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kayjatta
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 Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 07:59:43
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Originally posted by lurker
sarcasm, kay?
i just made an observation. no more. no less.
You are absolutely entitled to it, but it is obvious that your reference to Malcolm X's statement is distasteful and out of context.Your question about 'what we, the "good people" (your words) of the Gambia will do if it were another country' is utter cynicism and ignorantly assumes that we are not doing anything about whatever ill you have observed in the Gambia. I was wondering where you have been LURKing around all this time. If you have been reading the posts on Bantaba and elsewhere you would have known for yourself what we and others are doing to correct the wrongs in the Gambia.
I do not even see the comparison between Mandela and Jammeh, unless you intend to ridicule Nelson Mandela... |
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lurker
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 09:15:00
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oh, shame. you have UTTERLY unheard what i was saying. do i really have to explain it again?
well, just for you, i will try. i made no reference to malcolm x statement.it was supposed to be "out of context".
i made reference to an english phrase "chickens coming home to roost" - which had apparently caused furore in usa when used recently. i made no comparison with that usage to the one i meant. i used it as analogy - which i have already explained clearly - to things becoming predictably bad in gambia - i.e. what is sowed shall be reaped, chickens coming home to roostand other similars.. these are the same kind of metaphors. your malcolm x metaphor is its usage for another time and another place and another example. nothing to do with my usage, pal.
i did not ask what you good people would do about it. i asked what would be the response of you good people if you saw the kind of pattern in gambia happening elsewhere. this could be verbal, political or physical. your choice.
there was no copmparison with mandela- THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! you totally missed the sarcasm.
it is your stupid president who goes around trying to play the statesman - a la Mandela - and fails miserably. it is he who thinks he is some kind of west african powerplayer. NOt me!
Kay, i have read nearly all the posts over many years. You are hothead, but an intelligent person.
Please, before you engage me, read my text and try to understand. You have entirely missed my slant.
have a better day today
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kayjatta
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 10:14:15
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| Who used that phrase (chickens coming home to roost) recently in the U.S. ? |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 14:00:24
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| Rev. Jeremiah Wright! What do I get for getting the correct answer...lol! The irony is that chickens all over the world are coming home to roost. Frankly, I find it rather baffling to pinpoint as to what point Lurker is trying to make. The fact is that Jammeh's behaviour is no way different than Presidents and Leaders around the world. They all think they are demigods who are entitled to what they want to do and who has a different opinion can jump off the cliff. Just look around and in your own country (where ever that is) and see the abuse of power your leaders are engaging in on a daily basis. Jammeh's behaviour is tailored to fit the psyche of his people and so does every other demigod. While some leaders use intimidation, others use more subtle means like fear mongering to control their people. In short, there is so much injustice going on around the world that no nation is immuned to tyranny. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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jambo
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 14:18:02
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| i agree with mansasulu, look at tony blair, he definatel did not want to leave, maggie thatcher was marched out, other european countries have their own ministers who thinkthey have a job for life. |
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lurker
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 15:32:06
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all good points, but they did not throw herbs and a koran at their sick, poor, and beleagured population and shout about devils being loosed.there is a difference between lunacy and tyranny.they did not start running minister's department cos they thought they could personally do it better.they did not authorise an ill-thought out readjustment of the currency for the heck of it.
this is all tinpot lunacy.
unfortunatley, his predictable descent into chaos means that gambia will follow suit.
that is where the chickens come home to roost in this context, mansasulu - and that was my observation in a nutshell. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 20:09:14
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| I bet you do not have "chickens" where ever you are, or may be they have been "roosting" for so long you can never notice them. Noone, (at least the sensible ones) is condoning what Jammeh is doing. My point is, this is the effective way he can manipulate his people. The man is not crazy, he is mere playing to his strengths and at the same time against the weaknesses of his people, just like other leaders around the world are manipulating their people by bombarding them with ficticous,and souped up intelligence to continue to perpetuated injustice around the world. The chickens in these countries are even roosting the loudest! I am surprise you cannot hear them. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 06:43:27
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Thanks Mansasulu for that post. The phrase (the chickens have come home to roost) has a historical connotation (meaning), it has racial undertones, which I have no doubt Lurker is completely ignorant of.The reason there is furor over Rev. Wright's use of it is testimony of its racial and historical content. But what is even more distasteful is Lurker's view that Jammeh, a world-class tyrant is a "West African self-proclaimed Mandela style statesman...". This is not only a subtle disrespect of Mandela, a noble statesman and hero but also a ridicule of his life-long achievement of ending apatheid and establishing a free South Africa.If Jammeh were "Mandela style..." I would not sit here criticizing him, would I?
This issue reminds of Lurker's ill-conceived generalization of the Kenyan election conflict sometime ago as an across the board tribal conflict in Africa, which I rebutted...
And he asked, what would "...be the response of the GOOD PEOPLE of the Gambia if this were another country? |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 07:03:17
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Please Kay, Lurker is NOT saying that Mr Jammeh is like Mr Mandela. He is telling us that Mr Jammeh thinks himself to be in the same range as Mr Mandela is (self-proclaimed, i.e. proclaimed by Mr Jammeh).
I always thought that the proverb was 'Curses come home to roost'= take effect upon the one who utters them. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 07:56:45
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| Thanks Anna... |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 08:59:06
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you know Kay, i cannot be bothered to spar with you as you misinterpret me and/or just plain do not get what i say. anna twigged straight away. it is jammeh who thinks he is some kind of statesman, like a kind of mandela, not me. pay attention. this has been explained to you several times. furhter, regarding kenya, i asked if tribalism was outdated and borught up the kenyan tribal fighting as an example of why maybe it that is food for thought. you are twister of words and meanings.
these points have been explained to you many times in this thread and you still misinterpret.
what is the point in responding to you when you hear nothing? |
Edited by - lurker on 27 Mar 2008 09:00:33 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 09:12:16
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| I can take your word for it... |
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AbeCham
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 11:08:28
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| I really feel for you Lurk. You made a brilliant observation about the state of affairs in The Gambia and the maturity and accuracy of your piece is accademic. But some people are just too slow and narrow minded and am humbled by your patience with which you dealth with it.I believe your METARPHOR accurately sums up the Gambia state of affairs. the only problem is the understanding of the receipient |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 12:17:01
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Is it not that Every leader is ruling according their system?.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2008 : 07:49:23
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Lurk, while I thank you for your assurance that you did not mean what I interpretted your statements to be, and notwithstanding my statement that I can take your words for it;
Jammeh has never at any time, either in the present or in history,"...proclaimed Mandela style...". If Jammeh has ever proclaimed anything at all, it would be a Gaddaffi-style statemanship. Jammeh's political and philosophical beliefs (if he has any) as well as his practices of governance are more akin to Libya's Col. Gaddaffi than anyone else. Jammeh's early public speeches are full of kind remarks about the Libyan leader, whose political model he has attempted to grow in the Gambia.
I will be very grateful if Lurker or any of his surrogates can enlighten me where, either by statements or deeds that Jammeh proclaimed "Mandela-style"... |
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