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kiwi
Sweden
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 Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 01:05:51
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In the end of last year Canary Islands was home to 1500 alone African children. They live in camps, each of them housing several hundreds Though it has been said that sub-Saharian children on their arrival are very obedient and polite, living under such circumstances , far from home and families, does not promote the development of the children in the long run. That is quite understandable.
Therefore Regional Government on the archipelago is looking for families willing to take care of unaccompanied children . Only 20 young Senegalese have been received by families on Mallorca.
During the last four years have around 5000 minors arrived in the Canaries. According to law, it is the responsibility of the government to take care of them and provide education till they are 18. After that day they become legal immigrants and are able to require that their families from home can join them.
EU:s Migration Commissioner held a meeting last December where Canary representatives expressed its desire to co-operate with EU, Senegal and Morocco to build schools in Africa for those now living on the islands. The Canary Islands would still have the responsibility for education. But is this going to be a reality or is it only talk?
Close to 150 new minors have arrived during the first two weeks in January 2009!
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The African immigrants arriving in pateras (small fishing boats) or cayucos (larger fishing boats)
are – besides that they suffer of dehydration and hypothermia, or in some cases are dead – exceptionally healthy, do not carry diseases and do not encumber the health services. “No European could survive more than one day under such circumstances”, says the physician, responsible for the survey comprising 20.000 Africans.
All arriving are tested for HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, syphilis and TB.
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During 2008 have 144 Africans been arrested and accused of smuggling people in cayuocos.
50 Africans are serving their penalties in Tenerife II Prison
November: Sex Africans have been detained for people smuggling and negligent homicide. They steered the boat which arrived with 123 immigrants, one of them was dead on arrival and one died on the beach.
December: Two Africans have been sentenced to over three years in prison for smuggling. Children they brought over testified against them.
January: Two Africans have been sentenced to four and a half year in prison for people smuggling and for causing two people´s dead . Also on this occasion one was dead on arrival and one died on the beach. The two steered the boat and provided passengers with food and water, which however was finished before arrival. It is said that those sentenced did not object their penalties. Why should they? They now have free food and free water for more than four years.
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Nokia Man
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 20:36:46
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According to law, it is the responsibility of the government to take care of them and provide education till they are 18. After that day they become legal immigrants and are able to require that their families from home can join them.
Kiwi I'm not sure where you read that but its incorrect.
All EU member countries are bound by EU law to educate and support minors (children) of illegal immigrant status until the age of 18. That means to educate, financially & mentally support Immigrants under the age of 18.
Once a child immigrant reaches 18 years of age their status becomes illegal immigrant. Period. It is at this point you appeal for immigrant status with the home office as would be the case in the UK.
Even if you marry whilst under 18 or after 18 and before having your case heard and a possible subsequent appeal, you can still be deported if you fail to gain immigrant status, marriage, child or other reasons are only 'taken into account'. It is the reasons an illegal immigrant can give for not wanting to go back to their homeland that will make or break an application for immigrant status, not a marriage, and nor having had children since arriving.
Also the financial support becomes the lowest in the UK for example. Illegal immigrants do not receive the minimum amount of financial support that the government says a citizen should live on, its far less being an illegal immigrant. Saying this you can still join a college or apprenticeship scheme but you won't get financial support or grants as UK citizens do. Many people and even UK citizens think its an easy life being an illegal immigrant but I can tell you first hand (although I'm UK born and bred) that it is far from an easy life.
As a guide, as of last week over 86% of applicants from Ghana & 92% from Albania were being deported back to their homelands from the UK.
Also, even when getting immigrant status and the right to live in the EU, you can not automatically have your family come live with you. That's just plain fairy story material.
Your relatives can come if they can prove they or you have the funds to support them during a limited stay, but they must have a 2 way ticket and a visa previously authorised by the relevant authority.
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Think about it. Every family with a 17 year old could save and send their child to an EU member state and wait six months to be invited over. I don't think so... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 23:21:24
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Nokia Man
I read what you had posted and was very shocked at some of the contents,I had not realised that the regulations were so strict.Why is the information that you have outlined not much more widely known? Why do Governments fail to do this? Are these enforcable Regulations without right of appeal to an EU court or department, or are they only recommendations to member states? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 00:54:49
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Greetings Everyone,
Toubab the British government stance on immigration has been in place for some time now. It's apart on their xenophobia attempts on immigration control put into place before the influx of Eastern entering the UK. Countries whose nationals traditionally didn't need a visa to enter the UK now do coupled with the fact that established immigrant families who have the funds to support visitors whilst on vacation are regularly turned down. It is not always the case that relatives want to reside in Europe but would like to visit their families and friends from time to time are refused entry clearance. Even those who have leave to remain in the UK working in the Security industry have had their SIA Licenses revoked by the Borders Agency who are in complete chaos.
Coming back to the issue of Boat children I think this is a direct consequence of desperation and the solution to remedy the root of it is sustainable livelihoods. Investment is needed in transferring skills through appropriate education and training for both Adults and Children. This will give hope to families to be able to find solutions to their problems and promote independence. i feel that by imposing sanctions on human traffickers i.e. penalties of a minimum of 10 years to life imprisonment for those found guilty of this crime. This trade would quickly dry up. The mass displacement of children has ramifications that will effect their lives and their descendants for generations.
Where possible children should be repatriated back to their country of origin, with some seed corn assistance maybe in the form of a community package. Unless children are refugees or Asylum Seekers fleeing war zones then they need to be repatriated, Continually accepting unaccompanied economic minors in this fashion is unethical because in the long -term it will create more social problems than it solves. For instance with the outer-migration of youth from their communities, and an influx of uncontrolled immigration placing an economic strain on local host communities who have to financially support them. This will eventually lead to resent in the present climate of the Global credit crunch and recession.
The African media could play a pivotal role in the delivery of public information drive building up awareness about the real dangers of sending away unaccompanied minors. There also needs to be penalties placed on the Parents and Carers of these children found guilty of trafficking their enough to deter others from joining this trend. To make them realise the dangers they will be placing their children so that they are given the opportunity to reconsider their decision before its to late.
By adopting such measures this will help communities to foster a zero tolerance about Human Trafficking. On a International level fair-free trade initiatives need to be place further up the agenda to sow the seeds for reorientation towards job creation in the continent to retain Africa;s most valuable resource its children Change can only happen if communities work towards changes they can visualize let's help to promote that vision on African soil.
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 13:03:11
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Even if you marry whilst under 18 or after 18 and before having your case heard and a possible subsequent appeal,
I believe under the new Marriage laws that came into force in the UK during November 2008 a person requiring a visa has to be 21years to become eligible for marriage.
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jammin
Jamaica
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 04:42:50
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And a Hip Hip Hurray!!!
Its February
and February is Black History Month
And so much has changed over the years
And yet it remain, intractable, seemingly unbreakable
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 17:04:32
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Originally posted by Nokia Man
Kiwi I'm not sure where you read that but its incorrect.
You might be right or you might not.
My source is a woman with Swedish/Finnish background who has been living and working on Teneriffe since more than 20 years, is well informed and speaks the Spanish language fluently. She hosts a web page where she writes about the immigrant situation on the islands mostly as a service for Scandinavian tourists, and get t her information from Spanish newspapers, radio and television. I also occasionally have mail contact with her.
This doesn´t meant that everything she writes is 100 % true, but most likely is.
I do not pretend to give you the whole picture about the immigration into the islands, just some fragments.
Unlike you I believe that the application of immigrations law differs between EU.countries though the frame law might be the same. Each country has their own laws which sometimes comes first.
See Sab´s example: “ I believe under the new Marriage laws that came into force in the UK during November 2008 a person requiring a visa has to be 21years to become eligible for marriage.” That affects certain parts of immigration but is not EU law or Swedish law.
Denmark already has a law stating that both parts, the one living in Denmark and the one who wants to enter, have to be 24 years old, must posses a contract on a flat of certain standards and need to deposit an amount of equivalent to 5000 euro for sex six years on, therefore quite many of them have settled in Southern Sweden because this not a Swedish law. The Danish part still can work in Denmark while the other part has to work in Sweden.
In Denmark an asylum applicant never can marry someone in Denmark It takes 7 years to become a citizen. Momodou can tell if I am mistaken
In Sweden it normally takes 4 years, if you are married to a citizen it takes only 3 years.
Nobody says that they automatically can send for the entirely family to come over though I admit I should not have written require but they can apply.
I have been told that according to Spanish law under aged children are entitled to be given a residence permit but the process can take a long time so some of them become illegal immigrants, so it would not work for a 17,5 years old. For some reason the Canary Islands authorities stance is that children´s human rights can´t be granted in their home countries, that is why they are not sent back. Poor living conditions would never be a reason in Sweden! We consequently send them back whether the parents want them back or not or are criminals and alcoholics or whether the children are sick, disabled or blind.
Obviously it is the person living in Spain who can apply, here where I live it is the other way round, it is the family member left behind who has to apply.
I think you mix up family members coming for a visit and family reunion. In case of family reunion you do not apply for a visa but for a residence permit. Here, children under 18 are always entitled to reunite with their parents. Old parents and even other family members are granted to reunite under the circumstances that they are depending on the person already living in Sweden, while the person already here is not to be asked to produce a bank account!
Why do you think you have to tell me that entering an EU country does not mean an immediate economical success, Nokia Man  ??? (btw Ericsson is my Walkman…) Am I not supposed to know? I am not a social worker or an immigration worker but I do know some “immigrants”.
But again, who is most likely to get a job, one 18 years old who arrived in Spain at the age of twelve, went to school and quickly learned the language (as they do at that age), or one double as old with poor or no education at all and after several years still struggles with language?
I have been helping one of them for more than 16 years now, guess which one.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 17:11:50
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A bit of a typo here from you KIWI? or is it right ? 
"need to deposit an amount of equivalent to 5000 euro for sex years on," 
I am so glad that I was taught how to cut and paste
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 17:16:16
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 18:04:08
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Kiwi, you are right. Many Danish mix couples move to Southern Sweden due to the Danish Immigrant rule regarding the 24 year legislation.
- You must both be over the age of 24.
- You must live together at the same address in Denmark when your residence permit is granted.
- Your combined attachment to Denmark must be greater than your combined attachment to any other country.
Visit the following below for information on coming :
1. Family Reunification
2. Spouses, registered partners and cohabiting partners
Toubab, the typo has been corrected. |
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Nokia Man
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 00:58:54
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Originally posted by kiwi
My source is a woman with Swedish/Finnish background who has been living and working on Teneriffe since more than 20 years, is well informed and speaks the Spanish language fluently. She hosts a web page where she writes about the immigrant situation on the islands mostly as a service for Scandinavian tourists, and get t her information from Spanish newspapers, radio and television. I also occasionally have mail contact with her.
This doesn´t meant that everything she writes is 100 % true, but most likely is.
Thank you Kiwi, a well balanced response.
Firstly yes there are slight variations on immigration but remember this is the EU. The subject of marriage laws is wide and varied for example and evident by the legitimate responses made, but I think were talking on a more mature level than what I'd reply to on the old forum where conversations could quickly run amok into a battle of 'hearsay', and hence a timid nip in the bud response from me, but I have to thank you for not going off on one!
Marriage before and after 18 years of age brings me to the dreaded Red tape.
To dive right in we all know there are going to be individuals that wanted to and did exploit the old immigration process. Get married abroad, wife expecting a baby and hey presto a high percentage of immigrants were granted citizenship because of the fact. What governments done were tie this up with some red tape that put these matters of fact beyond a reasonable plea for immigration. In essence the new laws you speak of are the new way and what EU governments describe as acceptable, so hopefully we can see the difference between what was so controversial with what was said in the initial post, the replies to the fact and where we are at now.
I have to say though, that if it was your friend who said quote:
According to law, it is the responsibility of the government to take care of them and provide education till they are 18. After that day they become legal immigrants and are able to require that their families from home can join them.
She needs to look at her journalism credentials and take a wider look at what's law. Being a journalist gives a certain 'flexibility' on the truth which was what sparked my interest in this subject.
Please don't take that as a slant on her personal character, its just a professional difference of opinion ;)
At the end of the day I'm happy for those who find life outside of Gambia all they want it to be. God knows how many Africans I've championed and driven when you know they're eager to make a life once here. It beats watching one of my own breed moaning cause their satellite tv or 3 month old car is playing up ;)
Rest easy brothers.
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 14:07:28
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Thank you for your reply, Nokia Man, there was no need for me to run amok, was there?
Concerning my friend´s journalism – I don´t copy and paste what she writes. Her 3 4 sentences in Swedish might become one sentence in my posting, transformed and translated into English, probably in incorrect English sometimes.
Your are welcome to ask/questioning what I post and contribute with your own knowledge.
After all, we don´t want to tell fairy tales, do we? 
Something to remember, I think is that the Spanish Government 2005 issued a general amnesty that made about half a million illegal immigrants to legal immigrants, applauded by employers who needed cheap labour on their gardens. I believe that is one reason for the fact that immigrations figures raised 2006 and 2007. That they have gone down 2008 and in the beginning of this year i mostly due the EU patrol boats outside the cost of Senegal and Mauritania stopping the departures just off the coast. This indeed save some lives but also makes change of routes now starting from for example Guinea that makes the passage even more dangerous.
Thanks Momodou for confirming the facts.
As i wrote in a private message to Toubab1020, I have this xxx-word pasted on my brain…
I promise to chance it to five next time.
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 00:22:20
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| 22 North African migrants, including several children, died when their boat capsized only about 20 metres off the island of Lanzarote, Spanish officials said on Monday. The boat, which was loaded with 28 people, foundered shortly before reaching the island of Lanzarote. Six people were saved by residents and surfers on the beach. The migrants had set off from the Moroccan city of Tanger. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 20 Mar 2010 : 01:33:10
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, 19 March 2010
Swiss investigate death of Nigerian asylum seeker
Police methods at Zurich airport are now under scrutiny
Switzerland has halted special flights to deport asylum seekers after a Nigerian man on hunger strike died on the tarmac at Zurich airport.
Swiss police say they had shackled the 29-year-old man, who was being forcibly deported along with 15 other Nigerians whose asylum bids had been rejected.
When he fell ill on Wednesday the police took off his shackles and a doctor tried in vain to revive him.
Swiss authorities have launched an investigation into the incident.
Police said they had shackled the man because he had resisted deportation.
Two Nigerian witnesses quoted by the Swissinfo news website accused the police of inhumane treatment.
"They treated us like animals," said one, called Emmanuel.
"They shackled our feet, knees, hands, hips, arms and torso and made us wear a helmet like those worn by boxers. It was simply impossible to move," he said.
The man who died was a drug-dealer who had been on hunger strike for several days.
It is the third such death in Switzerland since 1999.
Last year there were 43 special repatriation flights from Switzerland, deporting some 360 people, mostly to the Balkans or Africa, Swissinfo reports.
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