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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 14:08:47
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I know this might sound a very serious allegation but we must try to find out the impact of the NADD breakup on the Gambian society. when NADD broke up, many Gambians were left wondering how on earth Jammeh could be booted out of office. Gambians are desperate and were left traumatised over the news of mighty NADD's disintergration. Infact after the UDP/NRP boycot, i spoke to some of my friends in the Gambia and they told me they are so shocked, they don't even want to find out why such a solid block could disintergrate.
At this point, Gambians know that the dream of replacing AFPRC with NADD has been dumped in the garbage can by selfish Ousainou Darboe. Desperation followed. Plan B,(which was much of a headlong decision)a military coup was dominant in the heads of those with the guns. The result of Darboe's decision lead us to murders, abductions and maimings happening in the Gambia today. I phoned back home and asked about him (Darboe) and i was told he is currently in the US. I wonder who he is is going to put the blame on. I wonder how those Gambians in the US can shut their concience and believe in a deceitful monster like Darboe. I wish he go home now and see the effects of his decisions on the very people he wants to lead in October 2006.
Darboe is the biggest political mistake that has ever happened to the Gambia. He is plagued with some sick ideologies which blind him and he could not realise the desire of Gambians at large.
If i would blame anyone for the mayhem happening in our country, i will hold no one responsible but him Lawyer Ousainou Darboe. Shame on Darboe and history will judge him. The spirits of our African ancestors will bring mayhem to him just like he destroyed dreams in the Smiling Coast.
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 18:05:02
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It is of great importtance that Gambians understand what NADD is all about. NADD is a people's institution for SELF-LIBERATION. Self-liberation should not be dependent on a single person or a self-intrest group but on the shoulders of every individual Gambian.
People who understood this were not dis-illusioned by the Darboe betrayal. Instead, they jubilated, because it is the believe that many Gambians would now understand and see for themselves, who the genuine protectors of the masses intrest are. This came out clearly in that thsoe who are for a sincere change in our country, both at home and in thye diaspora never wavered. They are as solid as steel.
The next step for NADD now is for the individual Gambian to make his institution his/her own and don't let any person control his/her souvereignty as a free person. This is what Sidia told the people at the Brikama rally and Halifa Sallah said at the Sukata rally.
The political parties and their leaders are not to be relied upon for salvation but every individual must rely on him/herself for liberation and in so doing, we liberate ourselves colectively.
So, BornAfrican, I hope you've listened to Darboe's interview with the Gambiapost (full of pettiness, selfishness and dis-intrest for the plight of the common Gambian) where he has exposed himself as someone only intrested in personal power.
You can also observe that many so-called progressive Gambians who were making a lot of noise are now playing a nutral card, not to be seen supporting either NADD or the UDP/NRP Alliance (in the name of phony reconciliation) but this has just exposed their lack of sincerity the their support for a program that is supposed to be a first step in the struggle for national liberation.
You should, and all of us should just try to the almost of our ability to conscientize our friends, relatives and other Gambians to understand what is at play. If they believe in the NADD MOU and manifesto, then they would not join the confused lot who thought that someone else is going to liberate them.
Liberation comes through consciousness and sincerity in a collective struggle of the progressive Gambians.
The struggle is long and hard and shall expose all the hypocrites along the way.
Long live NADD |
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somita
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 18:28:09
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| BornAfrican, I think you are making a gross insertion for there is no direct link between the coup and Darboe's dessertion of NADD. The last thing we want is the blame game .... as remote as the one you are making. As adult we should take responsibility for our action wrong or right, not shift blame to someone else. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 19:00:10
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I have not seen any link between Darboe and the alledged coup. In a democracy citizens have rights to choose what governmement they want and how they want it. This also includes the right to elect or be elected just like Darboe and any one for that matter.
To conclude that because people were desperate to change the government and becasue Darboe's quitting of NADD led to that aspiration dying is a non starter for three reasons.
1. It assumes that NADD had already won the election if they sticked together. What would be the basis. For me the basis can only be after the election results are announced. Any speculation would be irresponsible.
2. It assumes the fact that darboe is the driving force in Gambian politics and without him no one can be effective. This latter is therfore contravening your assertion that NADD will still make a headway. IF that is the case, why bother about Darboe. Let NADD continue its programme as a party.
3. If because Darboe's leaving has led to desperation to the extent that a coup is being contemplated, would it not have made sense that Gambians rallied behind Darboe so that we can remove Yaya at the polls in November. Would it not suggest that there was some pettiness on the side of the other parties to ignore the realities on the ground. It also attacks the integrity of all NADD memebrs as being selfish if the ultimate goal is to remove yaya. If Ousainou is that important and they have not been lookig for selfish interest then they should have all rallied around Darboe to bring about democratic change.
We should stop the blame game. You may not like Darboe, but please dont throw him to the wolves for expressing his civic right to elect and be elected. No evidence has been brought and this statements are very irresponsible and speculative with no foundation strong enough to stand the samllest scrutiny.
I do not think this statement will even be entertained by Halifa and as such let us not derail the good work NADD is doing. If the idea behind this posting is to have Ousainou arrested, then it must be a calculated agenda not from a democratic supporter of NADD ideals but a sheep in wolves clothing within NADD. No genuine NADD supporter will arrive at such conclusion.
Rememeber, there were those who would not want to be with OUsainou and their stance can also be seen as repulsive. Ousainou leaving NADD is one thing, but it is another for those bent of denying him his civic right to express his opinion. By doing so, they have set the stage for him to leave and continue to widen the gap we alll aspire to bridge to have a democratic change in November. Just like in Islam, those who bought the alcohol but did not drink and those who drank are equally culpable. What we saw was Darboe leaving, but we did not see the "push" effect he claims to have been happening. I was not there to confirm his allegations.
I am a NADD supporter but with an open mind and i will not hesitate to call to order even from Halifa. That is what a true democrat does. I understand the fact that we are all human and even Halifa makes mistakes. To think otherwise is to dream with ones eyes open. We should be careful not to create political giants beyond reproach as Halifa is seen all the time. I am not saying he created serious mistakes, but lets all stand guard and police everyone because democracy thrives on vigilance. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
119 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 19:16:24
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somita --->
BornAfrican, I think you are making a gross insertion for there is no direct link between the coup and Darboe's dessertion of NADD.
BornAfrican--->
Somita, thanx for your opinion and i respect the fact that you are entitled to it. We have to remember that what Darboe did had a very big psychological impact on our lives. It has dashed our hopes of bringing about a more civilized and humane way of changing regimes. This made people lost all hopes of a democratic change come October 2006. This is where i tie Darboe to the coup. I am not saying he is physically linked to it. I believe his action translated into the planned military coup. You know that only a coalition in the Gambia has a greater chance of unseating Junkung.
somita --->
The last thing we want is the blame game .... as remote as the one you are making.
BornAfrican --->
well, the world is an open system where we all interact. our actions will affect others whether we realise it or not. thats is why we have leadership. we put our trust in leaders so that they can represent us. what if those people put their own intrests before those of the masses? are they not betraying us? should they go without a blame?
somita --->
As adult we should take responsibility for our action wrong or right, not shift blame to someone else.
BornAfrican --->
i agree, we should all take responsibility for our actions. as responsible Gambians, we voiced our concerns about means of ousting Junkung. A fantastic idea was born to great Gambian thinkers. It was the idea of forming a coalition. voicing out our concerns was our responsibility and we fulfilled it. it is now up to those people we choose to lead us, to fulfill their responsibilities too. unfortunately, Darboe had a different set of plans of his own. thus, we all have the right to blame him. remember, our political leaders decide how the national cake is shared. how can we not blame them if the cake is not shared equally? with Darboe's case, it has not even come to sharing the national cake yet. he has refused to take part in baking the cake that we will all share. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 19:50:54
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| Kodorong I do support that you are right that Darboe is not involved as there is evidence connecting him as directly or indirectly. It's not my intention to indict or implicate any on the coup. However the way this topic is introduced could further bring "remoteness test" which is legal term to deduce logical analysis of a critical situation. NADD's alliance was a peoples' power hopefully to democatically overhaul Jammeh and APRC. In my opinion the disintegration and disunity is a serious political blunder and certain politicians are guilty to encourage other options, ofcourse, including coups contemplated by a group,who may be driven into it by either high ambitions, frustration or political measures to rectify the system, any intentions whether strategically good or bad; and which may result or boost a more chaotic political situation as at present in the country. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 19:53:05
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| Kodorong I do support that you are right that Darboe is not involved as there is no evidence connecting him as directly or indirectly. It's not my intention to indict or implicate anybody on the coup. However the way this topic is introduced could further bring "remoteness test" which is legal term to deduce logical analysis of a critical situation. NADD's alliance was a peoples' power hopefully to democatically overhaul Jammeh and APRC. In my opinion the disintegration and disunity is a serious political blunder and certain politicians are guilty to encourage other options, ofcourse, including coups contemplated by a group,who may be driven into it by either high ambitions, frustration or political measures to rectify the system, any intentions whether strategically good or bad; and which may result or boost a more chaotic political situation as at present in the country. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 20:13:21
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In a democratic society, coups are not options. Therefore we cannot adduce that Darboe is responsible for people to think about coups. He has not incited anyone nor is he a hypnotist. People have to find reasons to justify their own actions by themselves and not through others. Why did halifa not contemplate about organising a coup. Is Halifa not equally concerned like Ndure?
I think it is a dangerous idea to speculate in this manner. The lesson to learn here is that we have to be able to justfy our actions becasue we believe in them and not use others as scapegoats for other peoples actions. We have to see gambia beyond Ousainou. He is just one among 1.5 million and each of us is equally important in the drive for genuine democracy. If we are to believe what the posting is trying to make us believe, then all of us should rally behind Darboe as he is that uniting and powerful force we have all been looking for to an extent that when he pulled out of NADD there was an attempeted coup. This is a very cheap analogy and quite elementary for an excuse to organise a coup.
I have always refused an explantion from my son that he should also get a toy or some game because his elder brother has one.
He needs to convince me that he needed it for a reason other than for the fact that some one in the family has it. Each one of them has to give me their own reasons independent of each other. I never liked to raise copy cats. Fairness to me is based on what each of my children NEED and not what they WANT.
If Ndure is desparate enough, he should retire from the army, set up his party and contest democratically. By seizing power, he is killing the very democracy we are trying to nurture. Yaya said the same thing and now we are fed-up with him. IN A DEMOCRACY, POWER IS DERIVED FROM AND THROUGH THE PEOPLE. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 20:15:39
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Although different people support or supported NADD for various reasons but we should base our support on the MOU, program and manifesto. Then we shall never be dis-illusioned by any individual leader or militant's action now or in the future. be it Halifa Sallah or any other person.
Neither Halifa nor Darboe can claim to be the saviors of the Gambian people but the people themselves.
What if the coalition came to power by defeating Jammeh and prove to be the worst government that Gambia has ever seen, then what?
Don't you think that those who got dis-illusioned should just join Dorboe. If they think that it is Darboe and not the conscious people who shall free Gambia?
Is the project only to get rid of Jammeh? Or is it for the complete and total transformation of the Gambian society?
I think it is the latter. Because if we depend on our own selves for self-liberation and not a hero then we could garrantee success and contnuity of progress.
People should form a section of the parties they support where ever they and contribute actively. In this way, we would not have the time to blame Mr A or Mrs X. Although, we must always be critical, examine and rectify our own mistakes.
All of us have been commiting multiple errors in our lives just like Darboe and Halifa. So let us use more humility and be steadfast in our collective endeavour.
Please BornAfrican. Concentrate of the positive aspect of the struggle and not Darboe. I don't mean that you cannot be critical but only if it could serve to struggle.
If their should any blame in the way you put it (I don't think you mean that he was personally involved but rather the fact that his dessertion from NADD have played a role - correct me if i have misinterpreted your statement), I think we should blame ourselves collectively come October 2006 and the results become favourable to Jammeh. Before then, we cannot aford to be fatalists and accept defeat.
Trust in yourselve and the consciousness campaign. Then success is yours. not Jammeh. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 20:19:43
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By the way, if "..... NADDs alliance was a peoples power....." then this posting tells me that that that power lies in Ousainou. This is because his departure has brought hopelessness to evryone to the extent that there was a coup in the offing. Are we not playing into the hands of Darboe by giving him more credit.
Certainly Halifa has lost elections many times and yet we did not see its effcet translated into a coup so quickly as this one. May be we need to realise the facts on the ground and join UDP for a democractic change because power really resides in Ousainou's party whether you like the man or not. Atleast he is not calling for a coup as Ndure Cham has. If i were to choose between the two, i will vote darboe. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 20:20:57
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Thanks kondorong.
IN A DEMOCRACY, POWER IS DERIVED FROM AND THROUGH THE PEOPLE.
I would add.
IN A DEMOCRACY, POWER IS DERIVED FROM AND THROUGH THE PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY.[/ |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 20:33:14
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Biraggo
I think your this posting really resonates with me. i do not believe in political giants becasue by becoming so, they end up corrupting and mystifying themselves. There is this danger in Halifa being made one. I have said it here that i have no sympathy for those whold hold public office. They must be subjected to scrutiny at all times. It does not matter who. Ablie Wade was hailed just like halifa and now Senegalese are fed-up with him and the tides are changing. When you over expect, you must be ready for a shock of your life. Take each of them by face value and put them on the spot. TRUST NO POLITICIAN WITH YOUR RIGHTS. THAT IS THE GAME OUT THERE FOR THOSE TRUE DEMOCRATS. EVEN ABRAHAM LINCOLN SUSPENDED THE HEBEAS CORPUS IN THE LAND OF THE FREE.
We have to blame our selves if Yaya wins at the next elections and not Ousainou. He has only one vote just like you and if we are our own masters then we can muster change. We should stop creating myths among ourselves thinking they will be Moses coming to liberate us from the Pharoah.
Every human being is selfish and that is why scrutiny is necessary and we have be commanders of our own destinies. Even Halifa should be seen as an option but not an end in itself. having halifa at state house guarantees nothing. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
Edited by - kondorong on 17 Apr 2006 20:36:27 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 01:22:51
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| Thanks Kondorong, your head is cracking and that's why good articles are flowing from you. Keep on working hard bro. and crack your brain further! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 01:42:49
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| You just reminded me Kons that its' all about pragmatism and not intellectualism to form opinions. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 01:47:38
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I like the spirit of the bantaba and there are very bright and honest Gambians contributing to the topics. I must say that i have learnt more here. It is a resource for me and it has helped me shape some of my previous belives. Good job to everyone out there.
I hope we can maintain the same spirit not only in cyber space but in the real world. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 19:30:49
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"May be we need to realise the facts on the ground and join UDP for a democractic change because power really resides in Ousainou's party whether you like the man or not."
Kondorong,
I may agree with you interms of the sruggle for democracy but I don't believe you are right with the above assertion. Although it is your democratic right to use such a statement to propagate for the UDP/NRP Alliance and Darboe but i just want to tell you that the facts on the ground express the contrary. There are more people joining NADD than the UDP/NRP Alliance for the simple fact that, many feel that they have more voice as souvereign citizens in the NADD camp as practice have shown.
You shall see in the coming two months, many structures are being erected on the ground by people many of whom have been members of the contituent parties of NADD but beacuse they believe in the NADD MOU.
The UDP/NRP Alliance is still strong but it is not increasing in adherants. Their are many divisions caused by the retreat from NADD. Many of the young militants are in a state of limbo and facing trials of blind loyalty or collective progress.
I wish them well but they are having a hard time now.
The fact that they never uttered a word to defend their colleagues, My M C Cham and Mariam Denton does not go well for them either. |
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