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toubab1020
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 Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 00:04:59
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Originally posted by gambiabev
But I am not part of their family. I am a stranger. I dont have a duty to them for anything.
I am not saying that you have any duty to anyone, but its THEIR perception of you as someone who has something they don't,ie you are richer than they are. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 00:20:33
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| Inez I must agree with you,sometimes it does appear that some people who visit Bantaba don't want to discuss topics without getting sidtracked into the slavery, politics, tribal, subjects and in so doing change the topic completly from what it started out being,I to have noticed this and get the feeling that one is not welcome but can be tolerated if it means that THEIR point of view can become the subject of any posted topic,I have posted on local subjects in Gambia without any replies whatsoever,I should have thought that local subjects are just the sort of things for discussion but as you say in your posting "T ex the ones bringing up slavery and colonialism or Bush and the West into every issue discussed, how can a white person respond to that? Not all countries in the world deald with that and definitly not people around here on this Bantaba, how long should we feel quilty about the history we didnīt take part of? Or be accused of all the wrong that happens in the world because US citizens made a huge mistake on last election?" |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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inez
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Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 00:44:02
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| Toubab 1020, you got it exactly when you say one is not welcome but can be tolerated...Life would be so much easier if more people tried to build some bridges instead of walls. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 02:54:57
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Inez to build bridges instead of walls is a positive step in the right direction. Just imagine if these bridges could be built across the world it would be a better place to live in. I've always believed that art is a good way of building bridges because it is a form of human expression which transcends borders especially when it is used positively.
I don't believe that white people should feel guilty about slavery. I think its important that African history and culture should be recognized as part of the rich cultural diversity on the planet that all humans inhabit. That slavery should indeed to be acknowledged for what it was a brutal system which killed and displaced millions of people and resources from Africa. These resources both human and physical were pivotal in building up the rich nations of today. Not only were Africans displaced but poor Europeans, and Asians as a result of European State expansion. The white people who manned the slave ships were often kidnapped from their local streets,pubs,prisons etc. Then forcible removed. By acknowledging the past this generation can address some of the root causes of those walls you mentioned by having a more holistic world view and dismantle the myths surrounding racism brick by brick.
So that we can all start to put in motion the bridges needed to replace the class system which racism is an extension of. These international systems are fueled by power and greed. In order, to build a better future for generations to come, by alleviating poverty. It is poverty that is the greatest scourge on the planet and the majority of the world is effected by it. Whether they be in Africa, Asia, The Americas, Australia or Europe. Therefore there is no reason for white people to feel guilty for what their ancestors did but to acknowledge the consequences of those actions and how it impacted on shaping the world we live in today. By knowing the truth about such events this will assist those who are in slavery today to win their freedom and break the cycle from reoccurring again and again. It will also bring about real changes to encourage free and fair trade, Climate change, prevent unnecessary wars to allow people to stay and build an economic future in their own countries instead of becoming economic migrants and refugees. Yes, Inez I agree with you more bridges is what we need.
Peace
Sister Omega
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toubab1020
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Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 11:28:40
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| Sister Omega,you are no doubt a very clever and competent person,the second half of the last posting by INEZ has been answered very eruditly,its unfortunate that you felt unable to respond to her first sentence( "you got it exactly when you say one is not welcome but can be tolerated...")in your reply,what inference may we draw from that? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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inez
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Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 13:40:48
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
...I don't believe that white people should feel guilty about slavery. I think its important that African history and culture should be recognized as part of the rich cultural diversity on the planet that all humans inhabit. That slavery should indeed to be acknowledged for what it was a brutal system which killed and displaced millions of people and resources from Africa. These resources both human and physical were pivotal in building up the rich nations of today... By acknowledging the past this generation can address some of the root causes of those walls you mentioned by having a more holistic world view and dismantle the myths surrounding racism brick by brick.
So that we can all start to put in motion the bridges needed to replace the class system which racism is an extension of. These international systems are fueled by power and greed... Therefore there is no reason for white people to feel guilty for what their ancestors did but to acknowledge the consequences of those actions and how it impacted on shaping the world we live in today. By knowing the truth about such events this will assist those who are in slavery today to win their freedom and break the cycle from reoccurring again and again. It will also bring about real changes to encourage free and fair trade, Climate change, prevent unnecessary wars to allow people to stay and build an economic future in their own countries instead of becoming economic migrants and refugees. Yes, Inez I agree with you more bridges is what we need.
Peace
Sister Omega
So this is the beginning of bantaba bridge Yes Sister Omega, brigdes are needed. |
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inez
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Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 13:43:06
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TOUBAB, I guess we need to be happy about at least being tolerated, maybe when the bridge is built, we will be welcomed.
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Sister Omega,you are no doubt a very clever and competent person,the second half of the last posting by INEZ has been answered very eruditly,its unfortunate that you felt unable to respond to her first sentence( "you got it exactly when you say one is not welcome but can be tolerated...")in your reply,what inference may we draw from that?
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Jan 2008 : 15:02:16
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Originally posted by inez
Maybe not sister omega but they/we/White people can be taken to police station for a day if they/we/White people refuse to pay for a gift that someone sent to their homeadress. Thatīs still not much compared to all suffering Black people have to go through all over the world every day..but yet You know well that sometimes behind a sweet smile and even sweeter voice hides hatery towards white people, no matter how innocent they might be to all awful things that happens today or have happend in past, and there is psychologigal ways of torturing people, (not talking about children here.) T ex the ones bringing up slavery and colonialism or Bush and the West into every issue discussed, how can a white person respond to that? Not all countries in the world deald with that and definitly not people around here on this Bantaba, how long should we feel quilty about the history we didnīt take part of? Or be accused of all the wrong that happens in the world because US citizens made a huge mistake on last election?
inez,
Our diacussions here have nothing to do with what you want to point here. It happens sometimes if the topic has a relation to the past experience with them. I belive we just discuss here but none of us here have a negative feeling , otherwise we would not have headed towards this end and have children. Remember, most of us on the forum have lived arround here and make good livings and contributions towards the development too. My advantage now is that I have a home both in Africa and Europe because of my children.
We are awear of the fact that the people of nowadays are not responsible of the past. Otherwise we would not have been sitting together in the UN and other international institutions side by side together and sometimes have the same demands. Remember, every were in the world you go, there are good and there are bad people. We are all humanbeings, this we have found out. Do not have this feeling at all. I see you as fellow humans thats all. |
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jambo
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Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 10:11:25
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"You know well that sometimes behind a sweet smile and even sweeter voice hides hatery towards white people", this happens when there is a mean spirited adult around. you have to listen to the tone of the adults to know where they are coming from.
As for the slavery issue guilt and blood are on african hands as well as european, make no mistake on that subject
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inez
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Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 19:34:47
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Thanks, I try to keep these words in my mind. What I also wanted to say is that past and the history are important to know but it is more important to live in present and have a positive thoughts about the future, otherwise things wonīt change to anything better.
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Originally posted by Alhassan
[quote My advantage now is that I have a home both in Africa and Europe because of my children.
We are awear of the fact that the pwoplw of nowadays are not responsible of the past. Otherwise we would not have been sitting together in the UN and other international institutions side by side together and sometimes have the same demands. Remember , every were in the world you go, there are good and there are bad people. We are all humanbeings, this we have found out. Do not have this feeling at all. I see you as fellow heuams thats all.
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 14:20:56
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| But sweeping things under ones carpet at times leads to unfortunate contagious effects such as MRSA etc talking about issues and accepting faults even if not ours and finding a way forward could in my view be a better and healthier option.Am I cynical? may be but the affairs of this world especially those that affects us or affected our forebears should be our concern and to solve the tacky ones we most face them squarely and trash them out or the other option would be sweeping them under carpets or locking some in cupboards so to speak.woof woof . |
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 16:33:35
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| KAANIBBA what a good posting I do hope that some posters on Bantaba who suffer from tunnel vision ( and no, it dosn't mean you have to get glasses!) will take note of your words and perhaps think,Does that mean me? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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jambo
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 16:50:46
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kaaniba, you are right, sweeping it under the carpet, does make it go away, some issues have to be dealt with there and then. Do not leave negativity behind. members of the bantaba have done that, only to have wonders and regrets about what might have been. #
For me, I believe let it go, if there is an issue face it, make your peace with the person, if you are wrong right that wrong, if they are wrong, let it go. LIFE IS TOO SHORT. |
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 23:30:23
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| Jambo,what's happening here to Bantaba common sense all round, am I on the right website? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 23:31:49
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| Sister Omega ,you have been quiet for some time,any input from you on this one? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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