in arabic allah is reffered with 99 different names. Depends on the context you use rahman, kerim, rahim etc.)
Turk.(i hope my mind do not mislead me here)
Those names you refers are mostly driven in Islam more but fewer in Arabic (generally)? . example of the time when the name (Allah) Come.
The wiccans has their Rahima(s)and i have example also through the old (christian)orthodox in Syria.
like Tengrismus(religions of mainly old türk/mongo/china...
swearing through their Tanrý or (ilåh):(On behalf of the eternal blue sky)
Most of people (muslim)also swear by Allah and pointing their finger at the sky.
But if my mind misjudges me in your topic then sorry.
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 10:18:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Momodou
English/Wollof
Ant = melantan
Bee = yembu
Try the Wollof / English search facility at http://www.firicat.com
lol, Momodou i think your ollof is getting rusty.
Bee is Yomba, atleast here in the Kombos, and beehive is i think Naigi (house of) Yomba i guess. the small ants are called melentan but the thick big black ones are also called duntumelentan. honey is lem in ollof.
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Momodou
Denmark
11804 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 10:26:30
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LOL! Njucks, its because I have had a Lebu friend too long.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 10:32:01
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kayjatta
Yahya! what is next, is he responsible for current global financia crisis too?
mbay
Yeah, I heard despite the numbers madinkas little impact on gambian society/politics is due to staying rural, not integrating city, modern economics and politics. For example, I heard serehules are good in trade, wolof dominate cities. But who am I telling the truth?
no, mbay. Arabic is one of the richest language in the world. When you listen quran,or arabic poetry (persian poetry is same) very advance. The grammer, literacy amazing. Arabic is an african language which is one of the oldest. It is true islam did have positive impact but the language existed before even islam came. The word allah did exist (correct me if i am wrong) before islam.
don't worry, i appreciate your input.
Thanks momodou.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 10:35:58
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| thansk njucks. From now on I will not rely on these diaspora people. they are all asimilated. Kayjatta sold to english, momodou has an accent, santa is intoxicated. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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