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Jangjang
Austria
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 Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 21:08:19
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| Kayjatta, DO you beleive Jammeh will give up power when NADD wins peacefully? Is mass demonstration not part of democracy? Is it not time for the opposition to put their house in order and find alternate means democratically to remove Jammeh when we all know NADD has no chance to remove Jammeh through elections.The IEC is selected by Jammeh; People are in total fear; The media is totally controlled by Jammeh; The Opposition cannot conduct their campaigns properly in this present climate of fear, torture, murder and intimidation. The journalist are all living in fear of their own lives. Has any change been made since the signing of the MOU up to date? What hope is there for a democratic change through election.Tell me! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 23:15:32
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| I believe that a lot has been exposed through this topic. I don't want to make no further comments but would advise the public to gather enough material and serialise the relevant facts. Make prints and file for further references especially the list of names alledged to have been murdered or assasinated pending judgement. |
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amsboye
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 19:23:55
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Bamba after i read these i wondered if these people are really humans. But just to ask you if i could foward this to the Gambia fo other Gambian folks to have access to?
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Originally posted by jambo
good morning, that was a powerful piece of information you gave.
It throws light on certain subjects.
Let Gambia take note, pass on the word. STAND UP
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 20:12:52
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| amsboye, ofcourse feel free to spread the piece as widely u possibly can. No patent over the piece at all. In fact spreading it is the essence. Perpetrators of such henious brutalities should never be spared. Go ahead. |
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rah
117 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 21:34:21
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Hej Bamba,
Counter-Strike Source is an Internet Multiplayer Game where one runs around shooting & killing each other. lukily, some are (not all) cyber characters with some programmed AI (artificial inteligence). It's better than the real thing. yeh,rah |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 22:41:42
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Janjang:
You have raised some very important questions here:
I have to say that Jammeh has no choice but to give up power if the opposition wins this election.If he decides not to , he would not be able to resist internal and external pressure that might be applied.
But our job is to get the opposition win and i think there is a good chance of this based on the results of the last election.
If Jammeh loses and refused to step down , then this is the time to mobilize all forces , internal(Mass demonstrations)and external (economic and military sanctions , travel ban)to force him out.
Mass demonstration is part of democracy. You will remember this tactic was used by Ghandi, Mandela, Dr. King , and recently in Ukraine effectively.It is legitimate.
What i am personally against is another military coup and an armed struggle to change the government.The result of another coup or an armed conflict will take our country several steps back in our democratic process.
Let us not entertain the false believe that the military will stage a coup and hand over power to civilians. It is not likely to happen. There are only few rare occassions when it happened in Africa, by Gen. A. S. Abubacarr of Nigeria and Tumani touray of Mali. We have a good platform to push for democratic change in the Gambia.Jammeh's control of the IEC and the media as you said, could be addressed politically.Let us choose politics over violence; politics works , violence does not work.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 01:58:46
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| Its my own view that there is no strong opposition to win elections against Jammeh or APRC as they are not united and properly organised. They lacked the resources and political strategy that is feasible to win any elections to result in the demise of Jammeh. We all know they are not organised and APRC have been developing themselves with a good network to mobilise mass suupport because they dominate Gambian politics. The last general elections Gambians were ready for a change for the better but disintegration between Daboe's UDP, Hamat's NRP, Seedia's PDOIS and Dibba's NCP gave Jammeh victory. To make matters worst Dibba and NCP made alliance with Jammeh as they knew Darboe's UDP was gaining ground. The forthcoming elections is more gloomy than the previous one and the opposition have more difficult un-finished business and issues to address. They are totally dis-oriented about the political realities of average gambians being ignorant about what democracy meant to them. Darboe and Hamat have lost popularity and NADD, even if its' properly constituted and with a dynamic leader, is not popular and certain veteran politicians are not trusted. Average Gambian's are not very sensitive to the prevailing political climate as the cultural order of Chiefdoms, Alkaloship, and even some religious leaders including Imam are supposed to favour the ruling party at all times. They are the laison tto the grassroots and they are easy to corrupt by splashing money from the coffers during political campaings. That's just some examples of crude Gambian way of life and even education is not helping development. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 02:36:36
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| Brothers and sisters I would appeal for us to conclude this topic and subscribe another one to deal with Gambian politics proper. These confessions were made and timely to remind us of the ruling junta's astrocities and exposed some of their crimes against humanity to the whole world in this tiny nation. We have been inform and don't need anything to dampen our conscience. We tend to confuse the objective of this topic with other broad issues; by deviating and proposing elections to remedy the situation in isolation without considering what is feasible and not feasible at present in the Gambia. Let's move forward for further debates and relevant topics leaving this topic and using it to gather facts and background information only. Thanks for your attention. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 02:47:09
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Kobo:
Halifa's speech just posted to this site about the coup speaks for all of us. There is no room for condoning a military coup or change of government by violence in the Gambia.
You might wanna refer to that speech.It is a great speech and it absolutely resonates with me. That is the principle all democratically minded people should stand for.
With Halifa's speech I rest my case. It just made my day.
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 05:03:35
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| Action speaks loader than words,yaya should be push out either by the pen or by the sword.gambia is on the edge of breaking point if u know what i mean. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 06:05:12
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Kobo:
Halifa's speech just posted to this site about the coup speaks for all of us. There is no room for condoning a military coup or change of government by violence in the Gambia.
You might wanna refer to that speech.It is a great speech and it absolutely resonates with me. That is the principle all democratically minded people should stand for.
With Halifa's speech I rest my case. It just made my day.
Thanks.
Kayiata I extracted that speech and posted it and I reserve my opinion for doing it. I would not have made any further comments through this topic but in your attempts to implicate me I am left with no option but to discredit your efforts. This Bantaba is an open forum to accomodate all opinions especially in our political subjects. The debate is very wide open to subscribe any option, means, solutions or alternatives to that is relevant to the subject matter or topic. I repeat again this topic is about a confession to remind us of Nov 11 so called coup that was made at the time of the recent foiled attemted coup. There has been another topic about justification or not on the recent foiled coup. Opinions have been expressed already and if you are interested you can review that topic. History repeats itself and this world is all about revolution to change for the better or worst. You are one of those types always playing double stsndards and using others as scapegoats or hypocrites. What do you expect if there is anarchy and a dictator in a state?
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 06:54:21
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| Kayiata I forgot to mention that you are pretending that you have gathered more information from Halifa's statements as reported. My advise to you is to read it over and over again and you will know that Halifa's classic speeches dicredited Jammeh and his government as illegally existing. Do your homework properly. At this citical stage if we were together in Gambia , you would have followed the actions of what Judas did to Jeseus by handing him over to the Jews as we mark easter. You are the ones encouraging arbitary arrests and detentions by pointing fingers as the wollof saying "Deew sangam mor ko fi waah hon". Happy easter! |
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 22:26:09
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No one is condoning a coup. The simple fact is yaya is preparing the ground for such to take place. Before going any further, I wish to reiterate my position that I still do not believe that there was an attempted coup. I believe that all is made up.
However, yaya's behaviour and attitute towards our democratic process will only point towards the possiblity of such drastic actions to take place in other to get rid of him. This government is a military government and it is very likely that yaya will be assasinated some day unless he changes his strategy.
He has to note that he cannot terrorise the whole of the country into submission. Someone will take the ultimate decision of going for him.
Can you guys remember the fieldforce personnel that was gunned down in the Bakau camp ages ago? I am no advocate of violence but all the signals points towards that direction. The very people he is maiming and killing have got relatives in the army who have access to deadly weopons like him and will turn against him eventually. Just wait and see.
Nothing in Halifa's speach supports what jammeh is doing currently. He condemned both the attempt for a military coup and the alleged detention without trial and the torturing taking place. Halifa and yaya are two very different individuals upholding different democratic values. Halifa is better than yaya in every sense of the word. They are not even likes to be compared with. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 23:50:29
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All the opposition need to be united. In fighting has no purpose, unless you want the status quo to continue.
I have seen the living standards of ordinary Gambians get more difficult over the last 12 months. Partly due to inflation on essentials such as rice and partly due to arrests without reason.
No one who loves The Gambia would want a coup. We want to see a really democratic election. But if this doesn't happen and no change takes place it is easy to see how discontent could lead to a successful coup. But if that happens, what would happen next?
I am considering booking travel for November 2006. Do you think Gambia will be a safe place to travel to after the elections?
I really hope so. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 04:47:50
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| As far as evil dr yaya is in power gambia is not safe and he will forcefully win this election,can you imagin yaya in power for another 5years.can no one see what is happening as he is KILLING our own brothers.N0 MORE YAYA WE LOVE GAMBIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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