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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Janko
Gambia
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 Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 13:05:10
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Obama’s presidency is an insinuation for the application of the principle of "term limit". This is not only good for nation-building but also democracy.
The fact is one leader can not fix the problems of his/her country rather the best way forward for Africa is to have many leaders with different ideas of development....term limit. Hence what one is not able to fix during two terms in office can’t be fixed in 10 terms.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 00:55:13
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Term Limit
That is a product many despots will not prefer. Why for example a country like Gambia permits a president stay without term limit is situational.
If the current president Chairman Yaya Jammeh was sincere enough, he has all opportunities at hand to surrender gracefully. He needs nobody reminding him that his was a coup and not by invitation. He badly overstayed Janko. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 08 Feb 2009 : 03:33:52
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Why is there no discussion about "time limit". We are all överens about the fact that no "one man can fight a dozen all by himself". Why are we not agreeing to the fact that one man can not develop a nation all by himself even if he sits on the throne all his lifetime? Hence two heads are better than one then the heads of a whole nation are better than few.
Paradoxically staying beyond “time limit” erases all the good one has accomplished, the entire good intentions one had had and the memory of history left with red ribbons of selfishness and abuse of power.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 08 Feb 2009 03:35:41 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 08 Feb 2009 : 04:12:03
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I will see what Obama does with the best friends of USA who are tyrant-but-that-is-acceptable frieds: Devilish Empire of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan? Does he really want democracy or want to keep status quo in these states as long as they let american army in our holly land. That remains to be seen.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2009 : 11:14:37
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Well, Obamas agenda is not to use force but to be an inspiration for change. Afterall a lasting change has to come from within and not from without.
He can not force leaders of Africa to respect "time limit" but he can be an inspiration for them to understand that it takes a combination of ideas and minds to build a nation not how long an individual stays in office.
To use any kind of force would be to keep the "status quo" |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 08 Feb 2009 : 11:17:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Karamba
Term Limit
That is a product many despots will not prefer. Why for example a country like Gambia permits a president stay without term limit is situational.
If the current president Chairman Yaya Jammeh was sincere enough, he has all opportunities at hand to surrender gracefully. He needs nobody reminding him that his was a coup and not by invitation. He badly overstayed Janko.
The way forward should be the U.N and the donor partners cut all ties with all countires with perpectual presidents. only talking is not the solution. the world governing bodies must be strong with cow boy presidents. The A.U is a joke, it is fill with diaonosaurs and idoits of a leaders. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2009 : 20:54:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Well, Obamas agenda is not to use force but to be an inspiration for change. Afterall a lasting change has to come from within and not from without.
He can not force leaders of Africa to respect "time limit" but he can be an inspiration for them to understand that it takes a combination of ideas and minds to build a nation not how long an individual stays in office.
To use any kind of force would be to keep the "status quo"
Where does real power lie? Vested on the leader/president, body of political represntatives, or the voting population? How comes power rests in the hands of the smaller number and not the multitude of voters to tell the one or many representatives what to do?
Is it acceptable that a person voted into political position is empowered to misuse that trust? |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 04:06:22
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The A.U is a joke, it is fill with diaonosaurs and idoits of a leaders.
Not the leaders, it is this idea which is the biggest obstacles for the problems. Too much expectation from the leaders. It is not top-down, it is bottom-up approach right attitude. Leaders come from the ordinary people.
Santa
Will you have same position if you were in Gambia? Or what percentages of women in Gambia know what AU is?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 15:01:14
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| turk, i hardly have the motivation to respond to such mistaken statements. if the leadership is faulty mister everything else is faulty. the buck starts and stops with the leadership. they have the authority, the state machinery, the money, the power and the will to usher in legislation that can change the economy, the educational system, the life style, the developments and many other things. people follow a leader. even Animals in their habitat follow a leader. this is our problem and will continue to be our problem until such a time good leaders come to the foe and lead with dedictaion, respect to people rights, no corruption, nepotism, murders by the state, and no totalitarianism. how can people change the leader whilst the leader make sure every body is afraid and do as they wish? let's stop that kind of remarks. if the turkish leadership haven't the willingness to bring in change, can the people do it on their own? bearing in mind the nature of the country's military's control. African leaders have always been africas problem. people will change and act according to prevailing structures. to eliminate corruption, let the leaders first account themselves and stop wastage and silly patronages. look at the gambia. every other month the president is dishing out public money to selective individuals, do you think that will bring in genuine equality? if the taxes paid by poor people are not use for productive purposes, how can the people benefit? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 19:23:15
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| Nations got the politicians they deserve. Leaders only lead the nations that have willingness to be led. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 20:02:58
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Originally posted by turk
Nations got the politicians they deserve. Leaders only lead the nations that have willingness to be led.
Turk,
Your indulgence is highly required in explaining this. I fine the statement seriously twisting when applied to countries where leaders emerge through barrel of the gun and perpetuate just as it obtains in Gambia. You stand tested to qualify this in the universal context.
A definition has to fit into situations squaredly. On this occasion yours comes with visible gaps. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 21:18:28
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I have several close friends and relatives. First I have started being very critical of Jammeh, obviously I had lived in many western countries so I have my expectation from a government/politicians. I realize, many gambians actually like Jammeh. While it is not a fact or scientific survey, I strongly believe that, if we had a survey about the jammeh with two group of people.
- Gambians live in Europe/N.America
- Gambians inside
I believe following would come out.
The people who live in Europe/America would disapproval of Jammeh would be much higher than the people who live in Gambia. The reason for this is having higher expecations when profiling Jammeh.
I have made many arguments/observation about the following issues particularly on following topics.
1. Homosexuality: Gambian society is very strict on that. So is Jammeh.
2. Democratic Values: Gambian communities in general do not know about them. Only some elite who have good education care about them, mostly women do not value democracy as an important to make their life better.
3. HIV medicine, FGM: They indeed believe in HIV solution by him. Infact, many do believe in Bush doctors, or some people who have special powers to resolve health and psychological issues. How does this relate? It tells a lot of people approving or accepting or needing modern values such as science vs traditional way. Many still values tradition vs modern values. Democracy to many still unknown and not appreciated.
4. Corruption: Can you just blame politicians. How about civil servants?
5. Citizenship Rights and duties: Many do not aware that these. For example, there was a big hole filled with the water during rainy season just before when you come from kololi to serrekunda. Many kids are trying to fill the smaller holes on the road and they ask money from the taxi drivers. When I talked to people around and drivers about voluteerly fill this hole. They look at me with strange eyes and question me if I am some kind of marsian.
Many people in Gambia happy with Jammeh and they defend him with passion. I had only a few, very a few Gambians who would be critical about Gambia. I mean, come on I am a foreigner, it is great opportunity to reveal some of the grudge they have for Jammeh. I posses no threat as I am a visitor. No.
I believe, Jammeh may not be perfect leader but it does not deserve to have critism based on western standards. You know people have following rates.
1. Exceed Expecations
2. Meet Expections
3. Room to improvement
4. Below Expectations
5. Fail
I would rate him as 2.
The point is really, politicians are easy target when it comes to critism. If you want a revolution, it must come from the bottom. The people can change things if they have the resources but most important the will. Until than it is unfair to Jammeh to change gambia without the support of people.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 09 Feb 2009 21:25:45 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 22:32:50
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“Many people in Gambia happy with Jammeh and they defend him with passion. I had only a few, very a few Gambians who would be critical about Gambia.”
What do you mean, please help me get the point.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 09 Feb 2009 22:34:01 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 22:42:22
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Turk
For best benefit of impartiality, perhaps more justice will be dispensed in Jammeh's favour if we help to keep off his personal name mentioned. We are looking at a public role. Any person who takes on such role grabs along all the responsibilities and obligations. When things fail, the person being paid (not by money token alone but including the title preferred for the role) is most answerable. As it goes right that person or those persons in such public roles have the liberty to embrace the pride of succeeding. Mind you this is not about Gambia. This is UNIVERSAL. No hasitation taking the case of UK in focus. When Gordon Brown was Chancellor the harsh economic weather was not that ugly. He enjoyed the pride of leading a national treasury of grace. As Prime Minister now and with the hostile world economic situation he is being drilled hard for failing the nation.
Therefore, if we plot in any leader of Gambia, Turkey, Japan, Italy, India, Germany, or wherever, the equation applies. That is what DEFINES roles duties and and obligations.
A leader is not free to enjoy resources and stands still free when things get stuck under his or her management.
That is why Gambians have to blame Jammeh. So your position needs shifting in the interest of fairness. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 09 Feb 2009 22:54:25 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 22:47:42
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janko
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I had only a few, very a few Gambians who would be critical about Gambia.”
Let me simplyfy. If I have talked to 100 people and 63 of them defend their president with so much passion, 19 % did not provide any critism or not defended and stayed neutral. 8 % provided some objection, the rest were critical about Gambian direction under the *****. :)
When provide critism on the said person in Gambia during my relatives and friends, many defend ***** with so much energy and passion. The point is, many gambians have the same ideals as the said person. So, when someone make critism for the said person, he or she must include the critism of people who share ***** ideas. In fact, majority of Gambian do support ******.
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That is why Gambians have to blame ******. So your position needs shifting in the interest of fairness.
You may be right that Gambian have to blame ****. But do they know any better? Perhaps they do not blame ***** because gambians share his ideals. Besides fairness, I have to be realistic. I may have objection about *****, but it is unfair to target him, because people actually supporting him sharing his values as well.
Until, I see any different in Gambians in General about *****, I will stick my statement of 'people get the governments they deserve'.
Go **** go :)
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 09 Feb 2009 23:08:27 |
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