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brikama
USA
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 Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 23:58:30
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Thanks Madiba for your briliant comments. Santanfara does not know that most PDOIS supporters are not supporters of personalities, as he implied in his last post. We subscribe to a course that was initiated by Halifa and others. The course is to bring prosperity to all Gambians irrespective of any difference. This is a struggle that will hopefully last longer than Halifa and many supporters. As dbaldeh insightfully mentioned, we are interested in people critisizing the policies and programs of PDOIS so they could be adjusted to suit the situation on the ground. Lets have a debate about the future of our home land.
I hope Santanfara would see the light and stop misrepresenting other people based on his lack of reason. Open your eyes and see the world. We will not tolerate anyone, even Santanfara, to misrepresent anyone here. Tell me what is wrong with PDOIS' policies. Thats what we need, but we will not allow you to slander against people who have given up their lives for the benefit of the Gambia. And you come along, from nowhere, trying to make fun of them. So hold your horse.
Brikama
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Santanfara
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Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 00:34:08
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dbaldeh, i believe you are being too harsh with that comments of yours. has pdois conducted any survey to know why gambians refuse to vote them into political office for this long? you see blaming me or any one with cheap shots wouldn't change any thing. my believe is, many more people are sacrificing their time and energy to get voted into office in difference ways. the pdois way or any other way. politics is politics. you may elevate halifa to whatever standard that is your choice .for me ,he is a politicain and a sociologist period. i respect him for his personal sacriffice but in all honesty ,i haven't accrue any value from him or any other pdois stalwart politically. the ball is in the court of the pdois strategist .some of you folks are taking our politics in a rather bizare direction. i have no time to measure my iq against halifa or any great pdois messenger . you guys need to calm dowm and talk with the people. talking at the people will never work. you all seems to be littling folks, that is why the message is bouncing off. be steady and remember that the must important message has a way of desimisating. the mandinka saying '' kumo ko muyetinya ako unfonya lemu''. ''when a speech was asked what spoiled you,it said the way i was said''.
i have no issue with halifa's personality ,i know pretty little about him. i am talking here about pdois .i only mention the halifa book launch to find out details about the book. but like you guys, i don't have any problem when some one misunderstoon me. the best i can do is explain . i made a percieve comment which typically iritate the pdois folks, that is very expected. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 00:48:44
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| now you open your eyes brikama. i wanted to conduct a study of the pdois economic policies for the gambia. isn't that enough tool to know what the party has instore for the gambia? instead of taking me on that ,what did you guys rather want to discuss? try to tell me that i am making pdois loose supporters. what kind of comments is that? that was why i stated that ,i never made any comment during the nadd formation untill after it fall apart. yet you brikama instead twist that issue, you try to explain my statement otherwise. i am not that kind of a debater. i stand my grounds. i will conduct a study of pdois economic policies for the gambia ,and compared it with the gambias fiscal and economic situation. i will then conclude as to wether the pdois's wishes for the gambia hold water .that will be my individual efforts. the pdois head office will be contacted for all relevant information .i know some key players personally within pdois. if you see any thing wrong with what i am aiming to do pleaase feel free to call my attention. but please, see politics as politics, when you want to make it a life and death situation, then you will end up in the tiny pdois circle. reason with gambians without the usual arrogance, then they will listen to you and others. don't give yourselves high standards by leaving the rest of the gambian masses behind. the rethotic must include the people. pdois has many gambian intellectuals among their ranks, but that isn't enough endorsement to make the party attractive and electable. jokes aside, keep being serious. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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mansasulu
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Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 04:35:45
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I have never participated actively in Gambian politics, a la voting or membership to any particular party. However, I must say that the only political party with a manifested interest of the Gambian people is PDOIS. I know Halifa Sallah, Sedia Jatta, and Sam Sarr (his son was a very good friend of mine) very well. These are men whose lives were spent caring about issues that are good for their people. In short, they are patriotic and the kinds of people who know what they are talking about.
The problem with gambian politics is that it pays too much emphasis on patronizing constituents and not telling them the hard truth and facts. If you critically look at the model approach of PDOIS, we realise that they are not out to tell people what they want to hear, but instead what the reality is. I do not believe it is a case of PDOIS talking at people, rather they have a mission and obligation to the Gambia people to which history will judge them to have fulfilled.
When the people of Serekeunda Central voted Halifa Sallah, I knew we have truely lost the plot as far as a representative democracy goes. I mean who would not want a representative who can truely represent you?
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 04:50:00
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Uncle Santa, I do not meant to be too harsh on you or anyone. I apologize if I come across too harsh. It is not my personality. I might have been too serious which measures upto the situation of our people.
I accept your challenge to study the PDOIS economic strategies and report back to this group.
Let me give you some hints if I may. PDOIS goes back to basis for any society to handle their own economic situation which measures to their resources both human and natural.
PDOIS stands for our little Gambia to commercialize our agricultural system so we can produce our own food. They advocate for us to nationalize our fishing industry and make best use of the fish we have in our waters. We can empower our people to own fishing vessels where they will employ our own citizens first, create processing factors to produce our own foods.
Just a little history, fishing vessels come from all over Europe to fish in territorial waters and guess what? when they are caught they are fined millions of Dalasis. Where does this money go? you tell me.
How about the verse array of fertile land we have for agriculture. We can certainly produce our own rice, cassava, maize, millet, cooscos, groundnut. Can't we? Why do our people have to rely on subsistence farming?
What about leadership free from corruption? Greed for worldly wealth and luxury ambitions? What if we have leaders who see themselves as servants and not masters? What if we have leaders who respect human rights and dignity of every citizen, press freedom, and down right earth democracy by putting power in the hands of the people?
I just wanted to hint you a little bit. So please study PDOIS economic and political manifesto and report back my friend. This is not argueing about what Jawara and others said won't work for us. This is about putting what we have to work for us. I will catch you later when you finish your project... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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brikama
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 05:04:43
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Santanfara,
Your initiative of studying PDOIS' economic strategy for the Gambia is very good and I will support you 100% in that endeavor. I am sure the party will happily provide you all the necessary documentation to conduct your research.
Please, share your methodology, findings and conclusions with us so we would be enlightened. Maybe, your findings would tricker policy changes for the betterment of PDOSI. Be rest assured that I am behind you in that task.
Mansasulu, thanks for your comments. You hit the nail on the head. "Too much emphasis on patronizing constituents and not telling the truth and facts," caused the disintegration of NADD and subsequent reelection of Jammeh in 2006.
Thanks
Brikama
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brikama
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 06:23:11
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Amie Sillah's response to the Daily Observer editorial:
"I have my own benchmarks to support a government. I am a democrat. I am committed to good governance; the rule of law; strong institutions for check and balances; a free and responsible press; transparency, accountability and probity; gender and social justice. I am a woman with a difference and I am diverse. I criticise constructively. I don't hate anybody. I am committed to women's solidarity. But I also recognize our differences, diversities and specificities. Together with my husband and four other friends we were detained for 7 months in the first republic. At that time I was nursing a 10 month old baby. There was no case to answer but we were dismissed from our jobs. Our house was ransacked by those who were supposed to guards our property. When we came out we refused to pursue the case. Instead, we made a clean start. We started a newspaper and our school.
That is principle. But those who don't have it cannot understand in. I am an activist not for gain. I have a mission. I want to leave a legacy. It is not how long you live but how you live that matters. Even if the majority walks with their heads I will continue to walk with my feet. Nothing is static. In the end the truth shall prevail. I would rather die with my head held high up. I don't want to torment my conscience."
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 08:56:13
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i am very pleased with the approach both brother dbaldeh and brikama have adopted in explaining some of the strategies of the pdois. infact ,the first news paper to receieve any of my findings wil be gainako. that is the way i was looking at things.
mansasulu has also touched on improtant issues, that is the methodology which will tell gambian voters that ,the pdois is ready for the challenge. i do not see the pdois has a party existing just because quiet a lot of gambian voters don't rationalise their democratic choices.
i believe that the pdois can take a little leaf from brother barak obama's strategy, which is, make voters emotional in making there choices. if we want to leave people to think hard, it will take long before they vote in the right people with right minds.
i am not a suporter of fanfare and jubilational politics, but if the message can pass on in the midst of claping and a bit of noise let it be. at the moment ,the situataion is desprate. pdois is a genuine party ,borrowing some propaganda startegies from the master will not harm them. i mean ,we now have many campaign managers with intelligent tools and methods to unleash when the important message is not getting through. you guyS will be surprise to learn that ,many american And british propaganda secretaries are using the methods of goebel ,hitlers former propaganda secretary, with a bit of changes. it works. i have a book call selling politics ,which has useful researches on how to wooo voters and how to make them understand uncomfortable message. i wish pdois well. may be on the course of my study ,i may come to support them ,who knows. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2008 : 10:41:28
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| brikama, lady sillah was provoked by the observer editor, it is interesting that ,the daily observer is openly supporting the APRC party. when karamba wrote repeatedly about the jammeh machinery ,the daily observer is at the heart of things. ''A TWO PERCENT NO HOPERS'' IS AN EXTREME COMMENT. it is good that madam sillah distance herself from the ediotrs wild dream. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 22:38:56
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Treatise for Founding a Federation of
African Republics
By Halifa Sallah
Can anybody help me understand the meaning of the above.........
"Let those who know tell us who don´t know".
Thanks for your time |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2008 : 09:43:57
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| janko, that is a very good observation. i hope some here will consult halifa to explain the meaning of the above question. it may be explained in the book,who knows. i was going through kuwame's book, africa must unite. it is an interesting book with lots of economic undertone to it. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 16:22:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Treatise for Founding a Federation of
African Republics
By Halifa Sallah
Can anybody help me understand the meaning of the above.........
"Let those who know tell us who don´t know".
Thanks for your time
Please refer back to Bantaba topic: Interview With Halifa Sallah On the Launching of his book, The Way forward for Gambian Politics for INFORMTION, ENQUIRY, RESEARCH, CRITICISM & ANY FEEDBACK under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5459
Treatise for Founding a Federation of
African Republics
By Halifa Sallah
Price D200
Available at People’s Centre
Tel: (+220)4373138, (+220)9918216, (+220)7001270
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 17:27:19
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Thanks, it is a good start.
“/---/ whether my proposals for a Federation of African States and the nature of the union government are realistic or not.
The book is proposing direct election of members of the Pan African Parliament and its endorsement with legislative and other enhanced powers. These proposals require review.
The book deals with the African Court of Justice and proposes an extension in the jurisdiction of the African Court on Human and Peoples’ Rights to include matters pertaining to the trial of cases pertaining to war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity.
The book calls for a robust food and agro-industrial base for the continent which will pioneer the drive for the supply of all food in African supermarkets, in particular, and that which is consumed by the people at large to originate from the continent.
The book calls for Continental private sector and public sector initiatives and private/public partnerships supported by a robust African Central Bank capable of intervening like other banks in developed countries to stabilize currencies and interest rates, stimulate demand and promote financial integration and monetary Union; robust African Monetary Fund which will stimulate the movement of goods and services in the continent and thus promote economic integration; a robust investment bank which shall be able to launch its own financial facility to support continental enterprises to promote raw material production, manufacturing and finally machine building so that Africa can trade without being at a disadvantage in the world.
The book made proposals on how to put an end to unfair trade.
The book has identified civil society segments as major partners in promoting civic awareness and enhancing the capacity of the African People to take part in discussions and decisions which affect their very lives./---/”
The above is what I could get from the reference you gave.
You mean it explains the title of the book…...is it.
I´ll buy the book.
Would you kindly give us a little more flesh on the bone? It could enhance buyer interest…..don’t you think.
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 07:07:23
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Uncle Janko,
Thanks for the questions. I have just purchased the book and reading it closely. Due to lack of time it might take me a while to go through the who book.
It is however, important for people who read the book to bring questions forward and have Halifa or anyone who understands the true content of the book to digest it further.
However, the question you mentioned above:
"Treatise for Founding a Federation of
African Republics"
By Halifa Sallah
My first impression by reading the title gives me a grip of what the major theme of the book may be without having to read the whole book. By mentioning treates for Founding an African federation Halifa is expressing his opinions in layeman's terms Policies and conditions of agreement needed to establish a Federation of African States.
Obviously the political complexities and level of poverty of African States presents the biggest challenge for any generation to realize the dream of United Africa. One need to understand the different positions of the countries, their political maturity and willingness of their leadership to rally their people behind the idea of Uniting our continent under a federation of African States.
Halifa attempted to educate people on what institutions need to be strongly established before even we engage in trying to put the agenda of United Africa on the table. Many past and present African leaders has called for United Africa. But they don't realize what it will take to succeed in this endeavor.
Base on those principles or strategic agreements which will bind all parties to the agreement is what Halifa has always try to put in peoples' minds. This has been a difficult process for the Pan African Parliament, the African Union and other sub regional treaties establishing others like the Ecowas.
This is my first understanding of what Halifa's book might be all about. I could be wrong so people should read it and draw their own conclusions and understanding of the book.
Am I wrong????
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 07:14:54
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Mawdo Demba,
so far I am reading the same from it.
Please help us with a review once done, i am running a snail's speed with mine.
Congrats to Hon. Sallah for his noble accomplishment of adding to his resume, a book of this magnitude. I am truly impressed. The book adds to his legacy , something he will be remembered for by a future generation, who will be hungry for Halifa Sallah. I recommend the book to all.
Hon. Sallah is very honest person and a great pan-africanist indeed.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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