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lurker
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 Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 14:33:54
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good afternoon and apologies for the mild expletive in the title.
folks, if i have to wake up one more time and read about feral youths murdering children with knives, shooting each other with guns, or about dads getting their heads kicked in for asking for his son's football back, i am going to throw up.
overpaid, thick footballers vomiting over some slag who he is having sex with 5 minutes after meeting, world record teenage pregnancy rates and STD in teenager levels.
illiteracy and innumeracy in adulthood.
infatuation and obsession with wothless celebrities.
whole rafts of garbage "reality" programmes which enhance the image of thick pondscum being paid for being thick pondscum.
garbage on the streets, corrupt politicians , hypertaxation at all levels.
streets that are unsafe to walk on at night - or day - buses that never come or don't work when a drop of rain hits the pavement. traffic which could make you commit hara-kiri on the way to work.
prices which make you physically ill.
a health service which leaves you more likely to get sick in hospital than you were outside of it.
this whole country and culture is putrid and necrotic.
no wonder 384000 or so leave every year - and are replaced by 620000 others.
schooling, parenting, alcohol, drugs, media, respect, single parent familys, total loss of responsibility, impotent police forces, namby-pamby politicians and judges. fearless, wild animal children.
IT IS FRIGHTENING! and yes, i would leave if i could afford it. like tomorrow.
my mrs used to laugh when i said "nothing works" in the gambia.
after 7 yrs here, she now laughs at me when she says "nothing works" in the uk - and she is right.
hours on phones waiting for push-buttons to get you to human.utility services which never ever get things right and take no responsibility for their duty to their customers.
hours upon hours chasing under-qualified tossers on phone lines to get them to undo their own mistakes cos they never listened or can't spell.
the difference is, mrs lurker says, that in gambia, you get nothing cos you pay nothing.
here you get nothing - but you pay through the nose, before she opens the sun to read about the next knifing or tart spilling the beans about the size of her footballers winkle.
this rot is so entrenched that i think it cannot be reversed, let alone cured.it can and will get worse.
what is to be done???????????
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 15:00:51
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| Like all things we do as human beings some will come out like the way they are now. In Africa;Gambia precisely they say no problem even if you have a million problem facing you.Don't worry be happy because you may certainly not be able to do anything about your worries ,may be you can count to ten before blowing off your top with anger. Cool down mighty man we are all in one way or the other facing the foibles of humankind ; the difference in geographical locations would perhaps dictate the severity of any such hassles but then hassles they are for those who suffer them. For you in UK its your peculiar problem whereas for others elsewhere it is something else that is the proof of living, problems i mean, those who have died would not have any such bothers; peace be on to them |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 15:11:42
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wisdom in your words, friend. but it does appear more hopeless here than some other places - which is particularly worrying if you have a 3 yr old and another one due.
all societies have problems-this one just seems to exaggerate the existing ones and invent new ones.is there a fundamental flaw in british society and mindset? there are , presumably, many flaws. some talk of national service, capital punishment. some of banning alcohol, legalising drugs. personally, i think if your family life is rubbish from day one, you are likely to be rubbish. time to fix families - but how? |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 15:43:17
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Lurker,in your first posting you mention a lot of things that the AVERAGE UK resident would agree with,by average I mean if you work, if you have kids, if you have a car,(because its cheaper than the train and bus and you can use it when YOU want to) if you have a TV ,if you have a house, ,BUT if you are not Average i.e. have nothing at all then ask and the whole apparatus of the state will "help" you,yes you got it, give you everything that you want,no wonder 620000 are coming here.Who pays for all this state "help" of course the Average UK resident.Cynical maybe. True certainly.
You ask "what can be done?" I have the complete answer LEAVE! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 15:49:19
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| and 684 brits leave every day.those who are fed up with this and can afford it. this outpouring of taxpayers funds to those who have never contributed, the crime rate and the taxes are cited as the major reasons for leaving. but , for those of us who can't/won't/do not want to leave, what can be done to try and restore some sanity to this island? |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 16:11:17
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| That is surely a thorny issue raising up families I mean . Your unique situation is such that the society at times dictates what you do with your children either directly or indirectly via the social services schooling and peer influence be it your's or your child's. Invariable you find that some issues get out of your control as you might not be in control of the input but you most try your best to give the child good parental advice and set examples. Children do look up their parents for a lot of guidance and any bad moves could be imitated at some point in their life. Basically you would not get a clear cut way out of any situation but then get on with it by making sure that you avoid giving the kids bad vibes like violent behaviors drinking to excess if you do or telling untruths etc.Some people on the other hand would surprisingly be of violent and unruly dispositions and would raise children who never pick up those attitudes but become paragons of virtue and moral comportment . So all we can do as humans is try our best for our kids as for society wherever one may find oneself the problems keep mounting up,some of our making ;others of vicarious liabilities. I mean by our joint responsibilities as members of the human race . Like I said since we cannot do anything about what societies we live in do we can adapt to the system or just bear the burden;what cannot be helped most be endured brother wish you luck with your expected child and nice ady to you and mrs lurker and baby lurker cheers man |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 16:12:23
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| thanks. |
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toubab1020
12309 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 16:31:27
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| Things may change when NEWBABYLURKER comes on line,lets hope!. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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leokat
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 18:35:17
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Oh dear Lurker :-/
I too have my gripes:
If I have to hear once more on the World Service in the dead of night as I lay unable to sleep about angry youths in Kenya violently by beating, stoning, and burning the men, women and children they once called neighbours - and even friends to death, ostensibly, because they happen to belong to a different tribe… If I hear once more about women in India and Egypt being brutally gang-raped simply because they had the ‘audacity’ to venture out alone in Western clothing or got into a taxi cab un-chaperoned. Impoverished Youths in Guinea-Bissau targeted by South American drug cartels forced into addiction to crack cocaine so that they will, in turn, become drug runners. Girls of 14 sold on the streets of eastern Europe. A girl in Afghanistan forced to sleep with her brothers then told it was her fault. The old left behind in the new ’modern’ India with no means of support, their children too interested in getting a good job and acquiring material possessions to care. Of orphans and disabled people left to rot in Rumanian orphanages and institutions… young football playing West African boys promised a glittering future by dubious talent scouts then taken to Europe (usually Belgium) where they have their dreams shattered and face the choice of either returning home as ‘failures’ or trying to eek out some kind of living as illegal immigrants once their visas run out, the cream of sub-Saharan youth risking their lives in rickety boats and/or crossing the scorching Sahara for a supposed better life in the west…
Young children condemned to a life of sickness, pain and even death for the want of a £2.50 mosquio net, others left blind for want of a simple operation… yet others disabled by measles which it would take only a few pence per child to immunise against… . People living in the slums of Nairobi without sanitation or lighting who have no option but to sh1t into paper bags at night then throw the same into stinking open sewers at daylight… A child in The Gambia found abandoned on the rubbish tip… Millions living on a dollar (50p, about 20dalassi) per day… People in Zimbabwe living with ’real’ hyperinflation…
We don’t get nothing here in the UK lurker. Imperfect as each and every one of the following may be we have a welfare state that was once the envy of the world, we have free education from 4-18, free medical care, a comprehensive (if insufficient) benefit system. we have universal suffrage and (mostly) open and transparent elections. We have libraries, advice centres, and innumerable projects set up to help people with a myriad of issues and problems. Our shops are full of affordable food and clothes (which it should not be forgotten are mainly manufactured by people in the developing world who do not have access to the same standard of living). We are also fortunate enough to be able to travel affordably to most other parts of the word without the need for a visa. We are also fortunate enough to be able migrate practically at will.
I’m no apologist for Western policies or culture. Believe me I see plenty wrong here too. But hey - we live in an imperfect world. Whenever I am feeling overwhelmed by the ills of the world I simply remember that if we each make just a small effort then change IS possible. After all who, amongst us in the West, cannot afford the price of a mosquito net or a child’s inoculation?
By the way lurker I have a couple of personal issues with what you wrote. I am a single parent. So what type of person do you think that makes me? Well I don’t drink, I put my daughter before all else when she was a child. I don’t sleep around. I am a responsible human being.
I’m also the mother of a child with learning difficulties who you would, in all probability, class amongst the ‘illiterate and innumerate in adulthood.’ I‘m not sure what you are implying by that. Some lack of application on her part? Some degree of failure by the UK education system? In my opinion my daughter is all that she is capable of being. Her school did what they could for her. Moreover, they used an inadequate amount of funding in an imaginative way. However life has not always been a bed of roses for my daughter. She experienced bullying at school. She has also always known that if she wants to get anywhere in life then she needs to try at least twice as hard as her contemporaries. Despite this she has not grown up bitter, twisted, or ungrateful. She knows that had she been born in many other parts of the world life might have been a whole lot tougher. So for the past two years my amazing daughter has worked at a job she tried so hard to gain. It is not the type of job many people would choose to do. This job does not pay well. However my daughter has managed to help support the child of a single parent she met in The Gambia and has been bringing home items of clothing she’s bought from her wages each month to take out to the orphanage she visited last time she was in The Gambia.
As for what to be done - Well you know what they say ‘when the going gets tough, the tough get going‘. They don’t simply up and leave!
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lurker
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 19:50:04
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leo. you are not suppoised to take any of that personally.
the illiteracy comment is a comment on the dumbed down educational system, not the people subjected to it.!it is a comment on the authorities who mess with our lives and our kids futures when they make poor decisisions.
The bottom line, and i am fully aware of the miseries in other countries that you quote, is that we are supposed to be "advanced" in infrastructure and development and fiscal management - SO HOW COME WE ARE STILL IN SUCH A BLOODY MESS?
The people in virtually all the countries you listed do not have the luck to be in this country - they are in countries that cannot or will not try to look after their own as well as other countries. so, of course i am a bit hacked off that this country is going down the toilet at a rate of knots. we should be better able to prevent some of the mayhem that we are watching on our island.
and therefore, Leo, i do want to know how we deal with the problems we have here,and not the problems elsewhere. that is another issue entirely.
i did not make generalisms against single mothers or dyslexic people or any such thing. i listed the crumbling facilities, utilities and infrastructure which allows the next generation to be dumbed-down, lose hope and inspiration. I listed alcohol, drugs, the media etc etc as being partly responsible, and yes, absolutley ,i listed the overpaid footballers, reality celebs and whores as the now acceptable/mandatory face of "successful role models" we appear to be letting our kids aspire to be.
don't know why you feel yourslef included in any of the points i made above and nor should you. most of us are decent folk who do the best we can in the prevailing circumstances. it just seems to me that the pondscum are multiplying exponentially and rising to the top and i want to know why and what to do.peace |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 20:02:09
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North Yorkshire is still a nice place to live. 
There are many nice, decent ordinary communities up and down the country....they just dont make the news.
Violent crime is a problem as is lack of respect for adults. An over materialistic society has warped values as far as I am concerned.
I value people and places above things and stuff......I try to ignore adverts trying to pressure you to buy the latest whatver.
In the ecological debate we are asked to recycle..but consuming less in the first place is better.
I TRY to have 2 days a week where I dont spend any money..... Its not always easy. Take food to work, eat at home, dont go shopping. Leave the purse in my bedroom.
I was bought up in an extended family in UK.... My parents, aunties, uncles, grandparents all lived within 10 mins walk of each other and we saw each other at least once a week. EVERY week. I think that grounds you and makes you respect older people.
That family cohesion and respect is lacking..... and the vaccum is filled by other values.......
There are lots of very very decent, kind, nice people in the UK....but the underclass is growing and the problem on the street is big.  |
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jambo
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 20:10:10
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lurker, UK in mess because we have been too understanding and allowed things to go wrong.
take schools for instance, some of yu who are older , will remember a time when you did something wrong you were sent away, a youth was sent to an approved school, but they came out with a skill. they knw right from wrong, NOW EVERYCHILD will tell you you CANT touch me, and you know what they are right.
I grew up in a rough neighbourhood, but it was family led, grandparents were their for the young?. their were standards, no money but respect for your elders.
i blame the government for the nanny state, let children go swimming, give back football/contact sports to the schools. BRING BACK THE SKILLS SCHOOLS, not everychild can be a doctor, plastering, woodwork, tecnical drawing were taught in my old school and people were happy.
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